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Re: Marriage And Divorce
« Reply #150 on: May 18, 2015, 12:45:41 AM »
Maurice,
  Seriously, what agnostics know of Christian doctrine could fit on the head of a pin. All they know, by their own admission, is that they don't know.


               Question: What's the difference between Agnosticism and Apatheism?

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                                   Answer: I don't know and I don't care.

I know, wrong forum. I couldn't resist :)

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Re: Marriage And Divorce
« Reply #151 on: May 20, 2015, 07:45:50 PM »
That's God's Word, and it is the last word in divorce. He instituted the promise of marriage by a man and woman cleaving together and He hates divorce, no exceptions.

Romans 7:2
  • "For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband."

The last word from God is that people are married as long as they live.  It is man who adds the addendum that "it ain't necessarily so."

Is that a dig at an old song?  :) I remember that old horrible hymn of the same name. "the things that you're liable, to read in the Bible, it ain't necessarily so."

I hated that song, even before I became truly saved. Even then it rang untrue.


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Re: Marriage And Divorce
« Reply #152 on: January 30, 2019, 12:45:53 AM »
Never heard of the song, but I know that there are many Christians who don't believe every word of the bible. Be it about creation, predestination, the bondage of the will or marriage and divorce. I agree with Tony that God hates divorce, and God doesn't permit what he hates.

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Re: Marriage And Divorce
« Reply #153 on: February 01, 2019, 10:11:45 AM »
I agree with Tony that God hates divorce, and God doesn't permit what he hates.

Tony is hyper conservative and has no compassion for those trapped in bad marriages. My minister is a minister of love and shows compassion for those who, by no fault of their own, have fallen into bad marriages. She teaches that there are 20 golden reasons and exceptions to the prohibition of divorce. She doesn't say that these are cases where there should always be a divorce, but these are legitimate reasons where there can be divorce. The list is as follows.

1. Adultery
2. Fornication
3. Irreconcilable Differences
4. cheating
5. Mental Illness
6. Desertion
7. Non Support
8. Bigamy
9. Fraud or lying to get into the marriage
10. Criminal activity, conviction or imprisonment
11. Physical abuse
12. Desertion
13. Drug addiction or alcohol abuse
14. Verbal and mental abuse
15. Underage marriage
16. Arranged marriages
17. Impotence
18. Husband no longer loves the wife, or vice versa
19. Incompatibility
20. Breakdown of trust

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Re: Marriage And Divorce
« Reply #154 on: February 01, 2019, 11:51:50 AM »
Quote from: Betty
My minister is a minister of love and shows compassion for those who, by no fault of their own, have fallen into bad marriages. She teaches that there are 20 golden reasons and exceptions to the prohibition of divorce.

Your minister is a woman? No wonder where you come from!

The Scripture is clear that God hates divorce, the binding that He Himself declares that man should NOT pull apart... for any reason. Even the reasons that your pastor listed! Your minister is not a minister of love because her support of divorce which is a violation of covenant marriage is a destruction of the most powerful symbol of the love of God for us, Ephesians 5:24-25.

Christ's very own Words are not subject to you or your private interpretation, twisting or manipulations based on your feelings, or what seems right in your own eyes: 

Romans 7:2
  • "For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband."
  • You don't need to come up with excuses that the law can be broke with all the reasons your minister listed. The couple are "BOUND" together so long as they live. How long is "...for as long as you live?" despite hardship, abuse, cheating, imprisonment, impotence, etc. so that you are trying to RE-interpret it to mean "so long as there are no marital offenses?" NO, it means exactly what it says and the law cannot be broken, whether you like it or not. That is why God has His people working as police, counselors, church, marriage groups, etc. to help us.
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Re: Marriage And Divorce
« Reply #155 on: February 01, 2019, 07:31:31 PM »
Your minister is a woman? No wonder where you come from!

That's sexist.


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The Scripture is clear that God hates divorce, the binding that He Himself declares that man should NOT pull apart... for any reason.

Not really true. There are reasons for divorce. That pulling apart was only for certain reasons.

