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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #105 on: December 02, 2017, 09:46:27 AM »
I'll simply requote something a minister tweeted last week with regards to backing those we know are bad.

"The worst Christians in the world are good Christians who turn their heads when bad things happen."

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #106 on: December 02, 2017, 10:35:21 AM »
This is the most liberal Christian forum I've ever been on. Does Trump lie? Yes. Guess what? Get over it! Politicians lie.

Let me tell you, I don't care if Trump lies every day of the week, contacted the Russians and was lewd to the queen mother of England. I will still support him and the Republicans over any Democrat or liberal. And so will most conservatives. Sometimes the end does justify the means. If his policies keep Israel safe, keep us safe from the muslin horde, keeps us free from being taxed out of existence and keeps us free from government robbing big business and emasculating white men, that's makes it all worth it. So work your mouth all you want, Republicans will stand by our President.

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #107 on: December 02, 2017, 11:22:58 AM »
Believe me, we are not alone in assessing Trump as already the worst President in American history.  All with common sense know this is true.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-worst-president-obama-bush-689873


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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #108 on: December 02, 2017, 01:18:05 PM »
Newsweek is fake news.

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #109 on: December 04, 2017, 03:16:22 AM »
CLARIFICATION of ABC News Special Report: Flynn prepared to testify that President-elect Donald Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians *during the transition*

Major mistake...

Oh, OK. So General Flynn was a Rogue agent not doing what he was told, and the administration had nothing whatsoever to do with this?  ::)

 Are you also going to try and sell me some prime real estate in the Florida Swamp?  :Say_what:
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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #110 on: December 04, 2017, 01:27:12 PM »
CLARIFICATION of ABC News Special Report: Flynn prepared to testify that President-elect Donald Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians *during the transition* -- initially as a way to work together to fight ISIS in Syria, confidant now says. https://t.co/ewrkVZBTbc pic.twitter.com/GQAKwT1Eda

— ABC News (@ABC) December 2, 2017

Major mistake...

Yes, mistake, as opposed to Fake News. Which is something deliberately made up to deceive people. That reporter for his careless error in not tripple checking to know and specifying the whole story was punished, took full responsibility for his error, was suspended and lost his significant pay. See they are held accountable for their mistakes.  As opposed to others who publish and tweet real fake news on a weekly basis, have no consequences and take no responsibility for the lies. You do see the difference don't you?

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #111 on: December 09, 2017, 07:02:36 AM »
CLARIFICATION of ABC News Special Report:
— ABC News (@ABC) December 2, 2017

Yes, mistake, as opposed to Fake News.

Amazing that we have one person here who doesn't know the difference between a major mistake and fake news. A obvious mistake he pounces on with joy, Fake news and he is as silent about it as a church mouse.

Isaiah 29:15
"Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us"?

All church mice beware.

Number one Aquatic, a major mistake by the media is when a someone doesn't check their sources well enough or rushes to publish something they're not sure of, finds out it's a mistake, apologizes and accepts responsibility for their carelessness. FAKE NEWS is when a person deliberately posts or tweets something that everyone knows is not true, and when confronted on their lies, refuses to accept that it's not true and continues to justify it declaring the ends justify the means. You see the difference don't you? Or are you really and truly that blind?

Number two Aquatic, justifying one sneaky and unscrupulous act by saying someone else did the same thing some years ago is deceit. You have already been given the example of that being like your parent telling you you shouldn't steal, and your justification of it is that your friend Bobby was stealing too. What Christian does that? You are an adult I presume. Have you ever heard me justify abortion by saying because Democrats sanctioned it in their administration? Never! Because my mother taught me better when I was a child. It's called integrity. Someone else doing something wrong doesn't justify Trump doing it, or me excusing it because I am conservative. Sadly, that is your blind spot.


And Mr. Herman Stowe, does he see the difference? Probably not!  :'( But  :Goodpoint:  :BibleRead:
  Kellyanne Conway: Sometimes Trump Lies Because
 He Doesn't Know the Truth, Okay?

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #112 on: December 11, 2017, 06:33:44 AM »


Calling A Lie, A Lie
by Dan Berry

Words matter.
And from the moment he became president, Donald J. Trump has unleashed so many of consequence that the public has barely had time to parse their full implication. Words about the dishonest media, the end of Obamacare, the construction of that border wall with Mexico — this is an abbreviated list, and he hasn’t even completed his first week in office.

Amid the verbal deluge, President Trump this week repeated an assertion he made shortly after his election: that millions of ballots cast illegally by undocumented immigrants cost him the popular vote. If true, this would suggest the wholesale corruption of American democracy.
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Not to worry: As far as anyone knows, the president’s assertion is akin to saying that millions of unicorns also voted illegally.
But such a baseless statement by a president challenged the news media to find the precise words to describe it. This will be a recurring challenge, given President Trump’s habit of speaking in sales-pitch hyperbole and his tendency to deride any less-than-flattering report as “fake news.”

