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Re: Are Evangelicals False Prophets?
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2017, 06:16:11 AM »
I'm curious as to if you think that the new conservative evangelicals like John Hagee, Joel Osteen, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell Jr., Jack Van Impe, Paula White, Jim Bakker, etc., are false prophets.

I know someone will say I'm making this political, but this sticks out like a sore thumb, and I'm sure I'm not the only one seeing it. What does all these power and money grubbers (Opp, I mean evangelicals) have in common beside their prosperity gospels? Is it not that they are all on the front lines in endorsing and supporting the actions of Trump? Who by the way, also thinks Christianity is all about money and power. What would you expect when Joel Osteen converted Trump to Christianity. So the answer is of course they are false prophets!

Proverbs 19:4-6
"Wealth maketh many friends; but the poor is separated from his neighbour. A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall not escape. Many will intreat the favour of the prince: and every man is a friend to him that giveth gifts."

False prophets stick together.

Isaiah 9:15
"The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail."

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Re: Are Evangelicals False Prophets?
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2017, 06:31:32 AM »
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No candidate is more identified with the word evangelical as is Trump. The loyalty of his self-identified evangelical followers is especially startling to many.

To brother Horton and Reformed friends,
  I would not say startling, since I'm not surprised by the obvious blindness of, or the apostasy in the church. I would substitute the word startling with troubling. Troubling because how soon they justify immorality and lack of integrity. I think we've seen some of his blind followers even here. It's not just in the so called evangelicals, it's also among the Reformed and Puritans.  The great loyalty to him, and the great lack of loyalty to the doctrines of Christ are troubling to bible believers. Bible believers as contrasted with bible readers. Those with more integrity, more honorable as scripture frames them.

 2nd Timothy 3:1-5
  This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Sorry, there are more false prophets and deceived than just in the evangelical arena according to this definition.



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Re: Are Evangelicals False Prophets?
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2017, 07:30:51 AM »


Interesting reading on being a Theological Populist. The New Christian?

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/erik-raymond/is-donald-trump-a-theological-populist/

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Re: Are Evangelicals False Prophets?
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2017, 09:37:56 AM »
Why do you say Pat Robinson is a false prophet? He may be getting old and say some things you would expect from a older gentleman, but that doesn't make him a false prophet. Doctrines do. So what you're really saying is that because he believes the Jews are God's chosen people, that makes him a false prophet? You're condemning most Christians in saying that.

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Re: Are Evangelicals False Prophets?
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2017, 01:36:44 PM »
Quote from: 'Lieberman"
False prophets stick together.


Indeed.

Rev 17:12-14

[12]  And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
[13]  These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
[14]  These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

These false prophets gave THEIR power and strength to Satan by selling his doctrines in the Church. This is how Satan is able to rule the church through them. And their weapons come out of their mouths.

Eze 38:3-6
[3]  And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
[4]  And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
[5]  Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
[6]  Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

Note how the enemies are wearing something SIMILAR to what we, as True Christians, wear in Ephesians 6? These are the false prophets and christs coming with false doctrines and lying signs and wonders. They work together to bring down truthful testimony.
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." (Isaiah 55:8-9)

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Re: Are Evangelicals False Prophets?
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2017, 02:30:10 PM »
Again erik, whatever fonts you are using, they don't work here. We can't read the tiny print.
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Re: Are Evangelicals False Prophets?
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2017, 02:35:32 PM »
Why do you say Pat Robinson is a false prophet?

Have you kept track of his prophesies?

Deuteronomy 18:22
"When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."

The truth is, evangelicals have lost their minds. Spiritually speaking.

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Re: Are Evangelicals False Prophets?
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2017, 03:19:04 PM »
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Again erik, whatever fonts you are using, they don't work here. We can't read the tiny print.


Fixed, I will figure it why. Thank you.
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Re: Are Evangelicals False Prophets?
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2017, 11:47:36 AM »
Have you kept track of his prophesies?

Deuteronomy 18:22
"When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."

The truth is, evangelicals have lost their minds. Spiritually speaking.

