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Re: Should Christians Get Tattoos and Body Piercings?
« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2009, 03:46:52 PM »
Although I don't agree with everything Pastor Craig Gross, known as "Porn Pastor" do, but I can agree his assessment that many traditional churches often preach a "message of intolerance"

http://abcnews.go.com/US/porn-pastor-offers-love-gays-outcasts/story?id=8494496

That is why many churches are falling because of message of intolerance with worldly images and abominations. Including tattoos!

Erik


 )Say_what( What?  This is one of the most confusing messages I've ever read. What is the point of posting this God hating pornagraphic link? That he has a good point about what? It's confusing? What message of intollerance?  Either I'm dumb, or you are being vague.




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Re: Should Christians Get Tattoos and Body Piercings?
« Reply #46 on: September 07, 2009, 04:06:08 PM »
Either I'm dumb, or you are being vague.

 You're not dumb :)

Proverbs 1:5-6 "A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels: To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings."

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Re: Should Christians Get Tattoos and Body Piercings?
« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2009, 04:27:54 PM »
Trotter,

My mistake.

My point is that people like these are starting a "church" or traditional churches become more like world by preaching gospel with more TOLERANCE to sins while there are some church maintance their position against these abominations.  I have heard many christians that kept saying "Christ loves gays", "no one prefect", "Abortion is wrong" while they are practicing birth control themselves, etc.

I posted a link to show you the example of why church are sick today.

Sorry about the confusing.

Erik   

 
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Re: Should Christians Get Tattoos and Body Piercings?
« Reply #48 on: September 07, 2009, 04:54:18 PM »
Trotter,

My mistake.

My point is that people like these are starting a "church" or traditional churches become more like world by preaching gospel with more TOLERANCE to sins while there are some church maintance their position against these abominations.


Ok, now I get it. Thanks.


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  I have heard many christians that kept saying "Christ loves gays", "no one prefect", "Abortion is wrong" while they are practicing birth control themselves, etc.

I posted a link to show you the example of why church are sick today.

Sorry about the confusing.

Erik   

Yeah, and that is one sick Church, if we can call it that.  That is an extreme case of the Harlot of Revelation.  Most are more subtle in their abominations. Which makes them more dangerous than the one in that link.


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Re: Should Christians Get Tattoos and Body Piercings?
« Reply #49 on: September 08, 2009, 08:34:30 AM »
You said it right the first time Erik. Some theologians intolerance of other Christians who desire to enhance the appearance of their bodies with tattoos is what is making the Church fall. That's exactly right.

I don't think it matters if you get a tattoo or not if you're a Christian. My friends are Christians and they're planning on getting tattoos and lip piercings. And I really think it is terrible how Christians say, "Oh, God won't love you if you have a tattoo." That's not true. God love you unconditionally? No matter if you have a tattoo or piercing or what not. He gave us a free will and free choice, and if you want to wear nose rings and other such adorning, it's OK. The hateful intolerance of these things by Christians is despicable.

John writes a post saying in essence that it is ok to judge, and that we are not free from the law. But the bible says judge not lest ye be judged.

[Bible in Basic English] (Matthew 7:1)
 Be not judges of others, and you will not be judged.

Tony writes a post and says we are not to be like the world, so we shouldn't get tattoos like them. Does that mean we cannot wear ear rings, lip stick or false eyelashes? I have a Christian friend who had breast implants, does that mean she's like the world and is going to hell? Careful John and Tony, you are in danger of judgment yourself.

[Bible in Basic English] (Matthew 7:2)
For as you have been judging, so you will be judged, and with your measure will it be measured to you.

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Re: Should Christians Get Tattoos and Body Piercings?
« Reply #50 on: September 09, 2009, 09:34:27 AM »
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You said it right the first time Erik. Some theologians intolerance of other Christians who desire to enhance the appearance of their bodies with tattoos..
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I wonder how that would have gone over with the early faithful Church (1st Timothy 2:9) in their intolerance? Would Martha say:

"But Paul, I don't like your intolerance to other Christians in demanding that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety, not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array. How hateful you are, it's the Lord that judges our heart, not you!"

Sure, there may have been some who actually thought that. But that doesn't mean it has any Christian merit whatsoever, it just means some people don't want to be ruled over by God. They desire their own will that they may rule themselves. Been that way since the Garden.


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...is what is making the Church fall. That's exactly right.
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In your thinking, sure!  But to those who trust in the Lord of the Lord, rather than the sound of their own voice, it's just the opposite that is making the church fall. We know intolerance is not what is making the church fall, intolerance is what "had" kept the church relatively faithful for years. A Holy intollerance, the aversion to changing or usurping the word of God.

Proverbs 22:28
  • "Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set."

The church today has removed nearly all the ancient landmarks their fathers have set, and there is no boundary they won't cross in order to do their own will, in the name of Christian liberty.

In years past the church "wouldn't tolerate" these ideas, wouldn't tolerate Tattoos, wouldn't tolerate Christian Rock, wouldn't tolerate Divorce, wouldn't tolerate living in fornication, wouldn't tolerate using God's name in vain, wouldn't tolerate watching the Super Bowl in church, wouldn't tolerate nose rings, wouldn't tolerate false teachers, Jezebels or spiritual harlotry, etc., etc. YES, "intolerance" is what kept the church relatively faithful all those years. But just look at her now with all her tolerance!  :'(

No, it is intolerance LOST that is the problem. It is tolerance that ultimately brings the church to ruin. Slowly but surely. Like the boiling frog scenario. Put him in a pot of Hot water and the frog will attempt to immediately jump out. But put a frog in cold water and slowly heat it up and the frog will sit there and boil to death. That's how the church has slowly been degraded. Tolerance of one little thing, then another, then another, until ultimately nearly anything becomes bankrupt. It is in fact the kings of the earth who want to tolerate every idea that is foreign to true Godliness and communion, and incorporate every worldly fad and fashion into church acceptance. That is what causes the church to fall. It is tolerance, not intolerance.

