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Is Trumpism A Bonafide Cult?
« on: July 13, 2018, 12:01:24 PM »
Considering that there are some Republicans (Not all of Course) that support and agree with everything Trump does and says (and I do mean everything) regardless of if it is wrong, immoral, a lie or a distortion. Yesterday Trump called  his own speech wholely videotaped, against the London Mayor, Fake News which was untrue. And a host of Republicans agreed. How can your own words, videotaped and shown in its entirety, be false and fake News? That's just one example of the spiritual insanity that is happening in this world today. People are irrational when it comes to Trump, and that is the very definition of a cult. This poll is to see what you think. Isn't blindly following someone regardless of anything he does a cult?
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Re: Is Trumpism A Bonafide Cult?
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2018, 07:06:02 PM »
I hesitate to give my opinion, but the dictionary says a cult is:

a group with misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing; "as a cult of personality surrounding a leader." the idolization of someone; an obsessive fixation on someone; a group blindly following absurd beliefs; a veneration of a unorthodox religious leader;  a spiritual mania; any sect with a unreasonable adoration for a philosophical, religious or political leader; a group that idolizes someone; a faction with thoughtless devotion towad someone;

So I would say  Blind "Trumpism" (as you call it) certainly qualifies. But it's just the people who Trump and Giuliani say would still support him even if he took a gun and shot someone in the middle of the street. Definitely a cult. Definitely not Christian. And Definitely un American.

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Re: Is Trumpism A Bonafide Cult?
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2018, 07:52:54 PM »
 I wouldn’t single out Republicans. You have to include the liberal leaners who despise Trump, such as 99% of media. CNN. Newspapers. Every single late night news show is engrossed by Trump. Also you Philly. You are obsessed with everything Trump says or does. Doesn’t that qualify as cult like?

When your mind is constantly occupied by something, eventually that is what you become. You become what you despise. . . We as Christians are told to have are minds and hearts on God. If we have are thoughts set on the world all the time, we become a part of it.

So stop this Trump nonsense . Respectfully.

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Re: Is Trumpism A Bonafide Cult?
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2018, 01:00:19 AM »
I wouldn’t single out Republicans. You have to include the liberal leaners who despise Trump, such as 99% of media.

And this is why I hesitated to comment. Even if you were right, which you are not, a cult is not defined as a group that hates someone, it's defined a one that venerates or has devotion directed toward a particular figure or object. So it's not applicable or germane to the word. Moreover, most of those who criticize (not hate) Trump  do so for legitimate reasons. That includes many who hold to conservative views like myself and many of his own party, so let's try and be accurate.

For example, on this international trip he is on now I hear many Republicans criticizing him for the same things that I have, and surely you don't think they hate him? That's a ridiculous generalization. It's easy to say people hate someone when they criticize them. We hear that in this forum every time someone says homosexuality is wrong, or when they say national Israel are not God's chosen people and so on and so forth. It's we hate this one or hate that group. Very easy to call it hatred when it's just righteous comment or just common sense criticism.


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Every single late night news show is engrossed by Trump.

And they were engrossed by Johnson, Nixon, Bush, Clinton, Hillary and Obama, the difference is none of those people were vile, egotistical, narcissistic, antagonistic, braggadocious demagogues who distorted and lied as a rule of thumb. And none of them had a cult following who whined every time someone dared to make fun of or criticize them. Which they did every night on those very same late night entertainment or news shows.


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Also you Philly. You are obsessed with everything Trump says or does.

You might be right about that. But his obsession against him is balanced by the cult of personality for him. Not saying he's right being so focused, just that I just think it's good to hear both sides of the story, since clearly many would (and do) only give one side, and despises the other, whether they are accurate, truthful, right or wrong.


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Doesn’t that qualify as cult like?

No, a cult is not a obsession to criticize someone. At least not in any dictionary that I have ever read.


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When your mind is constantly occupied by something, eventually that is what you become. You become what you despise.

So if he despises lies, distortions, deceit and demagoguery, he will become a liar, distorter, deceitful and a demagogue? I don't think that follows since our God despises those things also.


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We as Christians are told to have are minds and hearts on God. If we have are thoughts set on the world all the time, we become a part of it.

I agree one hundred percent. But that doesn't mean we bow down at the altar of Trump and justify his evil doings with platitudes and clichés-like retorts about serving God and ignoring his deceits. Especially since John the Baptist was serving God when he told the king that it was not lawful for him to have his brother's wife. No one told him to shut up and stop criticizing the king's evil doings.

You think John might have thought that to be silent about sin, even the king's sin, was to be in some way complicit?  Just a thought as I see so many Christians silent about so many things. Including Abortion, Deceit, Divorce, Sexual Immorality, Greed, Sundays, Homosexuality, Proper Marriage, Child Rearing, the list is endless. And we can throw in the disgraceful behavior of our President as well.

I've said my piece so as Pearson would say, Soap Box mode off.

