There have been homosexuals since the beginning of time, nothing has changed.
Something has changed. And it is the attitude
of the people towards it. Both in and out of the Church (I'm sorry to say).
You people just grab hold of anything and try and connect it to the end times.
Not at all. You have to be blind (spiritually speaking) to not recognize that the end is near. Yes, there have been homosexuals in the world for a long time, but it has never
been the open worldwide acceptance of this un-natural perversion that we have today. That makes it not only "different," but vastly different. In fact, there is a conscious unbridled effort to put a homosexuality on the front burner in almost every situation to promote its acceptance. And it has worked not only in the world, but in the Church as well. I have never heard so many professing Christians excusing (or in some instances justifying) homosexuality, as I hear today. Some even out and out saying that we should just accept gay people for what they are. Accept? What does that even mean? This change of attitude and consciousness didn't just happen overnight, it's the old boiling frog syndrome.
People have been conditioned
over time that their conscience doesn't bother them about this anymore. Just like sexual immorality is so acceptable today that no Church will even tough the issue. That is the seduction
of great serpent, to boil the frog and mislead people through the great love-lie. That any speaking against it is unloving or judgmental. That things are not so bad because its always been this way and there is nothing to be feared, not even God. in short, the doctrine of Satan the great liar!1st Timothy 4:1-2
- "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
- Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;"
The conscience of the Church today is unconscionable,
having been seduced by the world's visions of freedoms, lifestyles and lack of moral absolutes!
From the world right up into the Church, with its members denying the signs as proverbial Ostriches with their heads in the ground.
I heard someone preaching today that the growing worldwide homosexual movement was another example of signs of the times. They said that it shows that the end of the world is near and the Lord is coming back soon. Is growing homosexuality a sign of the times?
There is no question in my mind that the growing gay movement of rampant
homosexuality is a sign
of the end? Yes, I believe that this is absolutely correct. Because it is a very clear indicator (sign) of the unbridled deterioration of the Godly order of things and the utter bankruptcy of morality in society. And you would think that a Church designed to be in tune with discernment and with the mind of Christ would be able to see this as signs. But like God's people before them, they are blind to the signs thinking all is well in the Church, and the world is as it ever was. Not So!
the signs they are looking for will never occur, but the true signs are all about us.Matthew 16:1-3
- "The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.
- He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.
- And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?"
Selah! Far from discerning the times, most Churches refuse to preach at all on the sin, and even preach tacit acceptance of it because anything less (they reason) would be unloving and judgmental. They are already seduced by the spirit of antichrist, and they don't even know it. Ever learning and unable to come to the knowledge of truth, just as their unsaved brethren outside the camp. You probably could count on one hand the number of Churches that would openly preach
that homosexuality is a Perverse, Unnatural, Vile, Abhorrent, Detestable, Abomination to God. In fact, just my typing those words probably "offends" them and paints me as judgmental. Because
they have effectively been seduced, deceived or brain washed by the world, to think like the world.
You people just grab hold of anything and try and connect it to the end times.
No, the characteristic of the end times is not "anything" but the decay or corruption of the world and judgment of the Church (judgment begins there) as Satan is loosed from his restraint to deceive. And what God fearing Christian will deny that rampant homosexuality is a direct sign of that decay, deterioration and corruption of society as it forsakes all the inherit laws of God. As it turns the order of things upside down. This decay and corruption is just as much a sign of God's judgment as it was in the days of Noah.Genesis 6:11-13
- "The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
- And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
- And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth."
God is immutable. He doesn't change His Modus Operandi. Indeed, these things are written as examples for our admonishment, our understanding and our consideration. As the earth deteriorates, the world becomes full of violence or wrong doing, where there is corruption of God's nature and offenses and violence against God. And shall God forebear? well, He has been forebearing, but ultimately He will give them up. as it is written, How long, O Lord, holy and true, will thou not judge and avenge the blood of the prophets on them that dwell on the earth? The answer is, only until the last elect is sealed and all Israel is saved. then the restraint is lifted and God gives man up to his vile immorality. Thus homosexuality may seem to triumphant for a season, but the end thereof is just as it was in Sodom. It's no coincidence that Sodom is equated with Sodomy or homosexuality. Are we to think that God highlights
the contemptible sin of Homosexuality in Sodom before destroying it as, just coincidental?
As hard as that might be to believe, there are those who believe just homosexuality in Sodom is just miscellaneous. Of no import. But for those who can discern more than the face of the sky, it was written for a reason, signifying the corruption and perversion of man. It is a sign. Moreover, God uses these same examples of both Noah and Sodom
when prophesying the coming of the Lord and the end of days. Specifically because
they both denote the corruption and vile affections of the world, the rampant abominations in the earth as Sodomy. Luke 17:25-29
- "But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.
- And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
- They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
- Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
- But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all."
The days of Noah, when the world was continially evil and in unchecked degradation, is equated to the day that the Lord would return to destroy the wicked. are we listening. Were they listening then? No, they were eating and drinking pretending everything was as normal. They didn't see the signs either. Noah was saved by the Ark of the Covenant, upon which He was found safe and secure in Christ.1st Peter 3:19-20
- "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
- Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."
