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Islam Verses Christianity
« on: August 14, 2003, 08:40:55 AM »
What is the difference between the Muslim religion and the Christian religion? There have been excesses in both, haven't there? I hear Christians say that their god is the only true god, but that's easy to say isn't it. What makes Christianity any better than Islam? And don't say because it is, because that's not an answer. Are the Jews better than the Arabs?
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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2003, 03:56:55 PM »
Dryfus,

Without going into any great length, the simple answer is that Muslims have no Savior.  Without Christ, the Redeemer you are without hope.  Christ alone is the Savior, and only the Christian faith acknowledges that without Him you are without eternal life.  

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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2003, 04:30:41 PM »
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I hear Christians say that their god is the only true god, but that's easy to say isn't it. What makes Christianity any better than Islam? And don't say because it is, because that's not an answer. Are the Jews better than the Arabs?

Dryfus,

Today, Jews are not better than Arabs. They are as wicked as any people on earth. 

Yes, there is one true God. I recommend that you read Tony Warren's study:

http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/bible/only_one_saviour.shtml


"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." (Isaiah 55:8-9)

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Re: Islam Verses Christianity
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2003, 10:52:12 PM »
Dryfus,
There is only one empty tomb.
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Re: Islam Verses Christianity
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2003, 10:43:13 AM »
What is the difference between the Muslim religion and the Christian religion? There have been excesses in both, haven't there? I hear Christians say that their god is the only true god, but that's easy to say isn't it. What makes Christianity any better than Islam? And don't say because it is, because that's not an answer. Are the Jews better than the Arabs?

That was a good explanation by Tony Warren. I hope you read it. The difference between Islam and Christianity is that they have no real answer for the sins of man. Sins must be paid for, and they have no answer for how they can be paid for. Sins can't be forgotten, they can't be paid off by penance, and they can't be erased by good deeds. No other religion has an answer to the sin problem except Christianity.

 Acts 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

 Only in Christ is there atonement for sins. Without which, man is under the wrath of God.

"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." -Matthew 1:21

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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2003, 08:34:34 PM »
THE ISLAMIC BIBLE, THE "HOLY KORAN," TEACHES SUCH THINGS AS THESE:

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Sura 4.84 "Fight in Allah's cause...It may be that Allah will restrain the
fury of the unbelievers..."
Fighting in Allah's cause means fighting
anyone, anywhere, at home and abroad, who is not a Muslim. Peace between
Muslims and the rest of the world is never a genuine peace. Their religion
demands warfare whenever they are sure the odds are in their favor.


Sura 4.89 "They [all who are not Muslims, and are referred to as
"unbelievers"] but wish that ye should reject faith, as they do, and thus
be on the same footing as they. So take not friends from their ranks until
they flee in the way of Allah from what is forbidden. But if they turn
renegades, seize them and slay them where ever you find them; and in any
case take no friends from their ranks."


If you think you can do something "nice" for a Muslim, and thereby make a
true friend, think again. If a Muslim makes friends with anyone who is not
a Muslim, he has broken a law of Islam, and gone against his god, Allah.
So, if he is a true believer in Islam, he will never do that. He may appear
to be your friend as long as he can use that "friendship" to his own
benefit, or the benefit of his kind (the Koran permits that). But never
turn your back to him.


Sure 9.16 "Take none for friends and protectors except Allah, His
Messenger, and the community of Believers [Muslims]."


THE ROOTS OF ISLAM - THE DEEP ROOTS


The Arabians are descendants of Abraham's illegitimate son, Ishmael.
Abraham's foolishness was great, not having the patience to wait upon the
Lord for a son and heir. But because, in general, Abraham was true to God,
and though there would be no covenant for Ishmael's people, still he was
his son; God promised to bless the lad. And He did.


"And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and
will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes
shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation" (Gen. 17:20).


"Now these are the generations of Ishmael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the
Egyptian, Sarah's handmaid, bare unto Abraham" (Gen. 25:12):


"And these are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according
to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and
Adbeel, and Mibsam" (Gen. 25:13),


"And Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa" (Gen. 25:14),


"Hadar, and Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah" (Gen. 25:15):


"These are the sons of Ishmael, and these are their names, by their towns,
and by their castles; twelve princes according to their nations" (Gen.
25:16).


