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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2018, 01:50:12 AM »
Funny how you two can believe in spiritual insanity which isn't even in the bible and no one can prove, but not believe in the gifts of the spirit which is in the bible and is proved every day in the world.

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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2018, 12:16:10 AM »
They believe in the gifts of the spirit, just not in the delusion of modern day tongues. ...which is all kinds of crazy.

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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2018, 02:07:24 AM »
They believe in the gifts of the spirit, just not in the delusion of modern day tongues. ...which is all kinds of crazy.

 )iagree(  Beside, what is Strong Delusion if not spiritual insanity? It's being deceived spiritually concerning your relationship with Christ. It's a irrationality, having a spirit of Satan while thinking you have the spirit of Christ. Even though the two are as diametrically opposed to each other as light is to darkness. If that's not lunacy, crazy, demented and insane, I don't know what is.

But then again, I think there is a lot of spiritual insanity in the church today, and even in this forum.



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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2019, 01:12:48 AM »
Tony,
   I've only been here a short period of time as you know but I am impressed with the knowledge of scripture I see presented here. My question is what is this spiritual insanity that you and others have referenced from time to time.

What others? The fact is, only Tony and Reformer use this term because it's not an actual doctrine, it's something Tony Warren contrived and Reformer latched onto. You don't find it mentioned anywhere in scripture because the author is Tony Warren. My advice would be to go with actual doctrine and allegories that Christ authored, not fancy phrases invented by Tony.


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I've never heard it mentioned anywhere but here so if you could enlighten me, I would be most grateful. Thanks.

There's your first clue sherlock. You've never heard it mentioned because this is the first time you came to the forum and read Tony Warren. He's the only one teaching this. The only insanity is to follow the spiritualized teaching of man. Reformer is calling people fools who take the Bible literally, and I think the fool is those who don't. Was the man Christ healed spiritually insane or literally insane? There is your answer.
 


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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2019, 08:47:42 AM »
George. Do you seriously not understand the concept of being of unsound mind or are you just ranting?

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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2019, 11:47:00 AM »
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George. Do you seriously not understand the concept of being of unsound mind or are you just ranting?

Mila, that is George's MO here. He made emotional ranting, whining, mocking, and criticizing about what Tony, Reformer, me, and others wrote here. He even did not come back and defend his position after we refuted it with our posts. This is how people like him does here.

 
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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2019, 01:18:30 PM »
So sad  :'(

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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2019, 02:33:48 PM »
But is it really that important that we know if miracles have ceased or not? It's not essential is it?

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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2019, 01:13:25 AM »
Mila, that is George's MO here. He made emotional ranting, whining, mocking, and criticizing about what Tony, Reformer, me, and others wrote here.

Her Erik. Don't condemn a guy just because he doesn't get it. I don't get it. Apostolic doesn't get it. I'm sure a whole lot of other people don't get it including the Reformed minister Matt Slick from CARM. Don't make like you are so smart and everyone else is a moron because we don't get it. Many Reformed theologians either say they think miracles still occur or they have no opinion either way. So have some respect for other people's opinions on what they read in scripture.

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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2019, 10:18:50 AM »
Mila, that is George's MO here.

Her Erik. Don't condemn a guy just because he doesn't get it. I don't get it. Apostolic doesn't get it. I'm sure a whole lot of other people don't get it including the Reformed minister Matt Slick from CARM. Don't make like you are so smart and everyone else is a moron because we don't get it.

 )Goodpoint(  Sorry Erik, I don't get it either. I believe in miracles today. If you don't have faith, that's a weakness on your part.

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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2019, 02:45:56 AM »
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My question is what is this spiritual insanity that you and others have referenced from time to time.

What others? The fact is, only Tony and Reformer use this term because it's not an actual doctrine, it's something Tony Warren contrived
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Contrived as in created or arranged in an artificial or unrealistic way? Well, it was deliberately created, but not by me. In truth, Spiritual Insanity is a debilitating sin "condition" of the mind caused by the fall. It is characterized by an unsound, unordered and unreasonable mind. None of us were in our right mind when we were walking around dead in trespass and sin. Our minds were in a state of senselessness and corruption. Sin is the self-defeating behavior of the unsaved fool, because he is unordered, desperately wicked and deceitful above all things. This is not the condition of a man in his right mind, rather it is a mind that is cursed and separated from right thinking. A mind that is not in balance and union with the mind of Christ. Until Christ heals our mind, we are all "not in our right mind."  The lesson of Christ miraculously healing the insane man in the tombs was divinely ordained and used of God as a "token or representation" of all those who are spiritually dead, dwelling in the tombs (presence of death), being set free from their infirmity by being mended and restored to their right mind. As Scripture illustrates that man was as a wild and raging beast in the tombs that couldn't be tamed, so spiritually were we before the regeneration in Christ. Christ's healing of this man was illustrative of the power of God to bring the peace of mind to the Spiritually Insane. As I said previously, this man was miraculously healed as a sign/signification or miracle illustrating Christ's miraculous power in renewing our mind. Again:

Mark 5:15
  • "And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid."