Likewise, the days of Sodom and the deterioration of that society from the natural order in rank wickedness and homosexuality, are also equated (by Christ)
to the day that the Lord would return. And Lot was saved by the Messenger of God who forced
him to leave his house and kin and depart that city, lest he receive of the Lord's judgment there. The world today is likewise morally bankrupt with the same filtiness of Sodom. And nothing in the word of God is there by coincidence, not God's illustrating the earth's corruption and needing to be destroyed, or the Lord illustrating Sodom's rampant homosexuality and that city's needed destruction. Nor uis it coincidence His use of both as examples (signs) of His coming again and the end of the world. Our society today is continually evil as in the days of Noah, and is deteriorating with rampant homosexuality as in the days of Sodom. It can only mean the judgment thereof is nigh. Man rejected serving God, and instead serves only themselves, the creation rather than the creator. the carnal image of the beast. It is the pleasure principle, where whatever feels right is done, regardless of the natural law or the order of God's creation. And when this happens, God gives us up, or in other words, takes away His hand of restraint in judgment. His principles do not change, man does.Romans 1:25-27
- "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
- For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
- And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."
God calls these vile affections, but the Church just rolls its eyes as conducts business as usual. Bible-believing Christians must be prepared to face that deterioration of the world and Church and the trials and tribulations
of same. With their eyes on Christ, and not the Church, they must discern the signs of the times. their head toward heaven, and not looking toward the earth in fear after those things which are coming on the earth. a prelude to the Lord's soon return. For the powers of heaven shall be shaken, the Church devastated. Signs are spiritual, in the heavens and in the earth. And only those with their eyes toward heaven will see them.
The signs of the times are clear, and the worldwide sickness of homosexuality tops the list. maybe the question should be, who knows homosexuality is a sign of the end times?
worldwide Homosexuality in the corruption of the earth and God's order of things is indeed a sign. But only if your head is kept to the sky to discern its face. How long O Lord!
Sin is sin and it think it is a mistake to only single out homosexuality.
Sin is sin. But that doesn't mean there is not greater and lessor sin. When Sodom was first constructed, I'm sure there was some sin there, as there has always been sin. And God didn't judge it. Nevertheless,
when that sin became so bad as to encompass the entire city where it became a festering stench in the nostrils of God, He could forebear no longer, but destroyed that city because of it. And He bore witness of it as an example
for His people of the vile affections and consequent judgment. When sin comes to the full, God bbrings His judgment upon that house.
So I believe your whole premise that sin is sin (implying the amount doesn't matter), is flawed. Moreover, the sin of Homosexuality is singled out by God
in Sodom, not his witnesses. God authored scripture. And the Church has understood that about Sodom for centuries. Now suddenly are we to just say "sin is sin" and the homosexuality in Sodom is not the issue there? And if it is the issue there, it most certainly is the issue here. Because when God gives people up, that is exactly what happens.
The fact that it was "in the closet" doesn't lessen the sin, for nothing can be hidden in from God.
No, but the fact that throughout most of the earth's history, it was considered vile and remained in the closet, illustrated man's understanding of this and the fear of God in openly practicing it. Like a criminal fears to openly let everyone know he's a criminal. he fears the judge. Likewise, the fear of God is lacking in society today, vastly different from the past. It's not about lessening sin, it's about the earth becoming so corrupt that there is no fear of God to keep it in the closet, so to speak.Matthew 24:12-13
- "And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
- But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
Love in what sense? In the sense of loving God where we have a healthy fear of God as all the prophets of old did. Signs? we better believe it. Iniquity shall about. inside and outside the Church, even as it did in the days of Noah. Because let us not forget, God is the one who restrains sin, and who gives them up to it. And when Satan is loosed he does what? He deceives the world, and then attacks the camp of the saints.
But as sin goes, lying appears to top the list as a characteristic most closely aligned with Satan.
There are all kinds of lies, and Satan is the father of them all. The lie that divorce is acceptable. First in the world, and then in the Church. The lie that women are equal to men and thus should be rulers over men. First in the world, and then in the Church. The lie that love means not offending anyone. First in the world and then in the Church. The lie that Homosexuality is just another sin, and should not be singled out as detestably unnatural. First in the world, and then in the Church. yes, as sin goes, lying appears to be at the top of the list. And the world is full of them. That's why homosexuality is so rampant today. And speaking of signs:2nd Thessalonians 2:9-12
- "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
- And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
- And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
- That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
and "lying wonders" does the sinful man (or man of sin) come with, that works by the spirit of Satan? What strong delusion? Is it the speech of the world, telling people what they want to hear, rather than what the word of God says? the delusion is that they believe it. they believe in divorce, free will, homosexuality, women Preachers, etc., etc. They are eating and drinking as if nothing has changed and thew rampant rise in open homosexuality of the world is business as usual? Why? Because they believe the lie and cannot discern the signs. the love of God has waxed cold and iniquity abounds. he who letteth has been taken out of the midst. God has given them up. And the great lie is that, the false prophets are saying Peace, Peace, when there is no peace. Show us a sign, when the signs are clearly seen. Even as Lot's righteous soul was vexed by the vile things going on in Sodom, his family could not see, nor would they come out. The lesson is that some see Sodom for what it is, and others have no fear that it will ever be judged, nor that there is ever a call to come out. Selah!
"nosce te ipsum
"I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the Lord; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah. -Psalms 32:5"