"And these are the years of the life of Ishmael, an hundred and thirty and
seven years: and he gave up the ghost and died; and was gathered unto his
people" (Gen. 25:17).


"And they dwelt from Havilah unto Shur, that is before Egypt, as thou goest
toward Assyria: and he died in the presence of all his brethren" (Gen.
25:18).


But God also foretold how it would be with Ishmael and his descendants:


"And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and
shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath
heard thy affliction" (Gen. 16:11).


"And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every
man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his
brethren" (Gen. 16:12).


This Bible prophecy is short and to the point. It accurately describes the
people of the Middle East. A few thousand years later along came Muhammad,
dreamed up a new religion, molded a number of independent and quarreling
Ishmaelite tribes into one body, which would be as much political as
religious, and launched a campaign to conquer the world for "Allah" - at
the point of a sword - in much of the Middle East, Europe, Africa, and
beyond. They were known as "Mohammedans." Before the Mohammedans were
driven back into the Arabian deserts, many people converted to Islam, and
many died because they wouldn't.


ISLAM IS NOT ONE OF THE THREE GREAT ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS


The elite of this nation, the educators and liberal ecclesiastics, have
been duped into believing that Islam is one of "three great religions which
have descended from Abraham." On the internet you can even find a picture
of the Pope kissing a copy of the Koran! A short time ago, it became public
knowledge that the University of North Carolina was going to compel their
students to read a book explaining the "truth" about the Koran. This book,
however, is strongly biased in favor of the Koran and Islam. Watching TV
interviews with various experts on Islam, one gets the feeling that there
is an effort in this nation, if not to win converts to Islam, then at least
to portray that religion as equal to, or greater than, Christianity. Young
people are being targeted. In one school in California, children must wear
Islamic clothing, recite the Koran, and pray in the Islamic fashion. This
is a dangerous trend. If Abraham knew that he is being credited with
fathering Islam, he would be turning over in his grave. Some of the leaders
of institutions in this country have no idea what deadly seed they are
planting in the minds of the young and the more unwary.


THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR. ISLAM IS A FALSE RELIGION


You don't have to be a Christian, or even religious at all, to prove that
Muhammad was a gigantic fraud, that "Allah" was a creature of Muhammad's
own imagination, and that the Koran isn't worth the paper it's written on.
Muhammad apparently had ambitions to be a prophet, and a great prophet at
that. In fact, he wanted to be the greatest prophet that ever lived, or
that ever will live. He wanted to be even greater than Jesus Christ.


That presented a serious problem, but it was a problem which he solved in
his own way. His solution should have exposed him as a cheat and a liar
but, because followers of the blind seldom pay attention to details, he got
what he wanted. Over a billion people think of him as the holiest of all
prophets, and Islam as the greatest of all religions.

This was His problem:

he couldn't deny that Jesus existed; else how could he be greater than
someone who never was? So to be greater than Jesus, he was forced to
acknowledge that Jesus existed. However, he denied that Jesus was the Son
of God, who came in the flesh. That means that Muhammad operated in the
spirit of you-know-who. "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus
Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of
antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already
is it in the world" (1 John 4:3).


By claiming Abraham as the father of his religion, and Jesus as the prophet
who preceded him, who announced "glad tidings" of his arrival, Muhammad set
himself up as the ultimate Messenger and Prophet of the final and "most
complete religion." He thereby fabricated the worst and most blasphemous
cult that ever existed. Far worse than Buddhism, or any of the other
Eastern religions which make no such deceitful claims.


According to Muhammad, the Koran comes directly from "Allah" through the
angel Gabriel. Muhammad recognized the Bible as the Word of God that came
down through the prophet Moses to the "people of the Book.". Muhammad also
recognized Jesus as a righteous prophet of God. But watch how this is going
to trip him up - not that anyone ever noticed.


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Sura 6.85 "And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of
the righteous."


Believe it or not, he acknowledged the Gospel of Jesus as legitimate:


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Sura 2:3 It is He who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book,
Confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Torah (of Moses) and
the Gospel (of Jesus).


