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Re: Trump, Evangelicals, The Bible and False Christians
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2020, 07:54:21 PM »

Interesting theory  )thinker(

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Re: Trump, Evangelicals, The Bible and False Christians
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2020, 12:26:16 PM »

I think that it's a straight forward process. It starts with Sovereign Grace, which all Reformed Christians believe in. That necessarily means that God has allowed this President to come to power for one of two purposes. As I see it, there can only be two reasons.

#1. To promote His law, righteousness, and truth.
#2. His sinfulness to be used of God to bring about His judgment.

I think that most faithful Christians can rule out that Trump was put into power to promote God's law, truth, or bring in righteousness. What we are left with is the condition of the world and why Trump has been elected. Because there isn't a righteous or God-fearing bone in his body. Look at the kings of the Bible. There were good kings and there were bad kings. But there has never been a bad good king. The bad kings were there to judge, and the good kings came along to bring repentance and reclaim the people.

Evangelicals seem to think that God sends bad kings in order to make a country good. Where in scripture is that ever the pattern?


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Re: Trump, Evangelicals, The Bible and False Christians
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2020, 10:01:53 AM »

Aaron, George, Doug, Red, Joe, Bram, David, Bob, Puritan heart, James Heckman, David, Drew, laurenp, Aquatic, Skeeter7, SavedByGrace,  and anyone else of like mind that is sick of the Reformed Amillennial Trump haters, Here's some good reading.

https://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1087&context=pretrib_arch

Now for my two cents. Here's what I'm thinking. Since so many authors out of the Reformed church have so much negative energy to spend on President Donald J. Trump and the evangelical movement, then perhaps they are all secretly liberal, socialists who hate seeing America become great again. That's what I'm thinking.

It's my opinion and I am entitled to it. I think that because you can't stop the President you claim that he's a lawbreaker, dishonest and corrupt. In reality, he is the most honest, straight-shooting President that we've ever had. That's why he is so beloved by Christians who are not Reformed.

You closet Democrat Christians are not changing any minds here nor are you changing any minds from the truth of popular Dispensational Christianity. We all recognize there is no honesty in your anti-Israel, antisemitic policies. Definitely not in your anti-Trump theology. And most definitely not in your anti-Republican diatribes. We applaud the President and we can take comfort in the fact that Premillennialism cannot be overcome by your cheap amil theology. So that's my two cents on Trump, Evangelicals, the Bible and false Christians. False Christians do not support the President.


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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2020, 01:11:54 PM »
Aaron, George, Doug, Red, Joe, Bram, David, Bob, Puritan heart, James Heckman, David, Drew, laurenp, Aquatic, Skeeter7, SavedByGrace,  and anyone else of like mind that is sick of the Reformed Amillennial Trump haters, Here's some good reading.


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May I ask what is the point of all this name dropping from some of you? I could care less who is on your side, dispensational side, Republican side, Israel's side or evangelical's side. I only care that Christ's side is preached. Whether you or your friends agree with his words is not something that I have control over, but they should be important to you. Amillennialism is the truth of God's word, so it doesn't matter to me that most political evangelicals or dispensational Republican Televangelists oppose it, what matters is that it is the truth. Your list of names that are pro-Trump is irrelevant to the truth.


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Now for my two cents. Here's what I'm thinking. Since so many authors out of the Reformed church have so much negative energy to spend on President Donald J. Trump and the evangelical movement, then perhaps they are all secretly liberal, socialists who hate seeing America become great again. That's what I'm thinking.

Yeah! And I'm thinking that some pundits out of the Republican evangelical church believe that if they tell a lie more than 10 times it automatically becomes a fact. That Amillennialism is untrue, that the nation of Israel will always be God's chosen people, Trump is a better President than Abraham Lincoln, A trial doesn't require witnesses or documents, Trump was sent by God to restore righteousness, truth doesn't mattter, Reformed Christians are liberals, deceit is acceptable, and there are alternative facts to facts.  )Say_what(

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It's my opinion and I am entitled to it.

Sure. And it's my Christian neighbor's opinion that if she sends $100.00 to her favorite televangelist, he will send her some dirt and water from the holy land that will heal her depression.  Yes, she also is entitled to that opinion, as foolish as it might be.


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I think that because you can't stop the President you claim that he's a lawbreaker, dishonest and corrupt.


I think most people claim that he is a lawbreaker, dishonest, and corrupt because he honestly is a lawbreaker, dishonest and corrupt.


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That's why he is so beloved by Christians who are not Reformed.

There are all kinds of Reformed Christians, some even liking Him, but those Reformed Christians leaning upon the authority of Sola Scriptura do not call him beloved of the Lord. Because the facts and the truth don't bear that out. But we'll pray for him.


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You closet Democrat Christians are not changing any minds here nor are you changing any minds from the truth of popular Dispensational Christianity.

Popular doesn't mean faithful Christianity, it usually means just the opposite. That Diuspensationalism is popular I will not argue with you, I will only argue that it is a lie.