"The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:3

They asked about divorce every cause, and Christ said no not every cause and gave the cause of fornication as the exception for divorce.

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Re: Marriage And Divorce
« Reply #156 on: February 02, 2019, 12:54:06 AM »
Your minister is a woman? No wonder where you come from!

That's sexist.




No. Itís biblical. 

1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

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Re: Marriage And Divorce
« Reply #157 on: February 02, 2019, 05:18:25 AM »
Your minister is a woman? No wonder where you come from!

That's sexist.




No. Itís biblical. 


Sexist is not biblical, it's a doctrine of man.


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1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

That was just for the ancient times when women were uneducated, that is not for today.


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Re: Marriage And Divorce
« Reply #158 on: February 02, 2019, 03:12:08 PM »
Your minister is a woman? No wonder where you come from!

That's sexist.




No. Itís biblical. 


Sexist is not biblical, it's a doctrine of man.


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1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

That was just for the ancient times when women were uneducated, that is not for today.

God didnít make Eve uneducated. Education or intelligence has nothing to do with keeping silent and not teaching. Paul tells us why a woman shouldnít usurp authority over a man or teach:

-Woman was formed after man
-Woman was deceived and not the man

God ordained roles for each sex, so let the woman submit to man as intended. To be a spiritual picture of Christ and the church. If we let the woman usurp authority over the man, itís as if the church is usurping authority over Christ, which is completely backwards. But thatís what we see nowadays. Everything is upside down, but donít worry Christ said it would be a mess before He returned.

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Re: Marriage And Divorce
« Reply #159 on: February 03, 2019, 08:13:04 AM »
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Your minister is a woman? No wonder where you come from!

That's sexist.
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Actually, it's "Christian." Followers of Christ teach that a woman cannot be the Pastor or leader of the church because God has ordained very different roles for women and men, and instituted the man as the representative head of the woman, even as Christ is head of the church. If you define sexism as an evil prejudice against women, then Christians have no part in that. If you define sexism as a type of anti-feminism where we receive God's word of the creation order and forbidding women to have authority over men, then yes Christianity is decidedly anti-feminism. That is to say, "providing" you define feminism as women being considered the same as men, having the identical offices, roles or as an advocate of having the same rights to serve in any position a man does. Then Yes. Women have no "right" to serve as Ministers and Pastors of the church "because" the church bylaws that were instituted by God, forbid it. And Christians by nature follow the authority of word's word.

1st Corinthians 14:34-35
  • "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
  • And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

For women to speak in leadership roles over men in the public church would be an act of rebellion against God and of independence from their corporate head, which is their husband. Women are by law commanded of God to be in subjection to their husbands (Titus 2:5; 1st Peter 3:1), even as the church (faithful) is in subjection to Christ.

Ephesians 5:23
  • "For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body."

The difference between Christians and unbelievers is belief! The fact is, men and women were not, and are not created equal. Equal in Christ, in human worth and equal before the throne of grace? Absolutely! But if you insist that "equal" means exactly the same, created for exactly the same things, glory of God and roles, then you contradict science, the Bible, biology, historical fact and just plain common sense. Does God look upon women as intrinsically unequal with a man? Yes. Men are simply different (and thus necessarily unequal), but we all stand on the same ground in Christ Jesus, as we all have feet of clay. Does God have a divine order of things and roles based on sex? Absolutely! As His stewards, we faithfully hold to His precepts concerning this creation order and the roles of men and women. Christians should make no concessions or apologies for that.

1st Corinthians 11:3
  • "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

That's God's word, which Christians are supposed to follow as a rule. So we must be careful to not (on the ground of God's lack of distinction between men and women in Christ Jesus), claim equality with the male on ecclesiastical grounds, overstepping the bounds of God preordained propriety,


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The Scripture is clear that God hates divorce, the binding that He Himself declares that man should NOT pull apart... for any reason.

