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Is The Shroud of Turin A Fake?
« on: October 17, 2003, 08:44:05 AM »
Is the Shroud of Turin the first recorded photograph of the Lord Jesus Christ, or is it a hoax? The last I heard about this, they had determined that it was probably authentic.

Has anyone heard anything new concerning this? Could this be the burial cloth of Christ?

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Re: Is The Shroud of Turin A Fake?
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2003, 07:02:10 PM »
<<<Is the Shroud of Turin the first recorded photograph of the Lord Jesus Christ, or is it a hoax? The last I heard about this, they had determined that it was probably authentic.

Has anyone heard anything new concerning this? Could this be the burial cloth of Christ?>>>
1.No record of the shroud's existence until 1356.Forging relics were never more popular than in the 14th century.
2.The bloodstains have remained red.
3.Signs of artistic modestry at work.Hands extending to cover the genital area.Why is there no navel?
4.The image does not conform to Jewish burial practice.the face would not have been covered.
5.The shroud is made of twill linen,a fabric not yet found in archaeological investigations in Palestine or Egypt from the time of Jesus.

6.Carbon dating  places the origin to the middle ages.

Apart from Fiat what else has Turin got?It is good for business and tourist dollars.
Man's heart is desperately wicked. Jer 17:9. We are a wicked generation. Matt.16:4,and we would worship the piece of cloth,so why would God leave a piece of cloth to us?God is a spirit. John 4:24
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Re: Is The Shroud of Turin A Fake?
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2003, 07:45:06 AM »

just because someone researches something, doesn't mean that they are worshipping it.

http://www.shroud.com/menu.htm

Shroud Research Website

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Re: Is The Shroud of Turin A Fake?
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2003, 07:37:40 PM »
<<<just because someone researches something, doesn't mean that they are worshipping it.>>>
I did not say that you specifically, is worshiping the shroud,and i did not say it is wrong to search out something.You asked whether it was a hoax,and i simply said that it was.We are a wicked generation.We pay money to buy things such as holy water,a piece of wood which is supposedly part of the cross ,earth form Palestine because Jesus walked on it .The list is never ending.What do you think the Vatican is doing with it?
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Re: Is The Shroud of Turin A Fake?
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2003, 05:25:13 AM »
The Shroud of Turin is a fake as far as the burial cloth of Christ. If you read the biblical accounts of how they prepared Christ, he was wrapped in cloth, inconsistent with the Shroud of Turin.

The problem with some people is, they don't really consider the scriptures, it's all archaeology anymore. When will we learn that you can't prove Christ to the unsaved by the physical or historical.

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Re: Is The Shroud of Turin A Fake?
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2003, 10:59:43 AM »
The Shroud of Turin is a fake as far as the burial cloth of Christ. If you read the biblical accounts of how they prepared Christ, he was wrapped in cloth, inconsistent with the Shroud of Turin.


How so? Where's the proof?

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Re: Is The Shroud of Turin A Fake?
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2003, 12:57:38 AM »
<<<How so? Where's the proof?>>>

 "And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go".John 11:44.
We know that Jesus was buried according to Jewish custom ,John19:40 ,and here, we have a typical example.Notice that the face was bound about, separately, by a napkin,which is unlike what the shroud shows,a continous piece of cloth covering everything from the head to the feet. and again in , John 20:7 "And the napkin that was about the head,not lying with the linen clothes,but wrapped together in a piece by itself."
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Re: Is The Shroud of Turin A Fake?
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2003, 08:11:11 AM »
<<<How so? Where's the proof?>>>

 "And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go".John 11:44.
We know that Jesus was buried according to Jewish custom ,John19:40 ,and here, we have a typical example.Notice that the face was bound about, separately, by a napkin,which is unlike what the shroud shows,a continous piece of cloth covering everything from the head to the feet. and again in , John 20:7 "And the napkin that was about the head,not lying with the linen clothes,but wrapped together in a piece by itself."
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Good Point Andreas. Often I never realize these things until someone points them out.

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Re: Is The Shroud of Turin A Fake?
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2010, 02:33:18 AM »
Archeologist Shimon Gibson with his colleagues found the tomb discovery in Jerusalem 2009. The discovery exposed remains of the man who had suffered leprosy and died tuberculosis. The researches records that deceased have lived in 1-50 A.D. (in the time of Jesus) and the tomb was obviously the family tomb of upper class or priest family.

Gibson said that the man had been buried according to manners of the Jews at that time. The manner was that the body wrapped to linen clothes, and the head wrapped with separate face linen. Gibson said that if the person wasn't actually dead and woke up, he could shake and blow off the face linen and shout for help.

Professor Shimon Gibson said that the shroud of Turin doesn't fit together for burial practices in first century Palestine. Gibson said that the shroud of Turin is a single sheet made with a twill weave. According to Gibson the twill weave was known only from the medieval period.

Shimon Gibson's archeological evidence is accord with the testimony of the Bible.  According to the Bible Lazarus and Jesus had been wrapped with linen clothes and the head with the separate napkin.

John 11: And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

John 19:40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.

John 20:
6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

The Bible gives the testimony that the bodies, hands and feet of Lord Jesus and Lazarus wrapped linen clothes and with the separate napkin. In the case of Lazarus Greek text use from the word graveclothes word keiria, which is in plural. This means that Lazarus' body, hands and feet had been wrapped with several linen clothes. In the case of Lazarus the napkin is in Greek text soudaria and in a singular form. According to John 11:44 Lazarus' head wrapped with the separate napkin (face linen) as his body, hands and feet. Shimon Gibson's archeological discovery's man had been wrapped the exactly same way as the Bible describes wrapping of Lazarus.

John 19:40 the napkin word is in Greek text othonion, which is in this verse plural. John 20:6 the linen clothes is in Greek text othonion and in plural form. John 20:7 the napkin is in Greek soudarion and in a singular form. The discovery of Shimon Gibson with his colleagues is accord with the testimony of the Bible, because Jesus' body, hands and feet had been wrapped with several linen clothes and in His head had been separate face linen (the napkin).

According to the theory of the shroud of Turin Jesus' had been wrapped on a large linen (shroud). According to the testimony of the Bible, the shroud of Turin is the deception and the fake.

More info: http://koti.phnet.fi/petripaavola/shroudofturin.html


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Re: Is The Shroud of Turin A Fake?
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2011, 01:04:15 AM »
http://theshroudofturin.blogspot.com/

I've been reading this blog from time to time.
The guy is from my town and a self-styled Calvinist to boot.

 


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