But notice the great contradiction. To Muhammad, Jesus was nothing more
than an ordinary prophet or messenger, no greater than any other prophet:


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4.171 "Christ Jesus the son of Mary was no more than a Messenger of
Allah..."


He condemns to everlasting hell anyone who claims that Jesus is the Son of
God, or that He is the only begotten Son of God, or that He died on the
cross for the sins of the world:


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Sura 4.48 "...to set up partners with Allah [Jesus Christ or the Holy
Spirit] is to devise a sin most heinous indeed."


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Sura 5.72 "Certainly they disbelieve who say: 'Allah is Christ the son of
Mary.' But said Christ: 'O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and
your Lord.' Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the
Garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be
no one to help.


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9.17 Those who believe in the holy Trinity shall dwell in the fire.


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9.30 Christians who call Christ the Son of God have Allah's curse on them.
"The Jews call Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the Son
of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; In this they but imitate what
the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are
deluded away from the truth."


But in the Gospels - which Muhammad recognizes - there are so many
references to Jesus being the Son of God, even by Jesus Himself, that if
all these were not in the Gospel there would be no Gospel. But Muhammad
chose to believe otherwise.


So Jesus, then, made claims that would condemn Him to eternal fire! How,
then, could He also be a righteous Messenger of God? "Allah" was definitely
confused.  And being confused, he could not be God.

The "Glorious" Koran, a book loaded with super-pious platitudes, endorses
warfare, murder, torture, world conquest, rape of women taken captive,
suicide, heaven with beautiful "spouses" for those who "fight and die for
"Allah." These are carrots-on-a-stick to encourage daring and recklessness
in battle. Even suicide bombings are the result of desperate
methods of warfare, by which the bomber merits entry into his "heaven." The
ultimate goal of the Koran is to force conversion of the whole world to
Islam, peacefully if possible, otherwise by coercion, enslavement, torture,
murder, or any other means available. Muhammad has managed to dupe many
theological intellectuals by claiming that his religion is monotheistic.
But if you read the Koran closely enough, you find that, while he
supposedly worshiped one Allah, he himself created this "one Allah" and, of
course, made himself the nearest thing to Allah.


Whatever this Arabian took in hand to do was authorized and blessed by
"Allah" in the Koran (Which is very easy when you write your own Koran).
All believers (Muslims) must obey and believe in Muhammad or suffer doom,
both here, and in the hereafter. He claims to believe in only one Allah,
without Holy Spirit, and no Son. But when Allah speaks in the Koran, he
often uses the term "We." We did this, and We did that. Who is the other
member of this "We?" Sometimes it seems to be Muhammad.


Muhammad denounces anyone who joins partners with Allah, but notice how he
himself works in partnership with Allah on important political issues:


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9.3: "Allah and his Messenger dissolves treaty obligations with the
Pagans."


Muhammad positions himself as partner with Allah. He does not say such
things as "thus sayeth the Word of Allah." He rather speaks as an equal of
Allah. But Muhammad insists Allah has no partners. What he really says is
that Allah has no partners except Muhammad. Believers are always admonished
to obey "Allah" and the "Prophet." To disobey the Prophet could spell
eternal damnation:


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4.13 Those who obey Allah and His Messenger will be admitted to the Gardens
with rivers flowing beneath...


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4.14 But those who disobey Allah and His Messenger and transgress His
limits will be admitted to a fire, to abide therein...

Allah gives Muslims the authority to chastise anyone who rejects faith -
the faith of Islam:
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"And proclaim grievous chastisement to those who reject
faith."
This is characteristic of Islam. They have taken it upon
themselves, in accordance with the Koran, to reform the whole world,
usually by force.


Christians, on the other hand, are never commanded to visit "grievous
chastisement" upon those who sin, or reject faith. If they are members of
an assembly, they are, at most, to be expelled, after which they are to be
left alone. A good example is (1 Cor 5).


THE ISLAMIC GOSPEL: CONVERT OR DIE!


