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Linda

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Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
« Reply #45 on: October 23, 2019, 07:02:54 AM »

From what I witness, read, hear and see, it could be argued that the modern day Republican Pro-Trump, professing believers, are hurting Christianity more than the Democratic Christians or even the adversarial unbelievers of the world. What do you think?

The way they are acting right now, 100%.

I wonder why they are not claiming it's all a lie?  I mean, besides the conspiracy theorists and crazies that were banned?  )Say_what(



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Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
« Reply #46 on: October 23, 2019, 07:05:06 AM »
so you are basically saying that Me, George, Puritan Heart, Aqautic, Fred, David knoles, Red, Joe Johnson, Drew and the President are all unsaved?

Answer?

You had your answer. If the shoe fits, wear it. If not, it's not your shoe.

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Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
« Reply #47 on: November 03, 2019, 09:08:01 AM »
We are not in business to decide who is saved or not

You could have fooled me! You say Israel is not saved don't you?


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 I Chronicles 17:9 "Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning,"

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Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
« Reply #48 on: November 03, 2019, 04:12:23 PM »
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You say Israel is not saved don't you?

I never said that.  Once again, you got confused with which Israel. The real question is WHICH Israel did God talked about? It is spiritual Covenant Israel in Christ or physical national Israel?

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I Chronicles 17:9 "Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning,"

Well, I am glad that you finally start to quote Scripture. Unforuentely, we can see that you have failed to check with the context of the verse.  We need to pay careful attention to what God ACTUALLY says. Let check with the rest of the Scripture before deal with the verse you quoted:


Gen 3:15
(15)  And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.


Gen 21:12
(12)  And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.


Gen 22:15-18
(15)  And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,
(16)  And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:
(17)  That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
(18)  And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.


2Sa 7:8-13
(8 )  Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I took thee from the sheepcote, from following the sheep, to be ruler over my people, over Israel:
(9)  And I was with thee whithersoever thou wentest, and have cut off all thine enemies out of thy sight, and have made thee a great name, like unto the name of the great men that are in the earth.
(10)  Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime,
(11)  And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the LORD telleth thee that he will make thee an house.
(12)  And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
(13)  He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

See? "Thy seed" spoken of to Adam and Eve, Abraham, and David in these passages of Scripture refers to none other than the Lord Jesus Christ. The fact that God tells Abraham it is through this seed that all nations of the earth will be blessed, lets us know without a doubt that this promise is not meant for just the physical nation of Israel?  We must surrender to the AUTHORITY OF SCRIPTURE for interpretation which confirmed for us in the New Testament, if you read the Scripture and RECEIVE IT.


Gal 3:13-18
(13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
(14)  That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
(15)  Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
(16)  Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
(17)  And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
(18)  For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

This "IS" the covenant made to Israel through Christ for ALL nations of the world. It is Covenant Isarel which made up of all Elect from Old and New Testament congregation. Therefore, it NEVER referred only to a physical country that sits upon a pile of dirt in the Middle East! 

My point is?  The end time prophecies will have NOTHING to do with physical city of Jersualem, physical nation called Israel, the physical war between Russia and her islamic allies against Israel in the Middle East, or one man called the "antichrist" you are looking for in Europe.  It is all have to do with New Testament congregation of Israel which now represents God's kingdom on earth snice the Cross.  You are looking at wrong Israel! So next time try to read the context of a verse you quoted! You obviously, took a verse out of the context, in support for your false doctrine, Selah!
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." (Isaiah 55:8-9)

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Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
« Reply #49 on: February 17, 2020, 02:20:02 PM »
Your honest thoughts on this?

 I would say for a Christian supporting the Democratic Party is a shame and disgrace knowing what they stand for.

That's funny, because I would say the exact same thing about the Republican party, knowing what they stand for.


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The lessor of the two evils is very clear to me...... it is the Republican party.

We are on opposite ends because I do not believe that there is a lessor of two evils from all I can gather. They are both "equally" evil, wicked and Godless. I don't think the Republican party is any less adversarial to God than the Democrats.  And most certainly not Trump.

I can only repeat what I said originally. From what I have witnessed, observed, read, and seen, it could be argued that the modern day Republican, Pro-Trump, professing believers, are hurting Christianity more than the Democrats.  Maybe even more than the unbelievers of the world who don't hide behind Christ's name. If A Christian can approve of, consent to, and back what Trump stands for, He isn't much of a Christian. Trump is certainly not the lessor of two evils. He's the greater of all evils, the mocker of Christianity, and from what I can tell the deceiver of America.

Frankly, I don't know how you or any other Christian can come to any rational conclusion that a devil worshipping lawless man like Trump is better for this country than "anyone." It's very sad to hear that even stated by Christians.

