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What is Spiritual Insanity?
« on: December 05, 2017, 02:54:56 PM »
Tony,
   I've only been here a short period of time as you know but I am impressed with the knowledge of scripture I see presented here. My question is what is this spiritual insanity that you and others have referenced from time to time. I've never heard it mentioned anywhere but here so if you could enlighten me, I would be most grateful. Thanks.

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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2017, 06:59:05 AM »
It's like Virtual Insanity, only Spiritual  ;D

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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2017, 08:33:31 AM »
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Tony,
   I've only been here a short period of time as you know but I am impressed with the knowledge of scripture I see presented here. My question is what is this spiritual insanity that you and others have referenced from time to time. I've never heard it mentioned anywhere but here so if you could enlighten me, I would be most grateful. Thanks.
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Spiritual Insanity is a type of mental impairment or spiritual madness where our thinking becomes unbalanced, unsound and even delusional. It is actually a term "gleaned" from the Scripture where someone has the spirit of Satan wherein they are viewed as not in their right mind, and thus by implication, insane. In Scripture God uses insanity as a portrait of the unsound or actually unreasonable behavior of the unsaved who are in bondage to the Devil. You've heard people who are struggling with some sin or personal issues, etc.,  viewed as "those who are struggling with their Demons?". Well, that's not entirely a unbiblical idiom. Because in Scripture physical insanity was used by God as a symbol of one whose mind was spiritually ill or sick, being in bondage to Satan's delusion. God uses man's mental maladies to illustrate they are spiritually fools, simpletons or insanity in Scripture to paint a portrait of those who spiritually do not think or act with sound reasoning. By being deceived by Satan their mind is "not right" as it is a slave to confusion and turmoil. And this is where we get the term "Spiritual Insanity." It is a spiritual disorder of the mind that comes from having a spirit of delusion, a type of spiritual psychosis of those whose mind is not set free in Christ. In Spiritual insanity the truth seems like a lie and what is sound seems unsound, what is right seems wrong, the mind is in total spiritual confusion.

2nd Timothy 1:7
  • "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."

The opposite of the sound or sober mind of true Christians is spiritual insanity. It is when the spirit is not right and one's mind is not sober or sound. For example, Christ miraculously healed a man that was insane, which (like all of the miracles Christ did) painted this portrait of God's miraculous power to bring healing to the spiritually sick mind through the efficacy of His death and resurrection. i.e., the physical miraculous healing of the insane man was a "sign" or token of the Spiritual healing of our spiritual insanity. e.g.:

Mark 5:1-8
  • "And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
  • And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
  • Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
  • Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
  • And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
  • But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
  • And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
  • For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit."

God uses the demon's control over the mind of this man as a picture of mankind before they are set free of bondage to Satan. The man who was "not in his right mind" was a insane man divinely used of Christ as a token of all those in bondage to the Devil and who dwell in the tombs (presence of death) and who are spiritually as a wild and raging beast that cannot be tamed. Christ's healing of this man is illustrative of the power of God to bring the peace of a sound mind to the Spiritually Insane. This man was miraculously healed as a sign to illustrate Christ's miraculous power in salvation.

Mark 5:15
  • "And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid."

Here again we see the possession of the Devil equated to being unsaved and out of his mind, whereas Christ's healing removes the Devil and heals the sin sick mind. The man was set free of the Devil and given a sober mind, a right mind, the mind of Christ in His blessed hope.

1st Peter 1:13
  • "Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ/i];"

When we are saved we are Spiritually clothed in the righteousness of Christ and SThe sober mind is the right mind. A mind where spiritually (in our right mind) the Devil has been cast out of us. In its pragmatic sense, spiritual insanity is the worldly unsound aversion to reconciliation with God, a mindless rejection of receiving the truth and righteousness, a fool's errand to remain in bondage to the Devil and sin. We could just as easily call it a spiritual foolishness or a spiritual delusion, but it's all pointing to the same unsound spiritual condition or disorder.

2nd Thessalonians 2:9-13
  • "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
  • And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
  • And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
  • That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
  • But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:"

Spiritual delusion or spiritual insanity, the mind that is fooled, beguiled or duped. The moral of this story of 2nd Thessalonians, not all in the church will receive the truth in love, because many don't love the truth. They love self-justification over truth. This strong delusion is a spirit of fraudulence where one a mind that allows them to believe sinful man's lies and deceptions. In practical terms, it is a spirit of straying from orthodoxy or sound Christian principles in this rejection of the truth. How many times have you seen this realized? You witness to someone the obvious and unadulterated truth of Scripture (word for word), and yet they reject God's word of truth for man made interpretations? That's exactly what that passage says, they just won't receive the truth in love. Truly, they don't really know what love is, because to them truth appears loveless, judgmental and arrogant.