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We applaud the President and we can take comfort in the fact that Premillennialism cannot be overcome by your cheap amil theology. So that's my two cents on Trump, Evangelicals, the Bible, and false Christians. False Christians do not support the President.

False Christians support the President every month, excuse sin every week, practice hypocrisy every day, condemn truth every hour, what else is new. When a see a Christian not supporting the vile, deceitful, dishonest, corrupt, lawless nature of the President, then I say "there goes a Christian with integrity who is willing to suffer the consequences for standing firm on Biblical principles."


Just My two cents

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Re: Trump, Evangelicals, The Bible and False Christians
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2020, 03:40:48 PM »
 )GoodPopst( There are too many people who think they are Christians just because they say they are, or just because they vote Republican, or just because they exalt Israel or are dispensational. None of that makes anyone a Christian. Nor does voting Democrat make anyone not a Christian. Wake up and smell the roses.

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Re: Trump, Evangelicals, The Bible and False Christians
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2020, 10:36:17 PM »
Amen, Pearson!
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." (Isaiah 55:8-9)

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Re: Trump, Evangelicals, The Bible and False Christians
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2020, 12:30:50 AM »

The Mockery And Abomination Evangelicals Make

 Of The Church In Supporting A Devil Like Trump.

No - It's Not Funny!


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The Bible and False Christians
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2020, 07:44:04 AM »

All the president’s clergymen: A close look at Trump’s ‘unprecedented’ ties with evangelicals

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/09/05/all-presidents-clergymen-close-look-trumps-unprecedented-ties-evangelicals/633399001/

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Re: Trump, Evangelicals, The Bible and False Christians
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2020, 12:46:41 AM »
President Donald Trump’s Moves To Reopen The Country Appear Increasingly Brazen

  Kellyanne Conway: Sometimes Trump Lies Because
 He Doesn't Know the Truth, Okay?

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Trump's Empty Threats To Governors Over Churches
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2020, 12:47:31 AM »
Trump Makes Unenforceable Threat To Governors Over Churches

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« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2020, 12:48:42 AM »
Trump Claims That He Will Override Governors

Who Do Not Allow Churches To Open This Weekend


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Re: Trump, Evangelicals, The Bible and False Christians
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2020, 01:36:23 PM »
Anyone with even one eye can see right through his con-man's political show to galvanize his base. This is like red meat to the wolves in sheep's clothing evangelicals who he knows eats this stuff up. It's his tried and true snake oil sales pitch to the religious crazies, the conspiracy addicts, and cult of personality. If he were to step one foot into a real church it would probably burst into flames.

These one-trick-pony evangelicals really need a wake-up call, because they are so deceived by this man that they really think he cares about people going to church. That's how deceived they are. Trump is making political merchandise of the church and they are helping him sell his wares. All this for something to further his chances with evangelicals at election time. He's once again attempting to sow discord among Americans over religion. How dumb do you have to be not to figure that out? The Christians who follow him are the ones who really should worry, and not about Trump or going to church. They need to worry for their blindness to the truth.

Isaiah 42:25
"Therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his anger, and the strength of battle: and it hath set him on fire round about, yet he knew not; and it burned him, yet he laid it not to heart."

It sounds like evangelicals under judgment to me.  Also, I'm starting to agree that Dr. Deborah Birx has sold her soul to the Devil. She just rubber stamps whatever Trump says, or remains silent when she knows he is twisting and lying about things she herself has said. She's clearly compromised her oath as a doctor.

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« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2020, 09:12:11 PM »
 )amen(  This church trip Trump is on is designed for the simpletons of the world who actually think he cares about the churches and the people in them (You know who you are, no need to raise your hands). It's just a political tactic, nothing more.  Susan is absolutely right. Trump knows the people are simpletons. That's how he got elected in the first place. A few key phrases (make america great, build a wall, fight for Israel, stop the anti-Christmas liberals, clean up Washington, '..choke'), and the lemmings all follow him to to the grave. His formula is not new, it's the Devil's creed. lie, divide, cause division, blame the easily blamable, confuse, and last but not least, kill the messenger. The Devil's been using it for years, and his disciples (not Christians) have fallen for it since the dawn of time. Hitler used it against the Jews, the very same formula of scapegoating and nationalism. And the German Christians fell for it also. Except they weren't really Christians. Just like those following Trump today. But don't tell them that.  :(
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« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2020, 12:23:45 AM »
Trump Tries To 'Foment Division' On The Grounds Of Religion

To Ramp Up His Cult, As Reporters Band Together To Force His Press

Secretary To Answer How Trump Can “Override” Governors


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Re: Trump, Evangelicals, The Bible and False Christians
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2020, 01:32:35 AM »
It's his tried and true snake oil sales pitch to the religious crazies, the conspiracy addicts, and cult of personality. If he were to step one foot into a real church it would probably burst into flames.

 )smileyBounce( For sure that church thing is a political stunt. They asked him his favorite verse of the Bible and "clearly" he didn't even know one single verse. What a faker.

  ...and Trump too. ;)

 


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