Not really true. There are reasons for divorce. That pulling apart was only for certain reasons.
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Of course, there are reasons for divorce. But none God sanctioned. Moreover, the idea of divorce for fornication is a well-traveled fallacy that is  based on a misnomer that is in the verse you submitted. The fallacy that the word translated "except" in Matthew 19 permits divorce for [porneia] or illicit nakedness. The illicit sexual activity we call fornication. It's the same word we get our English word pornographic from. The unpalatable truth is, there is no exception permitting divorce in Christ's edict. Neither for illicit nakedness, unchasteness, fornication, pornographic behavior or whatever you want to call it. Indeed that misconception is exactly what Christ was addressing with the Pharisees. The Pharisees were testifying that the law of Moses allowed divorce for this illicit nakedness (fornication).

Deuteronomy 24:1-2
  • "When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
  • And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife."

This is the exact law of Moses where Moses allowed the Jews to divorce for fornication, the unchasteness in their wives. The Hebrew word that is translated uncleanness is [`ervah], meaning some illicit nakedness. In modern vernacular, fornication or illicit sexual behavior. Moses allowed them to divorce for this fornication. I'm well aware of the supposition that the Pharisees wanted to divorce their wives for any little thing, but you must know this is supposition, not something that is found in the word of God. For an example, you need to look no further than Joseph. When he thought Mary was with child illicitly, we would have divorced her with this law of Moses, but the Holy Ghost intervened.

So then, how could Christ be saying that this law of Moses was not to be from the beginning because God has joined Husband and wife together and they cannot be torn apart--while also saying, that you are permitted to divorce your wife for this same fornication upholding the law of Moses concerning this. Most Christians don't want to delve into this too deeply because it is unpalatable, since it is "their will" to divorce for fornication. Not God's. But the logic (considering the text) makes no sense. because it's not true. Let's briefly go over this whole conversation Christ has with these Pharisees:


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"The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:3
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The word translated every is an unfortunate but accurate translation, as it should have been translated "any." Regardless, every reason "in this context" means any reason.

#1. The Greek word [pas] means all (all = any).
#2. Regardless, "every" by definition means "any"-- i.e., if there is a prohibition against "every reason" for divorce, there is a prohibition against "any reason."
#3. The context that the word is in demands that it be translated "any" since that is the crux of their original question, and their follow up question.

The scenario "in context" is that they decide to test Christ by asking Him if there can be divorce for any reason (the idea they were asking if anyone could divorce every reason is juvenile). No Jew or anyone else believed you could divorce for every reason (a hang-nail, a bad word, a frown, Etc.) These were devout Jews. They wanted to know if there could be divorce for "any" reason.

Christ answers, absolutely No, the married are as one flesh and what God has joined together, let not man pull that apart. So Christ unambiguously answered their question. And they understood His answer (unlike Christians topday). Consequently they objected to Christ's teaching that there could be no divorce and they retorted in effect, "then why did Moses allow for divorce?" Again, the law of Moses that allowed for divorce (Deuteronomy 24:1) was for [`ervah] or illicit nudity, and by extension unchastity or fornication. That's what they are asking. Why did Moses allow divorce for fornication? Did Christ back down and say, I meant you can divorce for fornication by this law of Moses? No, Christ again answers without retraction and states that Moses allowed it because of their hard-heartedness. This is why Moses suffered (allowed) them to divorce, but He says this was never what God had instituted for His children from the beginning.

So Christ has fully answered their questions of why there cannot be divorce and why Moses had allowed divorce for fornication or illicit nakedness. So having addressed the law of Moses that allowed divorce for fornication, He continues saying, and whoever shall divorce his wife for anything "beside" fornication and shall marry another committeth adultery. Thus Christ has answered them Fully. They cannot divorce for fornication as the law of Moses allowed, and they cannot divorce for anything "beside" fornication. That word translated "except" hrows people, but it is merely illustrating Christ has thus covered all bases. The word "except" [ei me] in this context means beside. If you do a study on the word you will find that it literally means "If Not."  So literally the passage reads that they cannot divorce them for fornication as the law of Moses allowed, and they cannot divorce them for anything "if not" fornication, or "beside" fornication, because to divorce and marry another is committing adultery. This is what many do not understand about the holy text there. It's not giving fornication as an exception, that was covered in His explaining why the Law of Moses allowed divorce for that. It was concluding that to divorce and mary another for anything beside fornication is adultery. The word means divorce for any reason except or beside the reason just talked about is adultery.