These passages are divinely inspired of God to have us recognize the spiritual delusion in the bondage of the Devil. In its truest form, delusion is nothing but man's own deceitful will that moves him to dishonestly work against the truth. The spirit of the beast makes them  spiritually insane, their mind being in spiritual slavery.

By contrast, that last verse reiterates he truth of the sober thinking Christian:

2nd Thessalonians 2:13
  • "But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:"

Beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth.  Therein is the difference between the Elect of the church blessed with sound minds that believe the truth when they hear it, and the false or pseudo Christians with unsound minds deluded to trample the truth under foot in their zeal to justify themselves and their own will. Why? Because unlike the insane man God healed, God did not truly through the Spirit give them a right/sound mind. They merely took His name upon themselves, but never His Spirit. Again:

2nd Timothy 1:7
  • "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."

The Spirit is the power of a sound mind. Christians are to be sober minded, as opposed to having a mind of fearfulness and of confusion and unrest and turmoil, which is this type of spiritual disorder. Spiritual insanity is the secret persona of the Devil within man that provokes and causes fear and unrest where people are careful of many things, the least of which is service to God. Perfect love casts out fear. Hope that helps a little.

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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2018, 05:32:14 AM »
Tony,
   I've only been here a short period of time as you know but I am impressed with the knowledge of scripture I see presented here. My question is what is this spiritual insanity that you and others have referenced from time to time. I've never heard it mentioned anywhere but here so if you could enlighten me, I would be most grateful. Thanks.

It's what we see all over the world today as Satan is loosed to wreck havoc upon society and assure the unfaithful church receives in themselves the name of the beast.

 Pr 23:9  Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.
 10  Remove not the old landmark; and enter not into the fields of the fatherless:
 11 For their redeemer is mighty; he shall plead their cause with thee.
 12  Apply thine heart unto instruction, and thine ears to the words of knowledge.



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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2018, 01:50:12 AM »
Funny how you two can believe in spiritual insanity which isn't even in the bible and no one can prove, but not believe in the gifts of the spirit which is in the bible and is proved every day in the world.

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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2018, 12:16:10 AM »
They believe in the gifts of the spirit, just not in the delusion of modern day tongues. ...which is all kinds of crazy.

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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2018, 02:07:24 AM »
They believe in the gifts of the spirit, just not in the delusion of modern day tongues. ...which is all kinds of crazy.

 )iagree(  Beside, what is Strong Delusion if not spiritual insanity? It's being deceived spiritually concerning your relationship with Christ. It's a irrationality, having a spirit of Satan while thinking you have the spirit of Christ. Even though the two are as diametrically opposed to each other as light is to darkness. If that's not lunacy, crazy, demented and insane, I don't know what is.

But then again, I think there is a lot of spiritual insanity in the church today, and even in this forum.



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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2019, 01:12:48 AM »
Tony,
   I've only been here a short period of time as you know but I am impressed with the knowledge of scripture I see presented here. My question is what is this spiritual insanity that you and others have referenced from time to time.

What others? The fact is, only Tony and Reformer use this term because it's not an actual doctrine, it's something Tony Warren contrived and Reformer latched onto. You don't find it mentioned anywhere in scripture because the author is Tony Warren. My advice would be to go with actual doctrine and allegories that Christ authored, not fancy phrases invented by Tony.


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I've never heard it mentioned anywhere but here so if you could enlighten me, I would be most grateful. Thanks.

There's your first clue sherlock. You've never heard it mentioned because this is the first time you came to the forum and read Tony Warren. He's the only one teaching this. The only insanity is to follow the spiritualized teaching of man. Reformer is calling people fools who take the Bible literally, and I think the fool is those who don't. Was the man Christ healed spiritually insane or literally insane? There is your answer.
 


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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2019, 08:47:42 AM »
George. Do you seriously not understand the concept of being of unsound mind or are you just ranting?

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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2019, 11:47:00 AM »
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George. Do you seriously not understand the concept of being of unsound mind or are you just ranting?

Mila, that is George's MO here. He made emotional ranting, whining, mocking, and criticizing about what Tony, Reformer, me, and others wrote here. He even did not come back and defend his position after we refuted it with our posts. This is how people like him does here.

