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Re: Is The Coronavirus The Plagues Prophesied?
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2020, 11:36:11 AM »

Does anyone know how many plagues were upon the people of Egypt before they let the children of Israel go? Thanks.
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« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2020, 08:26:10 PM »
Hi Rose,

Ten plagues from the water to blood to the death of the firstborn. Read through Exodus chapters 7 to 12 for what happened.

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« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2020, 01:26:37 PM »
Thank you Mark, I'm looking that up now.
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Re: Is The Coronavirus The Plagues Prophesied?
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2020, 02:36:09 AM »
Thank you Mark, I'm looking that up now.

And they all represent some aspect of God's judgment upon the congregation. From the plagues of water turning to blood, of frogs, lice, flies, pestilence, boils, hail, locusts, darkness and the killing of the firstborn. They all have that spiritual meaning with regard to God's congregation.

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Re: Is The Coronavirus The Plagues Prophesied?
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2020, 05:35:55 AM »

I don't know if the coronavirus is a biblical plague, but it's hard to deal with. So why don't you guys give the President of these United States a break? He has done a great job of running this country, and the things he says that are hurtful or vain you have to look past. We all make mistakes, he's no different. You have to look past what he has done, the wrong, and his words, and consider the good that he has done.

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Re: Is The Coronavirus The Plagues Prophesied?
« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2020, 12:35:07 PM »
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I don't know if the coronavirus is a biblical plague,

No, the coronavirus is not a biblical plague of Revelation.  The plagues of Egypt in the Old Testament was indeed physical but it has spiritual signification for our understanding with the plagues found in the book of Revealtion! Therefore, the plagues of Revealtion is NOT physical, but spiritual!

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but it's hard to deal with.

Why? The world had history of worst dieseases far more deadly than coronavirus. Even deadlier than the plagues of Egypt! Haven't you studied plagues in your high school?  Did you forget about the Black Death in 1347-1351 with death estimate of 200 million in just four years while its global population was about 450 million at that time? Would that be hard to deal with for those people?  And how about 1918 Spanish Flu that killed 50 million people with about 25 million of those deaths come in the first 25 weeks of the outbreak. Hard to deal with? 

So what about Coronavirus today?  Right now, per Johns Hopkins University and Medicine, there are 35,305 Coronavirus deaths in the world over the span of three months with total confirmed case of 741,030 and the world population is 7 billion.  America has 2,575 deaths with total confirmed case of 144,146.  So how will you compare Coronavirus with the two deadly plagues of the past above?  A drop in the bucket. Do you realize that influenze took 29,000 to 59,000 American lives a year on top of the misery of hundreds of thousands of flu-related hospitalizations and millions of medical visits for flu symptoms a season?  So how bad is Coronavirus for Americans so far?  It appears worse because of how we react to it. Thanks to our dangerously imcompetent and narcissistic president, misinforminiation on social media, and panic news. 

Calm down James. You as a person in America may have better odds of dying from cardiovascular disease than coronavirus.  Just stay home, exercise, and eat healthy. Turn off TV and quit listening to garbage on social media. Using your lockdown time do something with your hobbies, teach your children with Bible, work on marriage, etc. 

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So why don't you guys give the President of these United States a break?

No, sorry, Trump rages at accountability. As it happens, Trump has repeatedly lashed out at reporters for the very same transgression.  “It’s a nasty question,” Trump sneered, before declining any responsibility for what his own officials do and heaping extensive praise on his own response.  Yet you want to obey him and give him a break?

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He has done a great job of running this country

Really?

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and the things he says that are hurtful or vain you have to look past. We all make mistakes, he's no different. You have to look past what he has done, the wrong, and his words, and consider the good that he has done.

Please! Of course, we are all human and made mistakes. We also know that our American Presidents ALL have failings. We know that throughout the Bible, God uses flawed people, sometimes extremely wicked people in power with a purposes to bring judgment upon his people.  We can see that Trump has departed from all of our presidents since Nixon in that he is unable to control his impulses and mange his sins. We can see the danger of tribal politicisation of evangelical Christians by supporting Trump no matter what he did wrong. 