Or lost their values. Here is a good article by Russell Moore so at least some have the good sense to recognize the slide of Christian values and honesty. Posted on Reformed Margins:
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Have Evangelicals Who Support Trump Lost Their Values?
By Russell Moore

IN 2006, the television comedy “The Office” aired an episode in which one of the characters, Dwight Schrute, nervously faces the prospect of delivering a speech after winning the title of top salesman of the year for his company, Dunder Mifflin. As a prank, his co-worker preps him for his moment by cribbing a speech from a dictator, coaching him to deliver it by pounding the lectern and waving his arms wildly. Dwight does it, and the audience gives a standing ovation to a manic tirade.

Watching a cartoonish TV character deliver authoritarian lines with no principles, just audacity, was hilarious back then, but that was before we saw it happening before our eyes in the race for the United States presidency.

Donald J. Trump stands astride the polls in the Republican presidential race, beating all comers in virtually every demographic of the primary electorate. Most illogical is his support from evangelicals and other social conservatives. To back Mr. Trump, these voters must repudiate everything they believe.

Ben Carson recently contrasted his own faith in God with Mr. Trump’s theatrical egocentrism. “By humility and the fear of the Lord are riches and honor and life, and that’s a very big part of who I am,” he said, citing a Bible verse. “I don’t get that impression with him.” Mr. Trump hit back, suggesting that Mr. Carson was faking his own faith: “So I don’t know about Ben Carson’s faith, and all of a sudden he becomes this great religious figure. I don’t think he’s a great religious figure.” Mr. Carson quickly backed off from his comments, but the questions are not so easily dismissed.

There’s no religious test for office, and there shouldn’t be. My Baptist ancestors were willing to make alliances with the heretical Thomas Jefferson because he believed in religious liberty. It didn’t matter that they never would have let him teach Sunday school.

We should not demand to see the long-form certificate for Mr. Trump’s second birth. We should, though, ask about his personal character and fitness for office. His personal morality is clear, not because of tabloid exposés but because of his own boasts. His attitude toward women is that of a Bronze Age warlord. He tells us in one of his books that he revels in the fact that he gets to sleep with some of the “top women in the world.” He has divorced two wives (so far) for other women.

This should not be surprising to social conservatives in a culture shaped by pornographic understandings of the meaning of love and sex. What is surprising is that some self-identified evangelicals are telling pollsters they’re for Mr. Trump. Worse, some social conservative leaders are praising Mr. Trump for “telling it like it is.”

In the 1990s, some of these social conservatives argued that “If Bill Clinton’s wife can’t trust him, neither can we.” If character matters, character matters. Today’s evangelicals should ask, “Whatever happened to our commitment to ‘traditional family values’?”

Mr. Trump tells us “nothing beats the Bible,” and once said to an audience that he knows how Billy Graham feels. He says of evangelicals: “I love them. They love me.” And yet, he regularly ridicules evangelicals, with almost as much glee as he does Hispanics. This goes beyond his trivialization of communion with his recent comments about “my little cracker” as a way to ask forgiveness. In recent years, he has suggested that evangelical missionaries not be treated in the United States for Ebola, since they chose to go overseas in the first place.

Still, the problem is not just Mr. Trump’s personal lack of a moral compass. He is, after all, a casino and real estate mogul who has built his career off gambling, a moral vice and an economic swindle that oppresses the poorest and most desperate. When Mr. Trump’s casinos fail, he can simply file bankruptcy and move on. The lives and families destroyed by the casino industry cannot move on so easily.

He’s defended, up until very recent years, abortion, and speaks even now of the “good things” done by Planned Parenthood. In a time when racial tensions run high across the country, Mr. Trump incites division, with slurs against Hispanic immigrants and with protectionist jargon that preys on turning economic insecurity into ugly “us versus them” identity politics. When evangelicals should be leading the way on racial reconciliation, as the Bible tells us to, are we really ready to trade unity with our black and brown brothers and sisters for this angry politician?

Jesus taught his disciples to “count the cost” of following him. We should know, he said, where we’re going and what we’re leaving behind. We should also count the cost of following Donald Trump. To do so would mean that we’ve decided to join the other side of the culture war, that image and celebrity and money and power and social Darwinist “winning” trump the conservation of moral principles and a just society. We ought to listen, to get past the boisterous confidence and the television lights and the waving arms and hear just whose speech we’re applauding.