The words needed to be exactly right. “And the language has a rich vocabulary for describing statements that fall short of the truth,” said Geoffrey Nunberg, a linguist who teaches at the University of California, Berkeley, School of Information. “They’re ‘baseless,’ they’re ‘bogus,’ they’re ‘lies,’ they’re ‘untruths.'

Rarely are these words, each with its own nuance, applied directly to something said by a president, though others have also dissembled (like Bill Clinton on whether he had sex with an intern). “This is the very unique situation that we find ourselves in as journalists and as a country,” said Joshua Benton, the director of the Nieman Journalism Lab at Harvard University. “We have an administration that seems to be asserting a right to its own facts and doesn’t seem to be able to produce evidence to back those claims.”

Still, carefully chosen words can capture that. “A whole vocabulary has come bubbling up that would not have been used five years ago,” Mr. Nunberg said in an interview. “People are going to have to sit down and decide: Are we going to want to go over the moral consequences of telling an untruth? The mere fact of it being untrue? Or the fact that it’s bogus, baseless or groundless?”

Some news organizations used words like “falsely” or “wrongly” — adverbs that tend to weaken the impact — in framing what the president said. Some used “with no evidence,” or “won’t provide any proof,” or “unverified claims,” or “repeats debunked claim.”

The New York Times, though, ultimately chose more muscular terminology, opting to use the word “lie” in the headline. After initially using the word “falsely,” it switched to “lie” online and then settled on “Meeting With Top Lawmakers, Trump Repeats an Election Lie” for Tuesday’s print edition.

People noticed, and debated its use. That is because, from the childhood schoolyard to the grave, this is a word neither used nor taken lightly. It stands apart from most other terms in the linguistic ballpark of untruths, including “falsehood,” which Chuck Todd, the host of “Meet the Press,” recently used to counter the Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway’s Orwellian phrase, “alternative facts.”

To say that someone has “lied,” an active verb, or has told a “lie,” a more passive, distancing noun, is to say that the person intended to deceive. In addition, Mr. Nunberg said, “a certain moral opprobrium attaches to it, a reprehensibility of motive.”

The question of intent has informed National Public Radio’s approach to covering Mr. Trump’s many disputable claims: that he saw thousands of people in Jersey City cheering as the World Trade Center collapsed on Sept. 11, for example, or that the news media had made up a feud between him and the country’s intelligence agencies, despite his own tweets likening those agencies to Nazi Germany.

On NPR’s “Morning Edition” on Wednesday, Mary Louise Kelly explained that she had looked up the definition of “lie” in the Oxford English Dictionary. “A false statement made with intent to deceive,” Ms. Kelly said. “Intent being the key word there. Without the ability to peer into Donald Trump’s head, I can’t tell you what his intent was. I can tell you what he said and how that squares, or doesn’t, with facts.”

Michael Oreskes, NPR’s senior president for news, supported the decision. In an article on the NPR website, Mr. Oreskes said that “the minute you start branding things with a word like ‘lie,’ you push people away from you.” The inherent risk, he suggested, was that news organizations would be seen as taking sides.

Editors at The Times also consulted dictionaries. And they had some prior experience with the matter, having approved the use of the L word once before in reference to Mr. Trump.

In September, when he grandly announced the findings of a yearslong so-called investigation into what nearly everyone else never doubted — “President Obama was born in the United States, period” — The Times published a Page 1 article with the headline “Trump Gives Up a Lie but Refuses to Repent.”

Dean Baquet, the executive editor of The Times, said that he learned of Mr. Trump’s latest comments in a text message from an editor on Monday night. After consulting with other top editors, he decided that the use of “lie” was warranted.

For Mr. Baquet, the question of intent was resolved, given that Mr. Trump had made the same assertion two months earlier through his preferred mode of communication, the tweet: “In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally.”

(Nota bene: The tweet actually contains what might be considered two untruths — or falsehoods, or erroneous assertions, or bogus claims — since Mr. Trump’s victory was no landslide, but among the closer elections in American history.)

Mr. Baquet said he fully understood the gravity of using the word “lie,” whether in reference to an average citizen or to the president of the United States. He emphasized that it should be used sparingly, partly because the term carries such negative connotations, and partly so that it does not lose potency.

“On the other hand, we should be letting people know in no uncertain terms that it’s untrue,” Mr. Baquet said, referring to the president’s assertion of a voter-fraud epidemic. “He repeated it without a single grain of evidence, and it’s a very powerful statement about the electoral system.”