Mathew 19:17
  • "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."
Luke 6:4/b]
  • "How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone?"
John 3:13
  • "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

That word translated "but" is the same word, and in this context it means no one "except or beside" Christ came down from heaven. Or no one "beside" the priests alone. No one is good beside God.


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They asked about divorce every cause, and Christ said no not every cause and gave the cause of fornication as the exception for divorce.
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That's a common misconception. Actually, they asked if divorce for any cause or reason was permissible, and Christ answers that there should not be divorce for any reason. Not for fornication as prescribed by thelaw of Moses, and not for any reason "beside" fornication. He continues that to divorce and marry another is to commit adultery. Now the thing is, it's clear to any honorable reader that they were all astounded by Christ's answer. They're not astounded because Christ allowed for divorce for only unchastity or fornication, they are astounded because Christ allowed for No Divorce at all. They are astounded because He said there could not be divorce as the law of Moses allowed, and not for any reason. Even Christ's Disciples who dearly love the Lord were astounded by this teaching. So taken back by His words that when they were in private with Him, they again asked clarification about this extraordinary proclamation. They had to make sure He was saying exactly what they heard. The book of Mark puts in more succinctly unambiguously stating there can be no divorce, period.

Mark 10:7-12
  • "For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
  • And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
  • What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
  • And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter.
  • And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
  • And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery."

You see, unlike most Christians today, they understood perfectly what God was saying and it was so astounding that they wanted Christ to tell them again, and not a word about "Yes, you can divorce for fornication."  Indeed Christ clarified it without retraction, that there cannot be divorce for any reason, and if you divorce and marry another you have committed adultery. He sticks with the ONE-FLESH analogy where they can never be separated. Something that seems anathema to modern day Christians, but was the church teaching throughout its History and (generally) maintained until recently. So the question is, has the church become more faithful to God's word about divorce in modern times, or less faithful? Are they rationalizing more so that they can do their own will, or are they earnestly contending for the faith and desiring to do the will of God? Claiming God hates divorce but claiming God says you can divorce anyway is like saying God hates sin but God says you can sin anyway. It's a contradiction in terms.

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Re: Marriage And Divorce
« Reply #160 on: February 03, 2019, 08:49:06 AM »
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I agree with Tony that God hates divorce, and God doesn't permit what he hates.

Tony is hyper conservative and has no compassion for those trapped in bad marriages.
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Hyper-conservative? Is that a bad thing? A quick check in my dictionary on that word will assure that I understand it accurately:
  • CONSERVATIVE: kon-ser'va-tive, a. prudent; the tending to preserve; inclined to faithfully preserve existing doctrines, institutions, cultures or things; being opposed to radical, whimsical, subjective, arbitrary change; orthodox; A advocate of caution or non-modification; inflexible. b. One who conserves or has an adversion to degradation; A preservative; --con-serv-a-tive-ly, adv, -- con-serv-a-tive-ness, n.
Yeah, I guess you are pretty much on target. I am delighted to be conservative, to preserve the existing doctrines that are testified from God's word, and once handed down by the saints.

As for compassion, in God's eyes, it is revealed in His servants going forth with the saving gospel, and the love of holding fast to His faithful teachings so that His people do not fall into false doctrines that will place their mortal souls in danger. That is the "agape" benevolence and compassion that God requires of those who truly love Him. That is, as opposed to lip service. Love is not telling people what they want to hear, it is holding fast or conserving His teachings.

1st John 5:2-3
  • "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
  • For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."