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Russell Moore is president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation’s largest Protestant denomination. He is the author of “Onward: Engaging the Culture Without Losing the Gospel.”


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Re: Are Evangelicals False Prophets?
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2017, 01:49:27 PM »
Another "Reformed Theologian" who no doubt hates Israel and shows that by condemning the evangelicals who support our President because he unapologetically stands with evangelicals and supports Israel. Among other conservative values.

How about citing all the Christians who are not Reformed who support him based on his morals and values, which are closer to theirs. The Reformed are one trick ponies who place legalism above common sense. That's why the misunderstand predestination, evangelicals and the doctrine of premillennialism.

Leviticus 7:36
"which Jehovah commanded to be given them by the children of Israel in the day that he anointed them: [it is] an everlasting statute, throughout their generations."

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Re: Are Evangelicals False Prophets?
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2017, 02:52:41 PM »
Leviticus 7:36
"which Jehovah commanded to be given them by the children of Israel in the day that he anointed them: [it is] an everlasting statute, throughout their generations."

Dan, read and understand ... these are not the words of a Reformed Theologian, these are the words of THUS SAITH THE LORD!!

Deuteronomy 28 (KJV)

28 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the Lord thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:

2 And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God.

3 Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field.

4 Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.

5 Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.

6 Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.

7 The Lord shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.

8 The Lord shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

9 The Lord shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the Lord thy God, and walk in his ways.

10 And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the Lord; and they shall be afraid of thee.

11 And the Lord shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

12 The Lord shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.

13 And the Lord shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the Lord thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:

14 And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.

15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

16 Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.

17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.

18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.

19 Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.

20 The Lord shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.

21 The Lord shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it.

22 The Lord shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.

23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.

24 The Lord shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

25 The Lord shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.

26 And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away.

27 The Lord will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.

28 The Lord shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:

29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.

30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.

31 Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.

32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand.

33 The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:

34 So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.

35 The Lord shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.

36 The Lord shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.

37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the Lord shall lead thee.

38 Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.

39 Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.

40 Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.

41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.

42 All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.

43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.

44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:

46 And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.

47 Because thou servedst not the Lord thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;

48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the Lord shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.

49 The Lord shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;

50 A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:

51 And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.

52 And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the Lord thy God hath given thee.

53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the Lord thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:

54 So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:

55 So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.

56 The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,

57 And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.

58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, The Lord Thy God;

59 Then the Lord will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.

60 Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee.

61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the Lord bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

62 And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the Lord thy God.

63 And it shall come to pass, that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.

64 And the Lord shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

65 And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the Lord shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:

66 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:

67 In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.

68 And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

Furthermore, for disobedience in forsaking THEIR God, who delivered them from the horror of Egypt, please read;

Leviticus 26:33 (KJV)
33 And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.

Deuteronomy 4:27 (KJV)
27 And the Lordshall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the Lord shall lead you.

Psalm 106:27 (KJV)
27 To overthrow their seed also among the nations, and to scatter them in the lands.

Jeremiah 9:16 (KJV)
16 I will scatter them also among the heathen, whom neither they nor their fathers have known: and I will send a sword after them, till I have consumed them.

Ezekiel 12:15 (KJV)
15 And they shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall scatter them among the nations, and disperse them in the countries.

Ezekiel 20:23 (KJV)
23 I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries;

Ezekiel 22:15 (KJV)
15 And I will scatter thee among the heathen, and disperse thee in the countries, and will consume thy filthiness out of thee.

Zechariah 10:9 (KJV)
9 And I will sow them among the people: and they shall remember me in far countries; and they shall live with their children, and turn again.

Jeremiah 13:24 (KJV)
24 Therefore will I scatter them as the stubble that passeth away by the wind of the wilderness.

Ezekiel 5:10(KJV)
10 Therefore the fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers; and I will execute judgments in thee, and the whole remnant of thee will I scatter into all the winds.

Jeremiah 18:17 (KJV)
17 I will scatter them as with an east wind before the enemy; I will shew them the back, and not the face, in the day of their calamity.