Mr. Baquet said that emails from readers seemed split on the appropriateness of the word’s use. Meanwhile, Mr. Benton, of the Nieman Journalism Lab, applauded its use as a noun in the Times headline (“Trump Repeats an Election Lie”); in this construction, he said, “the lie can exist as a reality distinct from the speaker’s intention.”

Over all, the tension between the Trump administration and much of the mainstream media is — what’s the word?
Troubling, according to Sara Brady, a crisis-communications specialist based in Florida. She says that a complete breakdown of the already fractious relationship affects everyone.

“The media run the risk of being disrespectful to the president of the United States,” she said. “But the problem is: If he doesn’t get called out in some way, we as Americans are never going to know what’s true and what’s not.”
In other words: Words matter!

Good Article  :word:

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #113 on: December 11, 2017, 02:40:09 PM »
Philly,
Yes quiet as a mouse. Not because I lack an argument, but because arguing politics is futile. Especially with those who don't listen. The reason John doesn't reply anymore.

You said somewhere you would stop with the political talk or at the least tone it down. But a dog to its vomit....

Please give us some peace here?

Thanks

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #114 on: December 11, 2017, 03:34:38 PM »
Philly,
Yes quiet as a mouse. Not because I lack an argument, but because arguing politics is futile. Especially with those who don't listen. The reason John doesn't reply anymore.

John can speak for himself, but he doesn't because he was suspended for violating forum policy, and because of his racist behavior, which was reported and he was called out on and got his poor feelings hurt. His buddy in crime Fred was suspended as well, came back and was more racist than ever. He got banned (I hope for life). Philly Dawg was also suspended for his behavior. So stop talking what you don't know, like Trump and his fake news yaps and yaps to distract. You break the rules you face the consequences. You get your feelings hurt and want to leave because of it, then leave. You've shown your true colors and honest Christians don't need to hear that type of abuse and bigotry here. This isn't Alabama where we pine for the return of slavery. He was also anti-government and anti-baptist for some reason, despite the great Baptists we have here who faithfully teach the doctrines of grace. He did the right thing by removing himself from people who don't tolerate bigotry and race baiting. My friend Judy also removed herself as well because she didn't like our views on homosexuality. Doesn't mean we're going to stop posting them. So the message is, if you don't like the forum discussions or forum policy, or anyone who disagrees with you, go somewhere else where you can preach hate and division all day long. I'm sure that this forum will carry on as long as God wants it to, it's not held up by your lack of integrity, John's bigotry, Judy intolerance or Fred's new vision for Israel. So let's try and stay on Topic, which is Trump's historical numbers of people who think he is the worst President ever. In fact, if you search "Donald Trump" in the Urban Dictionary, the top definition is "America's worst president. Ever."

I rest my case, right on topic.




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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #115 on: December 11, 2017, 11:47:34 PM »
You said somewhere you would stop with the political talk or at the least tone it down.
Thanks

Here's my two cents,
    I don't care "to much" about politics, but I do care about truth. And this is the first President where I see hardly any of it, and who lacks respect and integrity and continually indulges in such clear, cold-blooded, conscious, intentional lies on a historic level. So excuse us if that's quite disturbing in a leader to real Christians.

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #116 on: December 13, 2017, 03:33:48 PM »
OK Lieberman,
Lets have it your way and start calling this place the politicalretreat.

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #117 on: December 13, 2017, 06:02:25 PM »
OK Lieberman,
Lets have it your way and start calling this place the politicalretreat.

Since you're the only one constantly whining, I'd say we can call it a place for Aquatic to whine.

You want some cheese with that whine? : )

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #118 on: December 13, 2017, 07:58:11 PM »
 :smileyBounce: L O L

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #119 on: December 14, 2017, 04:51:00 AM »
I leave politics to others for the most part. I vote since it is a right and not condemned by scriptures, yet I DO NOT look to a man of the flesh to take care of me and my burdens~ I cast them upon the Lord as a believer should do.
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Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Only God knows, but I have my doubts since Bill Clinton was one of the presidents. Economically, he may very well be the best, as far as ruling his spirit, mainly his tongue, he certainly lacks wisdom. But, when I look on the other side of the aisle, (Democrats) I chose between the lesser evils. But, that being said, I refuse to be a strong follower of anyone, (especially politics) and there put my trust, since we are living in the latter days of the last days, we are getting mainly what we deserve, since we as a nation despise God's word the only source of true wisdom. 
"And he shewed me a pure river of water, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb."~Revelation 22:1

In the world to come~there WILL BE "pure pleasures"~river/tree=all that is needed to sustain us Forever! Joy, peace, contentment in its fullest, etc.

 


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