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Re: Is Trumpism A Bonafide Cult?
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2018, 06:30:49 AM »
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Trump is the greatest and most honest President this country has ever had, and that includes President Reagan. Contrary to liberal media he's beloved and doing wonderful things like no other President has. This site is full of a bunch of liberal Christians who want abortions, liberal judges, crime, immigrants taking over and more welfare and taxes. But the country loves Trump and you liberals just hate that fact. aquatic is one of the few conservatives on this site and she stands with us in support of righteousness and because of that Melanie, the Tony Warren Apologist, attacks. The rest on this site are democrats who hate Trump because he is honest and tells the truth and says out loud what Christians are privately thinking. He wants this country back and he's making America great again. Most of you shouldn't even be allowed to vote at all, since I believe education should be a requirement. So if you don't like what this country stands for, leave America and go to one of the socialist countries. 80 percent of Republicans love trump, the only legitimate poll taken.

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Re: Is Trumpism A Bonafide Cult?
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2018, 09:20:58 AM »
And a hearty )amen( to you Melanie for calling it as you see it.  :God:Bl-U:
I refuse to comment on Dan's post because I feel he's trolling us and it doesn't deserve comment. It's typical of Trumpism.

I guess I'm just another Reformed Christian LIBERAL here, but that label won't stop me from the truth anymore than your label of us as Amillennial anti-Semites will. Now I'm not happy with all this political talk either, but it never ceases to amaze me the turning a blind eye with some people professing to serve God, the continual apologists, justifications, camouflage, rationalizations, coverups and sanctification so many professing Christians practice when it comes to "this particular" President that has never happened before in the long history of the church. If that's not carnal, I don't know what is.

The country is as polarized, divided and as tribal as I've ever seen it. It is filled with bigotry, resentment, hatred and irrational fear and on its way down a dark path, and Trump is the common denominator. He's very strangely venerated by some as if he is the righteous warrior sent from God to set the world straight, and I think I just vomited in my mouth. God set him in office of course, but it wasn't to bring righteousness to America anymore than God setting Hitler in office was to make Germany righteous. You people are delusional. This belief that is held by Televangelists and their minions is blind idolatry pure and simple. Man trusting in man for his deliverance from the world and its evil. How fool-hearty.

Isaiah 31:1
"Woe to them that go down to Egypt for help; and stay on horses, and trust in chariots, because they are many; and in horsemen, because they are very strong; but they look not unto the Holy One of Israel, neither seek the LORD."

Trump is to morality what Satan is to virtue. Those who look to him as their Godsend, redeemer, deliverer from evil, security and help in this world will have a rude awakening some day. Because you place their trust in man and not God.

Of I almost forgot. Of course it's a religious cult. Any group that idolizes someone so fiercely that they will support his every foolish move and deny his every lie, is a cult.

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Re: Is Trumpism A Bonafide Cult?
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2018, 05:57:21 PM »
I voted for Trump before thinking he would change his style after the election, but I will not vote for him again. I just hope there is a Republican running against him.

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Re: Is Trumpism A Bonafide Cult?
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2018, 06:31:18 AM »
I support many of the things he's done also, but if seeing Trump shoot someone in the streets of New York, and still supporting him, isn't the very definition of a cult, then someone please tell me what a cult is because either I'm crazy or you are. This was from Trump himself talking about his follower's blind loyalty to him. Is that not blind idolatry? Or am I crazy?

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Re: Is Trumpism A Bonafide Cult?
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2018, 08:05:49 AM »
I wouldn’t single out Republicans.

Why not, you all can sure single out the Democrats when they are in power (and rightly so) and not once did I ever hear a Republican say, "I wouldn't just single out the Democrats."  Not once did I hear that from anyone! Did you? Of course you didn't. Can you spell Hypocrite? But now that the shoe is on the other foot it's all of a sudden "let's not single out the Republicans" as if they're not the ones now in complete power and controlling everything that is not done or is done. That's hypocrisy of the highest order.


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you Philly are obsessed with everything Trump says or does.

I point out his basket full of lies, contradictions and hypocrisy about twice a month. I could do it every day. So if that's obsession, OK I plead guilty.


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Doesn’t that qualify as cult like?

Only if I revered, admired and worshiped him like many Republicans do. Certainly not by pointing out his continual lying, contradictions, hypocrisy, immorality and foul unchristian behavior. A cult would be like every time someone tells the truth about him, the cultists would rage about how God doesn't like the truth told about despots in office and proclaim if we can't worship him like the rest, God says we should just be quiet. That's cult-like behavior. Not revealing a man whose only real ultimate ambition is to glory and enrich himself and his family. That's cult like.


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When your mind is constantly occupied by something, eventually that is what you become. You become what you despise.

I despise dishonesty and I will never become that. Why do you think Trump wants the press shut down and silenced? Is it because they are always telling lies about him (absurd), or is it because they reveal the truth about his lies, his distortions, what he has done and is doing behind the scenes that he doesn't want Americans to know? How you answer makes you either a honest person or a cultist.