Love of God and consequently love of the brethren is not defined by the world's ideas of compassion, but by God's word that we keep (conserve, preserve) the commandments or law that He has given us. If we have no earnest desire to conserve or KEEP (protect from harm or destruction) His laws, then we have no evidence that we are actually saved at all. It is "by this" that we know we love the children of God. As God's word says, "when we love God and keep his commandments." When we are conservative so that we hold fast the faith grounded on the solid foundation of the "authority" of the word of God.

2nd Timothy 1:13-14
  • "Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
  • That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us."

I'm sorry but divorce is a house of cards once it is carefully examined without the rationalizations of modern vain philosophies and secular humanism. God doesn't give license to His church to do that thing that He has declared He hates. There are no "situation ethics" with God, it is always black and white, wide and narrow, good and evil, right and wrong. It is only the will of man that desires/wills/yearns to make lukewarm what God has made hot and cold.


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My minister is a minister of love and shows compassion for those who, by no fault of their own, have fallen into bad marriages.
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Generally speaking, no one in this country is in a marriage by no fault of their own. If you marry someone, it's your fault. Stand up and take responsibility for your actions and stop attempting to shift the blame on someone else. All decisions have consequences. And God's word could not be clearer on the folly of breaking that marriage covenant or oath that you have made before him. ...your minister's words notwithstanding.

Mark 10:11-12
  • "And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
  • And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery."

Do you think God will say "the responsibility is not mine if I choose to divorce and marry another?" Sin needs to be recognized, not denied. Forgiveness comes with repentence, not denial.

1t John 1:8-10
  • "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
  • If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
  • If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

What God has joined together, let not man pull it apart.  There is no "No-Fault" divorce option in God's economy. There is no unseen villain that "allegedly" forced me into taking a marriage oath witnessed before God wherein it is not my fault. That's wishful thinking by unfaithful Christians.


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She teaches that there are 20 golden reasons and exceptions to the prohibition of divorce.
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That is the operative phrase, "She Teaches," rather than "God's word teaches." She can teach anything she wants, but does God's word teach that marriage is made void if a person drinks too much, or if a person raises their voice against you, or a marriage is broken if your husband commits a crime, or if there is a breakdown of trust? These are all things your minister teaches, but that God does not. These things are all from the vain imagination of her heart, not from God's actual recorded teachings. God teaches:

Mark 10:7-12
  • "For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
  • And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
  • What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
  • And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter.
  • And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
  • And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery."

That's not my minister's personal/private interpretation, that's what Christ Himself taught. That's the authoritative teaching that has been made a mockery of by the church today. Made a mockery of by those who have fallen prey to worldly philosophies and fallen away from the divine authority of the word. To be honest, your minister's 20 golden reasons and exceptions to the prohibition of divorce is a golden calf. It is the wine of the woman that is arrayed in purple and scarlet and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication. Fornication of which there is no exception clause. It's what God sees as spiritual fornication.


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She doesn't say that these are cases where there should always be a divorce...
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So the "decisions and options" for divorce is left up to each individual and is not prescribed on the pages of God's word? So If someone doesn't trust their husband or wife (your pastor's golden rule #20), they can arbitrarily make the decision to divorce them if they want? I'm sorry but that is not Christianity, that is anarchy, the bondage of the will, something entirely different from Christ's Christianity.

Psalms 50:16-17
  • "But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?
  • Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee."

There will be God's corporate people doing what is right in their own eyes, and then there are God's corporate people keeping their eyes on the prize and doing what is right in God's eyes. The difference between them is, confirmed "authority" in God's house proven by God's word, and unconfirmed "authority" in man's house proven by man's word.


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Legitimate reasons to the world, illegitimate to Christ and His followers. We're called Christians because we are those who follow Christ's teachings, not those who abandon them when testing arises. Which seems to have become the definition of Christians in our day concerning most precepts of God. To turn to the right hand and to the left in order to get around what is right in front of them.

Numbers 22:26
  • "And the angel of the LORD went further, and stood in a narrow place, where was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left."

Be as the messenger of the Lord and stand in the narrow path teaching that God's people should not turn to the right or the left, but remain on the straight and narrow. We are sent to continue the work of making crooked roads straight in Christ Jesus. What does that mean?