 
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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2019, 01:18:30 PM »
So sad  :'(

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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2019, 02:33:48 PM »
But is it really that important that we know if miracles have ceased or not? It's not essential is it?

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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2019, 01:13:25 AM »
Mila, that is George's MO here. He made emotional ranting, whining, mocking, and criticizing about what Tony, Reformer, me, and others wrote here.

Her Erik. Don't condemn a guy just because he doesn't get it. I don't get it. Apostolic doesn't get it. I'm sure a whole lot of other people don't get it including the Reformed minister Matt Slick from CARM. Don't make like you are so smart and everyone else is a moron because we don't get it. Many Reformed theologians either say they think miracles still occur or they have no opinion either way. So have some respect for other people's opinions on what they read in scripture.

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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2019, 10:18:50 AM »
Mila, that is George's MO here.

Her Erik. Don't condemn a guy just because he doesn't get it. I don't get it. Apostolic doesn't get it. I'm sure a whole lot of other people don't get it including the Reformed minister Matt Slick from CARM. Don't make like you are so smart and everyone else is a moron because we don't get it.

 )Goodpoint(  Sorry Erik, I don't get it either. I believe in miracles today. If you don't have faith, that's a weakness on your part.

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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2019, 02:45:56 AM »
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My question is what is this spiritual insanity that you and others have referenced from time to time.

What others? The fact is, only Tony and Reformer use this term because it's not an actual doctrine, it's something Tony Warren contrived
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Contrived as in created or arranged in an artificial or unrealistic way? Well, it was deliberately created, but not by me. In truth, Spiritual Insanity is a debilitating sin "condition" of the mind caused by the fall. It is characterized by an unsound, unordered and unreasonable mind. None of us were in our right mind when we were walking around dead in trespass and sin. Our minds were in a state of senselessness and corruption. Sin is the self-defeating behavior of the unsaved fool, because he is unordered, desperately wicked and deceitful above all things. This is not the condition of a man in his right mind, rather it is a mind that is cursed and separated from right thinking. A mind that is not in balance and union with the mind of Christ. Until Christ heals our mind, we are all "not in our right mind."  The lesson of Christ miraculously healing the insane man in the tombs was divinely ordained and used of God as a "token or representation" of all those who are spiritually dead, dwelling in the tombs (presence of death), being set free from their infirmity by being mended and restored to their right mind. As Scripture illustrates that man was as a wild and raging beast in the tombs that couldn't be tamed, so spiritually were we before the regeneration in Christ. Christ's healing of this man was illustrative of the power of God to bring the peace of mind to the Spiritually Insane. As I said previously, this man was miraculously healed as a sign/signification or miracle illustrating Christ's miraculous power in renewing our mind. Again:

Mark 5:15
  • "And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid."

Mental derangement or imbalance (instability or irrationality) God used to "represent" the mind of man"before" he is brought peace and reconciled to God wherein we have the mind of Christ.

Colossians 1:21
  • "And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled."

We were enemies of God in our mind because we weren't right in our mind. Clearly that was before, but now we have been rought peace of mind in reconciliation to God.


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You don't find it mentioned anywhere in scripture because the author is Tony Warren.
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You are correct that you won't find the exact phrase "Spiritual Insanity" mentioned in Scripture. Neither the phrase "Water Baptism." Neither the phrase "Spiritual Bread." Neither the phrase "Spiritual Armor," "Spiritual Serpent," "Spiritual Sword," "Spiritually Deaf," "Spiritual Water," "Spiritual Candlestick," "Spiritual Bondage," "Spiritual Lamb," "Spiritual Nakedness," and a thousand other phrases we all know are "clearly spoken of" in Scriptures and just as clearly authored by God.

Revelation 3:17
  • "Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:"

Yet you won't find the exact phrase "Spiritually Pool, Spiritually Blind or Spiritually Naked" listed anywhere in Scripture. Does that make the actual condition of Spiritual Blindness untrue? And so the phrase not being in Scripture is no more an invalidation of the condition as the phrase "Spiritually Poor," "Spiritually Blind," or "Spiritually Naked" not being in scripture invalidates those quite Biblical phrases. Because what it delineates is Clearly defined "in" Scripture. Really, it's not difficult to understand that the mind is infirmed spiritually, which is the reason that it had to be transformed and renovated (translated renewed) in Christ. Because it was unsound.