Mental derangement or imbalance (instability or irrationality) God used to "represent" the mind of man"before" he is brought peace and reconciled to God wherein we have the mind of Christ.

Colossians 1:21
  • "And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled."

We were enemies of God in our mind because we weren't right in our mind. Clearly that was before, but now we have been rought peace of mind in reconciliation to God.


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You don't find it mentioned anywhere in scripture because the author is Tony Warren.
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You are correct that you won't find the exact phrase "Spiritual Insanity" mentioned in Scripture. Neither the phrase "Water Baptism." Neither the phrase "Spiritual Bread." Neither the phrase "Spiritual Armor," "Spiritual Serpent," "Spiritual Sword," "Spiritually Deaf," "Spiritual Water," "Spiritual Candlestick," "Spiritual Bondage," "Spiritual Lamb," "Spiritual Nakedness," and a thousand other phrases we all know are "clearly spoken of" in Scriptures and just as clearly authored by God.

Revelation 3:17
  • "Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:"

Yet you won't find the exact phrase "Spiritually Pool, Spiritually Blind or Spiritually Naked" listed anywhere in Scripture. Does that make the actual condition of Spiritual Blindness untrue? And so the phrase not being in Scripture is no more an invalidation of the condition as the phrase "Spiritually Poor," "Spiritually Blind," or "Spiritually Naked" not being in scripture invalidates those quite Biblical phrases. Because what it delineates is Clearly defined "in" Scripture. Really, it's not difficult to understand that the mind is infirmed spiritually, which is the reason that it had to be transformed and renovated (translated renewed) in Christ. Because it was unsound.

Romans 12:2
  • "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

We didn't undergo a simple outward disconformity to the wickedness of the unsaved populace, because even unsaved people can do good outwardly and do virtuous and good things. Rather, there was a inward spiritual mental healing wherein our mind is restored to sound, sober, rational thinking. That we might be obedient, having been renovated to agree with the mind of Christ. The mind is now different in its earnest desire to do the will of God because it is renewed Changed motives, mean and ends in a way unattainable except through the power of the healing of Christ. No longer spiritually our of order, but made whole in Christ.


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My advice would be to go with actual doctrine and allegories that Christ authored, not fancy phrases invented by Tony.
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Sound advice. And since Christ authored the healing of our "Spiritual Insanity," just as surely as He did the healing of our "Spiritual Blindness, Nakedness and Deafness," I would say that's exactly what I am doing. As saith the preacher, the heart of man is full of evil and madness. All men have this madness and folly, even as they will assure you they have no corruption of the mind. That's what delusion is. Nevertheless, being truly of unsound mind, they are indeed in need of a healing.

Ecclessiastes 9:3
  • "This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead."

The Lord makes the sun to shine upon the wicked and the righteous, both have good physical health and infirmity. The only difference is that upon the children of God was bestowed relief from their spiritual malady, a relief from this madness so they might not live out their lives with a mind and spirit of fear. It is only through His sovereign grace and love that we who were once of unsound mind, may live out our lives in a right mind that is atuned to righteousness. Even as the insane man Christ healed in the tombs.

2nd Timothy 1:7
  • "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."

In the Greek "to make" or "to bring" to a sound mind. "That" is what Christ did for us.

 
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He's the only one teaching this. The only insanity is to follow the spiritualized teaching of man.
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The old, he has a Devil and is mad retort? Unknown to you, the devil actually has everything to do with madness. Spiritual Madness.

John 10:20
  • "And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him/i]?"

Not a novel approach because many said the same thing of Christ and His disciples. Ironically they were the ones who had a Devil and were Spiritually Mad. Selah. Nevertheless, the teachings those condemned by the world   were sound of mind and Spirit. But I will agree with you on one thing. No one should follow the spiritualized teachings of man, but they should follow the Spiritualized teachings of God. ...which teachings permeate the entire Bible from beginning to end. e.g.:

Galatians 4:23-24
  • "But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
  • Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar."

The question is, are we of the bondwoman or the free? Are we bound by the flesh or of the Spirit? Are we of the Jerusalem in the middle east or the Jerusalem from above? Were we infirmed by being "Spiritually Blind" and healed by Christ or is this Spiritualizing authored by man?


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Was the man Christ healed spiritually insane or literally insane?
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The man Christ healed was literally insane and God used that to illustrate the Spiritual Insanity that Christ alone could heal. Was the man Lazarus spiritually dead or Physically dead? He was literally dead, and God used that to illustrate the Spiritual Death of man that Christ alone could resurrect him from. This is the very same principle. All miracles that were done in Scripture (every single one) are signs or representative tokens pointing us to some aspect of the nature of the gospel. whether that be putting a man in his right mind or of raising a man from the dead, the sign is of the sin-sick soul being healed spiritually in Christ.