Sura 9.5: Certain months are set aside when fighting is forbidden.
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"But
when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans where
ever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for
them in every stratagem of war. But if they repent, and establish regular
prayers, and pay Zakat then open the way for them: for Allah is
oft-forgiving, most merciful."
If they repent, establish regular prayers,
and pay Zakat... This means that they are allowed to live only if they
convert to Islam! This is an interesting verse. Acts of terrorism are part
of any strategem of war. With Muslims, there is no honor in battle. And
forget about fairness, and "rules of engagement." That's for all the GI's,
and other heroes. Muslims prefer to abide by the Koran, and sneak, lie,
cheat, deceive, lie in wait, and do anything else to gain advantage. That's
the meaning of "stratagem." Coalition forces are even now finding that out
in the aftermath of victory in Iraq. Almost every day Muslims approach U.S.
soldiers on one pretense or another, and then open fire with whatever
weapon they have available. Are they criminals? In our eyes, yes. But to
their own, they are heroes, fighting for "Allah." Terrorism, even suicide
bombings, is justified by the Koran in that Islam is perpetually at war
with those of other faiths. They spread their Gospel with AK47's.


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Sure 9.6: "Give asylum to Pagans only for the purpose of converting them to
Islam."
Study the Koran carefully. Sometimes it voices words of peace and
reconciliation with the unbelieving world (non-Muslims), but by and large,
the ultimate goal of Muslims is to convert the whole world to Islam; and
not necessarily by peaceful means.


The Koran gives no one a chance to resist conversion to Islam. We read from
9.5 that Muslims are to slay the Pagans wherever they find them.

 
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9:11 "But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and pay Exact they
are your brethren in Faith..."

One can imagine that people have succumbed under threats, and became
Muslims, not because they believed in Islam, but to escape possible torture
and death. Later, if they made an attempt to break away, they have
"violated their oaths," and Muslims must fight them.


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Sure 9.29: "Fight those who believe not in Allah or the last day...until
they pay the Jizra with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

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Sure 9.123 "O ye who believe, Fight the unbelievers who are near to you And
let them find harshness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear
Him."

Christians persecute and make war when they disobey the Bible; Muslims
persecute and make war when they obey the Koran. If a Muslim is peaceful,
he is so in spite of his religion, not because of it.


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Sure 4.95 "Not equal are those believers who sit at home, except those who
are disabled. And those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with
their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those
who strive and fight with their persons and goods..."


SEVENTY-TWO VIRGINS?


I don't know the actual number Muhammad proposes, but waiting in heaven for
Muslims who "do righteousness" such as fight for Allah and His Messenger,
are "spouses purified."


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Sure 4.57 "...those who believe and do righteousness, we shall soon admit
to the Gardens, with rivers flowing beneath - their eternal home: Therein
shall they have spouses purified..."


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Sure 52:17 "As to the righteous, They will be in gardens, and in happiness."


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Sure 52:20 "They will recline with ease upon couches arranged in ranks; and
We shall wed them to maidens, with beautiful big and lustrous eyes."

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Sure 52.24 "Round about them will serve, devoted to them, youths handsome
as pearls well-guarded."
So when you hear of an Arabian princess donating money for the cause of Muslim terrorists, don't blame her; she is merely being faithful to her religion.

"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free"



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Re: Islam Verses Christianity
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2004, 09:24:49 AM »
Islam and Christianity, What's the difference!


http://www.inplainsite.org/html/islam_and_christianity_.html


Fundamentalism: Contrasting Christianity and Islam



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Re: Islam Verses Christianity
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2004, 04:24:21 AM »
The difference is that one is of God, and the other is at enmity with God. I know that's not the politically correct thing to say, but too bad. It's the truth.

When are Christians going to admit that they are so sick and tired of all the politically correct garbage going on in the media (particularly CNN) about the religion of Islam. This religion is not only ungodly, it's dangerous and is spreading across the world like wildfire. Christians need to wake up before it's too late. I read an article today located at:

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles2/SpencerIslam.php

Read it. It's called "The Vatican's New Realism about Islam", and it shows that even the out-stretched arms of the Roman Catholic Church is being pulled back. Even they are finally coming to their senses about the violent threat of this religion. Maybe too late. This is just another reminder of a dark secret that the media will not give 1 minute of air time to show. The persecution and abuse of Christians by Islam all around the world. This article is just a sample of what's going on. If Christians were doing that, very TV network on the face of the earth would be covering it. I'm so tired of people trying to white-wash Islam when the scriptures tell us plainly what it is, and what it will do if we allow it to. Play with fire, you get burned.