So my challenge to people like you and all Christians in the United States is this: what matters more to you, the identity of the person in the White House or the promotion of the good news about Jesus Christ? If it is the latter, - and it surely must be - then you need to seriously reconsider your support of the former! The politicisation of American Christianity has undermined the witness of evangelicals everywhere, especially when we can see that YOU are trying to sweep the sins of Trump under rug and declared him the champion of the Christian Right.
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Re: Is The Coronavirus The Plagues Prophesied?
« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2020, 02:33:03 PM »
Erik, show some charity instead of casting stones. As you said, calm down. you as a person in America have better odds of dying from cardiovascular disease than coronavirus. It's not that big of a deal.  Just stay home, exercise, and eat healthily.  Turn off the liberal shows on TV and quit listening to socialist garbage of CNN. Use Trump's gracious aid to Americans to support Israel, jog, get a hobby, teach your children the Bible, work on your marriage, support Republican politicians in this election, get off welfare, etc.  do something constructive for a change.

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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2020, 10:38:49 PM »
Calm down James. You as a person in America may have better odds of dying from cardiovascular disease than coronavirus. 

It is this type of misleading, out of context information that causes the coronavirus to spread and has foolish people gathering together partying and spreading the disease. It causes deaths that could otherwise be avoided specifically because a lot of people are stupid sheep. They think, "Erik says it's no big deal, let's all gather in New York and party." No, you didn't say it's no big deal. Or did you? It doesn't matter.

Never give a stupid man a gun and ammunition and tell him it's safe so long as he doesn't pull the trigger. Because he'll leave it out for his kids to examine. No, it's not safe because he's stupid.


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Re: Is The Coronavirus The Plagues Prophesied?
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2020, 12:38:31 AM »
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It is this type of misleading, out of context information that causes the coronavirus to spread and has foolish people gathering together partying and spreading the disease. It causes deaths that could otherwise be avoided specifically because a lot of people are stupid sheep. They think, "Erik says it's no big deal, let's all gather in New York and party." No, you didn't say it's no big deal. Or did you? It doesn't matter.

Jesse....my testimony is based on the scientific comparison between the past pandemics and Coronavirus to show the actual mortality rate.  That's all.

I do not believe that I have offered a hint that someone should disobey a lackdown order by going back to work or go out partying, just because someone is offended by something or misinterpreted my statement that may affected the fools.  No, it is all about staying at home and be safe by doing things I have specifically outlined.  Who said about going out to the party or "no big deal?"  It was you who took a single sentence out of context with false assumption.
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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2020, 04:50:30 AM »
Jesse....my testimony is based on the scientific comparison

I didn't say it was inaccurate, I said it was misleading and out of context. It is the type of thing that causes the coronavirus to spread because the world is full of foolish people who just need an excuse to gather together and spread the disease. It's the type of thing Trump would say.


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« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2020, 11:30:17 AM »
Never give a stupid man a gun and ammunition and tell him it's safe so long as he doesn't pull the trigger. Because he'll leave it out for his kids to examine. No, it's not safe because he's stupid.

What is it with you guys. You use the word stupid a lot. What's up with that?

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Re: Is The Coronavirus The Plagues Prophesied?
« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2020, 01:22:50 PM »
I don't know if the coronavirus is a biblical plague,

People are blaspheming God, not because of the plague of the Coronavirus, they do it because of the plague of unbelief, deceitfulness, and delusion in the church. That is the speaking evil of righteousness.  That is the plague that the Bible speaks about.

Re 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

The talent described here is the weight of a balance and is signifying the Lord's judgment upon them. That's the plague that God sends upon them where they blasphemy Him. Professing Christians who don't know the truth, who believe the lies, and who in turn blasphemy or speak evil of the Spirit.

Da 5:26 This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.

God's judgment is the hail, the weight of a talent.


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but it's hard to deal with.

All pandemics are hard to deal with. I don't think anyone here (but Trump cultists) who have ever denied this, or who said this would just go away easily. Yes, it's hard to deal with and is getting harder. That's why people were attempting to explain this to Trump so that he would take it more seriously. But he was to busy denying its significance and claiming that it would just disappear in a few days. Trump denied this reality and would only listen to the rhetoric of Fox & Friends, the ravings of Sean Hannity, or the narcissistic voices in his head. He didn't listen to the experts, doctors or scientists in the beginning because he has such contempt and disdain for anyone who disagrees with his worldview. He has no humility, honesty and no integrity.

Job 31:5 If I have walked with vanity, or if my foot hath hasted to deceit;
6 Let me be weighed in an even balance, that God may know mine integrity.


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So why don't you guys give the President of these United States a break?

How many breaks do you give a vain, fascist, despot? He's escaped legal entanglements with hookers, he's escaped being a thief by using bankruptcy, he's escaped criminal activity that any other person would have been put in jail for early on. He's escaped a Russian collusion investigation where He should have been charged. He's escaped clearly outlined obstruction charges. He's escaped an obvious impeachment conviction for the Ukraine fiasco, he's escaped responsibility for every ridiculous move he's made in office, etc. So how many breaks is he supposed to get? Should he escape witness of the truth also just because you joy in the lack of accountability for his evil? Why does this truth bother you so?