Ezekiel 12:14 (KJV)
14 And I will scatter toward every wind all that are about him to help him, and all his bands; and I will draw out the sword after them.

1 Kings 14:15 (KJV)
15 For the Lord shall smite Israel, as a reed is shaken in the water, and he shall root up Israel out of this good land, which he gave to their fathers, and shall scatter them beyond the river, because they have made their groves, provoking the Lord to anger.

Nehemiah 1:8 (KJV)
8 Remember, I beseech thee, the word that thou commandedst thy servant Moses, saying, If ye transgress I will scatter you abroad among the nations:

and many more ......

I humbly suggest that you take the time necessary, and Search the Scripture ... plead with God our Father to guide you with the help of the Holy Spirit.  He is generous to those who earnestly seek His face. 

James 4 v 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. .......

But, take care and be warned, you will be held accountable for every idle word you speak, or as in this case, you post!  Your personal *sentiments* are not the Word of the Living God Almighty and if you, through your defiant manner and distortion of scripture, cause any to falter, you Will be held accountable !!

Matthew 18 v 6; But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

By teaching that which is not in scripture, by perverting and taking out of context the truth of the Holy written Word of God, and, with arrogance and presumptuous attitude, quoting God Almighty as though you are an alleged authority, you walk dangerously !

Please, be humble and ask questions... we are all learning.  This precious gift of life is not about our personal opinion about what or Who God is, but about sincerely and soberly seeking His face, knowing HIM, through His Word.  I daresay, if you are adamant about what you believe, you do not belong on this forum.  However, if you seriously have questions and doubts, ask Dan ... ask with a humble heart ... God is Faithful !!

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Re: Are Evangelicals False Prophets?
« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2017, 01:22:50 AM »
Another "Reformed Theologian" who no doubt hates Israel

You assume Reformed Theologians who have not lost their moral compass so hat they blindly follow this foolish man, or back Israel, are filled with hate. That's not true. Actually, these men are the only ones who truly have a moral compass and who truly love Israel, the Jews. I've read these men and their greatest desire is that they be saved. But of course, like someone else, you'll continue to publish these falsehoods and pretend God is on your side.


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and shows that by condemning the evangelicals who support our President because he unapologetically stands with evangelicals and supports Israel.

Actually I don't recall them mentioning anything about Israel, rather they were all talking about the moral compass of evangelicals who blind their eyes to wickedness, sinful men and everything that a Christian is supposed to stand against, for the sake of joining the mob against the machine. They are simply asking, where is the morality, honesty and integrity of these people who call themselves Christians. That's all these honest men were asking. And for that they are the enemy of Israel, conservatives and Christ? That is strong delusion.


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Among other conservative values.

It is foolish to think Trump has any conservative, moral or ethical values. It's downright simple minded. He has no morality. He uses evangelicals because they are so easily deceived with a few clichés and code words. When he's done with them, hell cast them off like the others he's stepped on in his drive to the top. I'm just being honest, not hateful. Moral values and Donald Trump do not go together. These false prophets whop adore him (and that's what they are) have God to answer to, not I.


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How about citing all the Christians who are not Reformed who support him based on his morals and values, which are closer to theirs.

There are no Christians (in the true sense of the word) who support him based on his morals and values. Because a tree is known by its fruits and its obvious he has no morals or Christian values. As for their morals and values being close to his, if that is the case, that is the reason that they are not Christian. They're false prophets playing the game of Christianity like the world plays the game of God.


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The Reformed are one trick ponies who place legalism above common sense.

Is "God's Law" what you call legalism? Is common sense thinking like the world thinks? The Biblically Reformed view God's laws as the guide to common sense.


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That's why the misunderstand predestination, evangelicals and the doctrine of premillennialism.

The Reformed understand Predestiunation the way it is written, that's why they adhere to Sola Scriptura. And the Reformed understand these evangelicals (if that's what you want to call them) as a plague on Christianity. And the Reformed understand the doctrine of Premillennialism as not true, because it doesn't agree with God's word.



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Leviticus 7:36
"which Jehovah commanded to be given them by the children of Israel in the day that he anointed them: [it is] an everlasting statute, throughout their generations."