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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2004, 05:52:04 AM »
You guys are being a little tough aren't you? You haven't even seen the movie yet. Wait until it's shown, then say what's wrong with it.

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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2004, 07:51:46 PM »
Nic you are relying on reason and emotion to determine what seems fair and not fair.

However, you should rather; familiarize yourself with the Scriptures; and place your faith in what they teach and say instead.

Nic mentions being unfair to say that Muslims believe in a different God......

John the Apostle; calls Muslims and anyone who follows Islam a liar; and one who does not have God at all.

Fair has nothing to do with it.

Truth is all that matters.

Islam is no different than Baal worship of the OT times; or Cow Worship in India; or Snake Worship in Central America.

There is only one faith that is true to God; and worships the real and only God in Spirit and Truth.

John 4:23 "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers ('Not followers of Islam') shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship Him."

I John 2:21-3 "I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.  Who is a liar but he  ('Islam') that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?  He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the SonWhosoever denieth the Son ('Islam') , the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also."
Islam is a liar, and hath not the Father, for they deny and reject Jesus Christ as His Son.

I John 3:6 "Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth ('Islam')  hath not seen him, neither known him."
Islam does not know or see God because they do not abide in Jesus Christ as the Son of God.

I John 4:15 "Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. [/b][/color]
Islam fails on this count.

Finally, John gives us the record to discern all false religions from the truth.  He writes down the record, inspired from the very heart of God Almighty.
I John 5:10-12 "He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he ('Islam')  that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.  And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.  He that hath the Son hath life; and he ('Islam')  that hath not the Son of God hath not life."

Per John, Islam is a false, Godless religion; that is dead; and calls God Himself a liar.

That is not only what is fair; it is the truth given by God to man.

If you have friends that are followers of Islam; then share the Gospel and Truth of Jesus Christ with them.
Don't be scared.
Don't be afraid.
Don't be intimidated.
Don't be afraid you might offend them.

It is better to offend them with the true Gospel so that they might be saved from out of the fires of Hell;
than to say nothing; and quitely watch them descend down into the flames for their disobedience and rejection of God.

The only way to have compassion for a Muslim is to share the true Gospel of Jesus Christ with them.



Jude 20-22 "But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.  And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire"




Why not share true love with Muslims?

Here is the truth they need to hear....


2 John 1:6-11 "And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.  For many deceivers ('Islam')are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.  Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.  Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."


That is why Christianity and Islam do not have the same God, Nic.

They abide not in Christ, and still transgress in their sins; following a false god named Allah, one of many false gods down through the ages (Baal, Ashteroth, Belial, Dagon, Molech, Beelzebub, Zeus, and now Allah) that wicked men have worshipped and created and followed after; instead of falling down and worshipping the only one true God.



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Re: Islam Verses Christianity
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2004, 04:20:47 PM »
As God, throughout the Old Testament period, sometimes used the Ishmaelites as a chastening tool in His all powerful hand, is it not conceivable that God is still in complete control of the progressive fulfillment of His reconciliation? Jesus was warning us of these sorts of things in John 16: “2They shall put you out of the synagogues: yes, the hour will come, that whosoever kills you shall think that he offers service unto God.” Yes, the Muslims, in order to legitimize their own perceived religious position, desire to destroy every vestige of the Judeo-Christian Congregation.

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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2004, 11:58:44 PM »
<<< desire to destroy every vestige of the Judeo-Christian Congregation>>>

What exactly is a judeo-christian?
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Re: Islam Verses Christianity
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2004, 09:19:33 AM »
I believe that “Judeo-Christian” is a term that describes the composite and order of God’s reconciliation.

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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2004, 03:34:13 PM »

Is it anything related to a 'Rodeo-Christian'?




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Re: Islam Verses Christianity
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2004, 01:37:05 AM »
Dave,

That's a good one... you had me laughing out loud.

Funny how man creates caricatures (false gospesl) of the true Gospel of Christ -- which is the only one that addresses the problem of sin, and our need of a Savior from the wrath of God.

Isa 4:1  
And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach


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