Romans 12:2
  • "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

We didn't undergo a simple outward disconformity to the wickedness of the unsaved populace, because even unsaved people can do good outwardly and do virtuous and good things. Rather, there was a inward spiritual mental healing wherein our mind is restored to sound, sober, rational thinking. That we might be obedient, having been renovated to agree with the mind of Christ. The mind is now different in its earnest desire to do the will of God because it is renewed Changed motives, mean and ends in a way unattainable except through the power of the healing of Christ. No longer spiritually our of order, but made whole in Christ.


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My advice would be to go with actual doctrine and allegories that Christ authored, not fancy phrases invented by Tony.
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Sound advice. And since Christ authored the healing of our "Spiritual Insanity," just as surely as He did the healing of our "Spiritual Blindness, Nakedness and Deafness," I would say that's exactly what I am doing. As saith the preacher, the heart of man is full of evil and madness. All men have this madness and folly, even as they will assure you they have no corruption of the mind. That's what delusion is. Nevertheless, being truly of unsound mind, they are indeed in need of a healing.

Ecclessiastes 9:3
  • "This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead."

The Lord makes the sun to shine upon the wicked and the righteous, both have good physical health and infirmity. The only difference is that upon the children of God was bestowed relief from their spiritual malady, a relief from this madness so they might not live out their lives with a mind and spirit of fear. It is only through His sovereign grace and love that we who were once of unsound mind, may live out our lives in a right mind that is atuned to righteousness. Even as the insane man Christ healed in the tombs.

2nd Timothy 1:7
  • "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."

In the Greek "to make" or "to bring" to a sound mind. "That" is what Christ did for us.

 
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He's the only one teaching this. The only insanity is to follow the spiritualized teaching of man.
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The old, he has a Devil and is mad retort? Unknown to you, the devil actually has everything to do with madness. Spiritual Madness.

John 10:20
  • "And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him/i]?"

Not a novel approach because many said the same thing of Christ and His disciples. Ironically they were the ones who had a Devil and were Spiritually Mad. Selah. Nevertheless, the teachings those condemned by the world   were sound of mind and Spirit. But I will agree with you on one thing. No one should follow the spiritualized teachings of man, but they should follow the Spiritualized teachings of God. ...which teachings permeate the entire Bible from beginning to end. e.g.:

Galatians 4:23-24
  • "But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
  • Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar."

The question is, are we of the bondwoman or the free? Are we bound by the flesh or of the Spirit? Are we of the Jerusalem in the middle east or the Jerusalem from above? Were we infirmed by being "Spiritually Blind" and healed by Christ or is this Spiritualizing authored by man?


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Was the man Christ healed spiritually insane or literally insane?
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The man Christ healed was literally insane and God used that to illustrate the Spiritual Insanity that Christ alone could heal. Was the man Lazarus spiritually dead or Physically dead? He was literally dead, and God used that to illustrate the Spiritual Death of man that Christ alone could resurrect him from. This is the very same principle. All miracles that were done in Scripture (every single one) are signs or representative tokens pointing us to some aspect of the nature of the gospel. whether that be putting a man in his right mind or of raising a man from the dead, the sign is of the sin-sick soul being healed spiritually in Christ.

Mar 3:10-11
  • "For he had healed many; insomuch that they pressed upon him for to touch him, as many as had plagues.
  • And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God."

Christ is equating the sicknesses with an evil spirit signifying they were spiritually in bondage to Satan. The evil spirits were subject to Him and when they were cast out the people were healed. That's what happens every time someone is saved. That old Serpent can no longer harm them as they have been set free of him. The point being, the literal miracles they did "represented" spiritual healing. When Christ literally healed the man that was out of his mind and put him in his right mind, that "represented" our spiritual healing wherein we are placed in a right state of mind.

Insanity is defined as being slow mentally as in a form of mental retardation. It is an infirmity that Christ healed just as He healed blindness, the palsy (paralytic), deafness or blindness. To say these healings have nothing to do with spiritual disorders is to dabble in Biblical absurdity. They ALL pointed to the spiritual condition of man that was healed by Christ's stripes. When Christ healed this man with a mental disorder and left him in his right mind, that was an illustration of man being renewed or restore to sound reasoning in the mind of Christ. We now have a mind characterized by us being spiritually wise and reasonable, a mind that is stable because Christ has taken away its infirmity.


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There is your answer.
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Indeed.

Titus 1:15
  • "Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled."

Every mind of every unsaved person is defiled, sick, corrupt, that he cannot think right because he is spiritually unsound. Likewise, every mind of those with the spirit of Christ has had their sanity restored where they think soundly rather than in the previous unsound, disjointed and unbalanced fashion.

2nd Timothy 1:7
  • "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."

"nosce te ipsum"
 
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