Ga 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?


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He has done a great job of running this country

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the things he says that are hurtful or vain you have to look past. We all make mistakes, he's no different.

So you confess that Trump is hurtful and wrong in what he says and does, but we should what?  Give him absolution? Are we God to give him absolution for all the race-baiting, deceit, the lies, the conspiracies, the immorality, collusion, bribery, usurping congressional oversight, the lawlessness, and wicked behavior of Trump?  As a professing Christian, you should know that only God can give absolution for that. We can forgive him and pray for him but that is the limit of our ability. I call him to repentance, not to give him absolution.

Lu 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Without repentance, there is no absolution, right? There is no mandate from God for his messengers to give him absolution or for us to stop telling the truth simply because all people mistakes. There is no "get out of jail free card' without regeneration.

But forgiveness of him is not what you really want, is it?  What you really want is for those of us who love the truth to stop bearing witness to it when it comes to Trump. Obama yes, Clinton, Yes, But Trump, Never. You want to silence the witnesses to his lawlessness dishonesty and deceit, right?  You desire that we all just sweep it under a rug and say he's done a great job? To act like Fox & Friends and only report the whitewashed version of events, not the dirty, grimy details that he wants to keep hidden. You want us to kneel at the altar of Trump. Bow down like those false prophets and evangelicals in our churches with political gospels. You want us to only see good things and to ignore the mountain of bad so that you can feel justified about supporting this vile, despicable, insane little man. I won't because that sounds eerily familiar to Biblical history to me.

Isa 30:8 Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:
9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:
10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
11 Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.

To do what you want would be to cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us. In effect to blasphemy His name and His teachings. You want the people not to see what's evil and not to hear the truth about his lies, corruption and evil. You only want us to post nice smooth things to make Trump seem like a great man. To make glorifying posts full of the feel-good stories and fantasies that Fox News runs? You don't want us to say that, the Emporer has no clothes.

It's the same as the evangelicals, TV hucksters, and other false Christians who only want to hear how great the nation of Israel is, how the church is serving God when backing a despicable man like Trump, how immorality in a President suddenly doesn't matter anymore, How in Christianity today the ends will justify the means, how Trump is a God-send for the health of America, and how evil and liberal those of us are who can't abide his lies and deceit.  How wicked we all must be who dare to honestly report the constant distortion of facts and Godless lawbreaking.

This Christian will not fall for that delusion. Sorry, I see right through that. Nothing (or almost nothing) I have seen posted here here is a lie. I wish I could say the same for the words of the cult-leader, Trump.


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You have to look past what he has done, the wrong, and his words, and consider the good that he has done.

Did you look past Obama? Clinton? What a convenient excuse to justify hiding the truth in darkness. It is said that Democracy dies in darkness. So does truth.

Isa 29:15 Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?

No matter how deep so many professing Christians seek to hide Trump's misbehavior, God sees it, and His witnesses know its hiding place is protected by the words of a wolf pack of professing Christians thinking their hearts are in the right place. Strong delusion, very strong delusion. Truth matters, but not to the stupid. At least not until the day of judgment.

Ho 9:7 The days of visitation are come, the days of recompence are come; Israel shall know it: the prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad, for the multitude of thine iniquity, and the great hatred.


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Re: Is The Coronavirus The Plagues Prophesied?
« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2020, 01:27:01 PM »
Never give a stupid man a gun and ammunition and tell him it's safe so long as he doesn't pull the trigger. Because he'll leave it out for his kids to examine. No, it's not safe, because he's stupid.

What is it with you guys. You use the word stupid a lot. What's up with that?

Because stupid is as stupid does. And from a Christian perspective, we're living in the golden age of stupidity. Evidence, Trump being elected President over at least 10 more qualified and intelligent men. After which Evangelicals and nearly half the country senselessly think it is righteous what Trump does and they blindly follow his madness in cult-like fashion. In a word, Stupid!

Would you rather we call it spiritual insanity? That works too, because that is exactly what it is.

Pr 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

You're all sailing in this ship of fools with no captain.

...but I know! You think it was righteous and Christian to Elect a man like Trump.  My point is proven. Pr 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

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« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2020, 02:22:23 PM »
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« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2020, 03:07:17 PM »
Amen, Reformer!
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