Mar 3:10-11
  • "For he had healed many; insomuch that they pressed upon him for to touch him, as many as had plagues.
  • And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God."

Christ is equating the sicknesses with an evil spirit signifying they were spiritually in bondage to Satan. The evil spirits were subject to Him and when they were cast out the people were healed. That's what happens every time someone is saved. That old Serpent can no longer harm them as they have been set free of him. The point being, the literal miracles they did "represented" spiritual healing. When Christ literally healed the man that was out of his mind and put him in his right mind, that "represented" our spiritual healing wherein we are placed in a right state of mind.

Insanity is defined as being slow mentally as in a form of mental retardation. It is an infirmity that Christ healed just as He healed blindness, the palsy (paralytic), deafness or blindness. To say these healings have nothing to do with spiritual disorders is to dabble in Biblical absurdity. They ALL pointed to the spiritual condition of man that was healed by Christ's stripes. When Christ healed this man with a mental disorder and left him in his right mind, that was an illustration of man being renewed or restore to sound reasoning in the mind of Christ. We now have a mind characterized by us being spiritually wise and reasonable, a mind that is stable because Christ has taken away its infirmity.


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There is your answer.
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Indeed.

Titus 1:15
  • "Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled."

Every mind of every unsaved person is defiled, sick, corrupt, that he cannot think right because he is spiritually unsound. Likewise, every mind of those with the spirit of Christ has had their sanity restored where they think soundly rather than in the previous unsound, disjointed and unbalanced fashion.

2nd Timothy 1:7
  • "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."

"nosce te ipsum"
 
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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2019, 03:26:00 AM »
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But is it really that important that we know if miracles have ceased or not?
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Well, is the truth that important? I mean how do you know what is untrue if you can't really understand what is the truth? And why it is the truth? If they have ceased, then there is a reason they have ceased. And if they have not ceased, then there is a reason why they have not ceased. If Mark 16 says these signs will follow them that believe, and you believe but they don't follow you, then of necessity you must ask yourself, why! That's imperative, isn't it?  Was the statement in Mark true? How was it true? When Christ sent the Seventy out in twos as "Two Witnesses," was Christ declaring that literal snakes and scorpions couldn't harm them, or was He actually declaring that the serpent that is that spirit Satan couldn't harm them? And does that not agree with the sign Christ said in Mark chapter 16 would follow them that believe? Was it that believers can't get bitten by serpents or scorpions, or was it that they can't be harmed by the real enemy, which is that spirit Satan?

Luke 10:17-20
  • "And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
  • And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
  • Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
  • Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven."

Is it important that we know and understand this? Of course it is. Why else would Christ be telling us this but that we understand the real miracle is not power to handle snakes without being bitten, but power that that old snake Satan cannot harm us. That is the sign that will follow them that believe, NOT that they can drink poison, handle snakes and cure cancer. Have you ever stubbed your toe?

Psalms 91:11-12
  • "For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
  • They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone."

And so you understand that God was not teaching that no believer would ever dash their foot against a stone, correct? So you already understand the Spiritual nature of the gospel. It is important that we grow in grace rather than digress and become just like the world in carnal, physical, worldly, temporal things that are of little import.


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It's not essential is it?
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That phrase "not essential" is exploited, misused and misemployed way too much in my view. Is truth essential? I think it is. Is it essential that we have an earnest desire to know the will of God and the false narrative of miracle-working? Again, I think so. If you mean does our measure of understanding of the true nature of miracles determine our salvation, then f course the answer is no. If you mean is the sign of miracles underlying the healing of our spiritual position essential (meaning structural, important, fundamental, and indeed axiomatic, etc.) then I would say yes. For God desires that we have this knowledge that we might walk in the Spirit and not the flesh, in truth and not in error. Else why else would He have inspired it written in Holy Canon?

Colossians 1:8-10
  • "Who also declared unto us your love in the Spirit.
  • For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
  • That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;"

It's the whole point of the Holy Scriptures. Our knowledge of the truth through the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For this cause, we search the Scriptures to see if these things are true or not. We do not throw our hands up in defeat declaring who can know. We can know the truth because that is what the Spirit of God in us is for.

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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2019, 07:16:05 AM »
 )preach_(  )Bible-Red( There's an explosion of spiritual insanity in the church today. Little truth, little soul searching, lots of hypocrisy, crazy justifications and no sober thinking. And they think we're mad?  )Say_what(

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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2019, 10:05:14 AM »

God has blessed you Tony Warren  )GoodPopst(

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Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2019, 11:43:25 AM »
Quote from: Frank Mortimer"
There's an explosion of spiritual insanity in the church today. Little truth, little soul searching, lots of hypocrisy, crazy justifications and no sober thinking. And they think we're mad?

Boom! Not only in the church but also with some people right here on the forum.

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." (Isaiah 55:8-9)

 


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