I don't see any righteousness in either the Republican or the Democratic party. Just a lot of rhetoric that won't mean anything when we stand before God.


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Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2020, 02:22:26 PM »
 )bump(

From what I witness, read, hear and see, it could be argued that the modern day Republican Pro-Trump, professing believers, are hurting Christianity more than the Democratic Christians or even the adversarial unbelievers of the world. What do you think?

I believe that what was once a slam dunk in favor of Republicans is now a fifty / fifty proposition. Because today I don't see the Republicans having appreciable more integrity, honesty or morality than the Democrats do, and some might argue less.

The fundamental things that Christianity has from the beginning stood for was being Christlike, speaking the truth in love, having a certain integrity, obeying rule of law, and accepting the word as authoritative. That's all gone now in most Republican Christianity. It's not following Christianity anymore, that seems to be replaced by following your tribe, using situation ethics, ability to justify lies and blatant hypocrisy. Sometimes I feel like atheists have more integrity than some Christians. What has happened to the church to cause such an abandonment of Christian principles?

Let me say that though this thread is entitled Republican and Democrats and the cause of Christianity, I don't want this to be a political or tribal thread. We have plenty of that in the miscellaneous section. Just reasons why you think that there has been such a change in how Christians are acting and now seem to justify evil when it is to their benefit. Both sides. I know some Christians always have done this, but not on this massive scale I don't think. It kinda makes me think that some are right in saying the Prostitutes get into heaven before some professing believers.
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Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
« Reply #51 on: February 17, 2020, 03:40:42 PM »
We are on opposite ends because I do not believe that there is a lessor of two evils from all I can gather. They are both "equally" evil, wicked and Godless. I don't think the Republican party is any less adversarial to God than the Democrats.  And most certainly not Trump.


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I can only repeat what I said originally. From what I have witnessed, observed, read, and seen, it could be argued that the modern day Republican, Pro-Trump, professing believers, are hurting Christianity more than the Democrats.

Since most Republicans are pretending to be God fearing Christian in order to get elected, I would agree with you. That hypocrisy and deception in the name of Christ would turn me off to Christianity and  a change to Christian morality more than being a democrat. Because that's not morality or Christianity or Christ.

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If A Christian can approve of, consent to, and back what Trump stands for, He isn't much of a Christian.


Hallelujah! and  )amen(   Say it Again!


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Trump is certainly not the lessor of two evils. He's the greater of all evils, the mocker of Christianity, and from what I can tell the deceiver of America.

Among other things.


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Frankly, I don't know how you or any other Christian can come to any rational conclusion that a devil worshipping lawless man like Trump is better for this country than "anyone." It's very sad to hear that even stated by Christians.

 )ditto(  Seeing how trump is destroying democracy, morality, justice, church, and law I don't know how any God fearing Christian can say that either.

 )Goodpoint(   )GoodPopst(  Good Stance!

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Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
« Reply #52 on: February 18, 2020, 09:48:05 AM »
Since most Republicans are pretending to be God fearing Christian in order to get elected, I would agree with you. That hypocrisy and deception in the name of Christ would turn me off to Christianity and  a change to Christian morality more than being a democrat. Because that's not morality or Christianity or Christ.

You'll have to excuse and forgive Red, Bram, Aquatic, Puritan Heart, Joe, Dan, and George. They are under the cult draw and false impression that Republican is synonymous with Christian. And that's STUPID! I'm not saying these people are stupid (that's not my call). I'm saying that this type of thinking is stupid. Trump isn't a messenger of God anymore than Obama was. Both were ordained of God to rule, but listening to these evangelical cult members you would think satan put one in power and God the other. Once again, that's STUPID! But you can't reason with these people, as I'm sure you have seen.

The Republican Party isn't the church, nor the Democratic party. The Republican party is a faction or sect of unsaved people, just like the Democratic party is. Anyone who tells you different is delusional and has no spiritual sense of right and wrong. The Republican Party and Democratic party take turns being evil and Godless. Neither of them has any more virtue than the other, regardless of what the deceived Republicans claim.


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Seeing how trump is destroying democracy, morality, justice, church, and law I don't know how any God fearing Christian can say that either.

Uh Huh. And yet they do say that don't they? They say that because they truly have no sense of right and wrong, only of Republican and Democrat. Black and white. North and South. Rich and poor. liberal and conservative. Fox News and the Deep State. Good people and those who are against Trump. Liars and anyone who says Trump tells the truth. What did Reformer say? Spiritual madness. They have no ability to discern right from wrong which is why they almost deify Trump. The whole bunch of them are rotten, evidenced by the impeachment vote and excuses

Matt. 7:18 "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."

Conclusion? Trump is not a good tree, nor are those evangelicals who tend to that tree, good husbandmen.

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Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity?

Not in a million years. It's not even close.

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