Points to Christ, the only anointed high Priest and required law of everlasting sacrifice that can make anyone clean. Or else everyone (including Israel) would still be sacrificing sheep on an altar thinking it would save them. It's certainly not talking about Aaron and national Israel as you seem to be claiming. So it is you who are misunderstanding things, not these theologians who respect the truth and are more noble so they see the apostasy of these evangelicals.

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Re: Are Evangelicals False Prophets?
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2017, 07:37:32 AM »
Ezekiel 12:15 (KJV)
15 And they shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall scatter them among the nations, and disperse them in the countries.


That is what the restoration is all about. When they shall come back from being scattered all over the nations. But you liberals want to replace Israel with the church and ignore the restoration that has been propheced. Why do you think Israel returned to their land in 1948?


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But, take care and be warned, you will be held accountable for every idle word you speak, or as in this case, you post! 

That's what the liberals say against Trump to try and shut him up when he speaks the truth, so I can see where you got your marching orders from. You are just another Reformed, anti conservative, anti Trump, anti evangelical, anti Israel, anti Dispensationalist liberal.


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Your personal *sentiments* are not the Word of the Living God Almighty and if you, through your defiant manner and distortion of scripture, cause any to falter, you Will be held accountable !!

Alexandra

I'm just trying to make America great again and if that means breaking a few liberal eggs to make a good Omelet, so be it. Evangelicals back our President because he's supporting Christian values, he  doesn't depend on the fake news, he promoting the conservative agenda, and promoting Israel which is God's people. I will warn you as well that if you don't back the evangelicals, back Trump, back Israel and back the literal method of eschatology, you Will be held accountable. Think on that.

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Re: Are Evangelicals False Prophets?
« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2017, 09:25:13 AM »
Hello Dan,

Until you fully understand the essence and spiritual significance of the New Covenant through Jesus Christ, which you very obviously do not, there will never be any agreement between us!  I furthermore have no desire to be drawn into the web of politicising scripture ... something you are persistent in doing.

I also wish to point out to you that your comments display gross ignorance of history, scripturally and politically.  If you wish, please feel free to begin another post.  This post is already nosediving from the original question, namely *Are Evangelicals False Prophets?*

I will end stating simply this;  I take my responsibility as a follower of Christ very seriously, and that there are those who do speak slanderously about President Donald Trump, I find very disturbing.  I believe with every iota of my being, that God Almighty remains in control, whether some like him, President Trump, or not .. the Word of God is crystal clear regarding our responsibilities in this regard.

Romans 13 v 1; Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

I Timothy 2 v 1;  I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

2 For kings, and for all that are in authority;
that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

I refuse to character assasinate him !!  Whether I agree with him or not, is irrelevant.  My personal opinions are naught !  He is where he is because God Almighty ordained it to be so and I am obligated, to Willingly, pray for him, and I do !! For him, his wife, his family, his advisors and those in leadership positions, firstly, that God in His Infinite Mercy would reveal Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour to them and then, for wise decisions to be made for the continuance of the Gospel to the lost.

Alexandra


Psalm 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

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Re: Are Evangelicals False Prophets?
« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2017, 09:46:06 AM »
I will end stating simply this;  I take my responsibility as a follower of Christ very seriously, and that there are those who do speak slanderously about President Donald Trump, I find very disturbing.  I believe with every iota of my being, that God Almighty remains in control, whether some like him, President Trump, or not .. the Word of God is crystal clear regarding our responsibilities in this regard.

Romans 13 v 1; Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

I Timothy 2 v 1;  I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

2 For kings, and for all that are in authority;
that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

I refuse to character assasinate him !!  Whether I agree with him or not, is irrelevant.  My personal opinions are naught !  He is where he is because God Almighty ordained it to be so and I am obligated, to Willingly, pray for him, and I do !! For him, his wife, his family, his advisors and those in leadership positions, firstly, that God in His Infinite Mercy would reveal Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour to them and then, for wise decisions to be made for the continuance of the Gospel to the lost.

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"And he shewed me a pure river of water, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb."~Revelation 22:1

In the world to come~there WILL BE "pure pleasures"~river/tree=all that is needed to sustain us Forever! Joy, peace, contentment in its fullest, etc.

 


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