Deuteronomy 5:32
  • "Ye shall observe to do therefore as the LORD your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left."

Stand in the narrow path and most importantly, do not either add or take away from the word of God concerning divorce and remarriage. God's word is authoritative and those who convolute it have been warned from Deuteronomy to Revelation (Deuteronomy 4:2 - Revelation 22:18-19). Do not add or take away from God's word. There are dire consequences for those who do.


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That's so all-encompassing--what does that even mean? Does it qualify if she wants a ranch and I want a townhouse? She wants baptism by dunking and I by sprinkling? She thinks dating should start at 15 and I at 17? She likes short skirts and I think it's immoral? She wants a Chevy, and I want a Ford? Good grief, irreconcilable differences means grounds for divorce for anything. ...which necessarily means there is no real prohibition by God against divorce for "any/every reason."  That's pretty much where we are in most churches today. God's word means nothing, it's all about how someone feels. There were irreconcilable differences between man and God and guess what? Christ brought reconciliation to the irreconcilable. Are we not followers of Christ?

Ezekiel 44:23
  • "And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean."

That's what God's people do. They don't pretend that there is no difference, or that God is happy when you pull asunder what He has clearly commanded never to be pulled asunder. They don't claim that it's showing God's love to profane the marriage covenant by claiming it can be pulled apart for just about anything. The question was answered when the Pharisees asked Christ that very same question. Could there be divorce for any reason?

Matthew 19:3
  • "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?"

They were testing him because they knew Moses had written that you could divorce for fornication or unchasteness. They wanted to trap Christin contradicting Moses. Christ did not vacillate, He affirmed that marriage where two people are made one-flesh that is now inseparable. That's what One Flesh means? Correct?  God has been witness to that marriage vow or covenant. There is not one word about divorce for irreconcilable differences, that is simply man's addendum to God's word. An addition, which is a blatant violation of His warnings against such actions. And they shall not go unpunished.

"nosce te ipsum"
 
Peace,
Tony Warren
"i acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the Lord; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah. -Psalms 32:5"

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« Reply #161 on: February 03, 2019, 01:59:05 PM »
 )amen(  Good posts Tony and Aquatic. Intelligence, sexism and lack of compassion have nothing to do with divorce, remarriage or women having leadership over men.

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Re: Marriage And Divorce
« Reply #162 on: February 07, 2019, 02:53:35 PM »
)amen(  Good posts Tony and Aquatic. Intelligence, sexism and lack of compassion have nothing to do with divorce, remarriage or women having leadership over men.

Correct. But that's what happens when social Christianity replaces biblical Christianity in the Church. The word of God is secondary to societal norms and conventions. 20 reasons for divorce is ridiculous, but you'd be surprised at the number of professing Christians who believe in at least 5. Because they spend all their time in the world instead of in the bible.

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« Reply #163 on: February 08, 2019, 12:30:00 AM »
Nonsense. Like I said before, sometimes divorce is just inevitable because of irreconcilable differences.

As for Tony Warren claiming there is no exception clause, that's just crazy talk. It's perfectly clear that Jesus says if anyone divorces for anything except fornication. Therefore, there is an exception clause.

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« Reply #164 on: February 08, 2019, 09:18:01 AM »
Deuteronomy 5:32
  • "Ye shall observe to do therefore as the LORD your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left."

Stand in the narrow path and most importantly, do not either add or take away from the word of God concerning divorce and remarriage. God's word is authoritative and those who convolute it have been warned from Deuteronomy to Revelation (Deuteronomy 4:2 - Revelation 22:18-19). Do not add or take away from God's word.

Tony,
  Love your answers. But the leading position of churches for the permanence of marriage and no possibility of divorce interprets the exception clause (Matthew 19:9) as referring to fornication during the betrothal period. Why do you not accept that position, rather than the position that you hold for permanence. They agree with you that remarriage is not permitted unless the spouse is deceased. You are only different on the exception clause, though you both come to the same conclusion.

 


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