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We as Christians are told to have are minds and hearts on God.

How do Christians have their minds and hearts on God when they are worshiping at the feet of Trump? A blind Trump supporter can never lecture me about God, truth or what Christ desires because that's plain hypocrisy since Trump is definitely anti God, anti truth and anti-Christ. So how do Christians like yourself adore such a man so?


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So stop this Trump nonsense . Respectfully.

Respectfully, no matter what you say, I will not stop telling the truth, or being offended by lies, or remain silent about the hypocrisy of Republicans for doing the same things they railed on the Democrats for doing, or bringing to light what Trump idolaters want to remain hidden. If youy want that, then go over to the Calvinist Forum. You'll feel right at home.

Sorry, but truth is truth and lies are lies. No matter who, or what politician they come from.

By the way, as I have said numerous times, I don't hate Trump, I feel sorry for him and his cultist followers. I pray they'll come out of the darkness of the world they are so enamored with.

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Re: Is Trumpism A Bonafide Cult?
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2018, 09:04:01 AM »
Sorry Pearson, everyone's stealing your tagline :)

What's a tagline?

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Re: Is Trumpism A Bonafide Cult?
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2018, 12:23:19 PM »
Moderates, not liberals Dan.

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Re: Is Trumpism A Bonafide Cult?
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2018, 01:24:28 PM »
All Amillennialists are liberal, every single one. They come from the early liberal allegorical view systematized by Origen of Alexandria and St. Augustine.

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Re: Is Trumpism A Bonafide Cult?
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2018, 02:31:27 PM »
Sorry Pearson, everyone's stealing your tagline :)

What's a tagline?

Young'ns! ;)

Back in the old days everyone had a unique last line for their messages. It's just a slogan/line at the end of a post. Pearson ends his posts with a slogan "Sopbox mode off" meaning that he's finished his soapbox speech or has had his say. That's his tagline. Some people had bible verses, some a cute line, others a famous quote, etc.  It's just old school for sig. Kinda before forums started having a space for signature lines.

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Re: Is Trumpism A Bonafide Cult?
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2018, 05:32:32 PM »
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All Amillennialists are liberal, every single one.
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Psalms 119:104
  • "Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way."

George, yours is one of many false and mendacious statements that not only cannot be supported by any reputable source (Televangelists are not reputable sources), and is blatantly insidious, disingenuous and designed to deceive. Since You've been here for years, I'm quite sure that both you and others who throw the word "liberal" around like confetti know quite well that "most" of the posters here are neither what is "deemed" liberal in their views, nor do they support the ungodly teachings of the left. And since I know you know that, I can only assume that you're being deliberately deceitful to make a point that cannot stand without it. Unless you consider conservatism, anti-abortion, anti-immorality, anti-divorce, anti-drugs, anti-homosexuality, anti-adultery, anti-communism/socialism, and anti-disobedience to God's word, etc., etc. to be liberal. Then I'm sorry to say, your definitions are as corrupt as your Eschatology.

Proverbs 24:28
  • "Be not a witness against thy neighbour without cause; and deceive not with thy lips."

Of course I know why you say the things you do about Amillennialism, because you cannot refute it by any scholarly or legitimate means. Don't feel bad, no one else can either because it's founded solidly upon the word of God alone, which cannot be gainsaid nor resisted legitimately. Therefore all that is left is deceit, labels, distortions and the proverbial Straw Man. None of which can deceive the Lord's elect.

Mark 16:18
  • "They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

So do try to keep your statements accurate please.


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They come from the early liberal allegorical view systematized by Origen of Alexandria and St. Augustine.
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 )offtopic( and also untrue, as the Amillennarian generally comes from a very reasoned and sound interpretation of the Bible, by the Bible, rather than by traditions, fables, televangelists and the genealogical dreams of men. You want a earthly kingdom, you'll get one, but it's a kingdom constructed and ruled by men.

John 18:36
  • "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."

Amillennialism in its truest form is God's very clear declarations that His Son's kingdom is not of this world, that Satan was bound at the cross, that God is no respecter of persons, that a Jew is not one outwardly but inwardly, that the New Covenant with Israel is with all His servants and that the Israel of God is anyone brought out of spiritual Egypt by His Beloved Son. All things that are found in Scripture, that it is not needful to be systematized by Origen of Alexandria or Augustine, because they were scribed on the pages of the Bible.

Matthew 21:43
  • "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."

Since the physical Kingdom wasn't taken from Israel and given to a righteous people physically to reign in, then by all rational thought and idiom, it has to be a spiritual Kingdom. Unless you want to define the kingdom the way you define liberal--badly.


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Re: Is Trumpism A Bonafide Cult?
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2018, 06:15:47 PM »
Tony, I agree with what you think about George's true motivation here.  For years, He did not receive the love of the Truth but going into labeling people with truthful testimony as liberal.
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