Jeremiah 23:22-24
  • "But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.
  • Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?
  • Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD."

IF the Ministers and Pastors had been intolerant and had stood in God's counsel, and had caused His people to hear His words, then the churches wouldn't fall. The problem is, some professed Christians think they can hide the intents of their heart in vain platitudes about Love, intolerance, the glory of God and some misguided idea that Grace is a license to sin. But we choose to stand in God's counsel and testify of the truth that God's people are a peculiar people, separated from the ways of the world. Testify that some might actually hear God's words and turn from "the way of the world," and from the error of their "thinking." These are those who know the difference between the way of the world, and the way of glorifying God. And never the two shall meet.


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I don't think it matters if you get a tattoo or not if you're a Christian.
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I don't think it matters if you curse or not if you're a Christian. I don't think it matters if you play Rock music in Church if you're a Christian. I don't think it matters if you get a divorce or not if you're a Christian. I don't think it matters if you gamble or not if you're a Christian. I don't think it matters if you covet or not if you're a Christian. I don't think it matters if you get drunk or not if you're a Christian. I don't think it matters if break the law or not if you're a Christian. ...so what else is new. Nothing new there! Nothing new under the sun.

Romans 10:16
  • "But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?"

Has anything changed? Aren't God's people still serving themselves instead of God, while thinking they serve God? Even the Scribes and Pharisees thought they were God's chosen and were serving God. What did their erroneous beliefs get them in the end? So, what we think doesn't matter if it's not in line with the word of God.


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My friends are Christians and they're planning on getting tattoos and lip piercings. And I really think it is terrible how Christians say, "Oh, God won't love you if you have a tattoo."
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Straw Man. Who said that? I've never heard that. I've heard people say they've heard people say that, but funny, I never actually heard anyone say that.

But for the record, I'm sure there are many Christians who have had tattoos. I'm sure there are many Christians who have stolen. Many Christians who have lied and cheated. I mean, look at Peter? ...but what has that to do with what is right and wrong? i.e., because Peter denied the Lord three times and was forgiven, does that mean it is OK to deny the Lord? I repeat, I don't know anyone who says if you have a Tattoo, God won't love you. That Red Herring, Straw Man is just fuel for the fire.


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 That's not true. God love you unconditionally? No matter if you have a tattoo or piercing or what not.
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God loves "His People Unconditionally," and His people RECEIVE His word because they have the Spirit of truth dwelling within them. Those with the spirit of disobedience make excuses why His word is not applicable, is void, has been negated or how we are not really under law anymore so we don't "really" have to obey the law.

Colossians 3:5-7
  • "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
  • For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
  • In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them."

What some people don't realize is that True Christianity is a New Life, not just a New Name. Selah! Mortify the old man and his worldly ideas about tattoos, divorce, liberty, and walk in new life as the new man. It seems that's just too hard for some to do, "AS IF" the burden of our cross in sacrifice is too heavy. Heaven forbid we should have to give up tattoos and nose Rings. What a heavy Burden to bear    ::)


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He gave us a free will and free choice, and if you want to wear nose rings and other such adorning, it's OK.
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Did He? Because in my Bible God gave clear guidelines that Today's Christians "CHOOSE" to ignore.

1st Peter 3:3-4
  • "Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
  • But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price."

Not that modern Christians will take God's word here seriously, but it is God's word and meant to be taken seriously, with a certain intolerance. The definition of Christian intolerance being "opposition to beliefs and practices foreign to God's word." Just as tolerance is a lack of opposition to beliefs and practices foreign to God's word.


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The hateful intolerance of these things by Christians is despicable.
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Exhorting to obedience is not hateful, it is charity, agape Love. That some professed Christians cannot understand that fact doesn't make it any less a fact. To some, God's commandments, precepts, rules and guidelines are grievous and a burden, but to those who love God, it is truth. Blessed are those with the love of truth.

1st John 5:3
  • "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."

Some Christians just don't get it. His law to them is legalism, not love. But that contradicts God's word.

2nd John 1:6
  • "And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it."

While it is true exhorting to obedience is Love, and love is a four letter word, that word does not translate to hate, but Charity. Love of our neighbor as ourselves, agape!

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The hateful intolerance of these things by Christians is despicable.
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One man's hatefulness to Christians is another man's love for Christians, and one man's despicable-ness is another man's faithfulness. The Lord ultimately will judge between the two.


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John writes a post saying in essence that it is ok to judge, and that we are not free from the law. But the bible says judge not lest ye be judged.

[Bible in Basic English] (Matthew 7:1)
 Be not judges of others, and you will not be judged.
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It all depends upon how you define Judgment. Judgment of another man's salvation we will not do, but judgment was given all the elect who have the Spirit of Christ. Unfortunately, like in the congregation before, judgment in today's congregation is not being used.

Isaiah 59:14-15
  • "And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.
  • Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment."

And all God's people said, AMEN! There is nothing new under the sun.


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Tony writes a post and says we are not to be like the world, so we shouldn't get tattoos like them.
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How despicable! :(


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Does that mean we cannot wear ear rings, lip stick or false eyelashes? I have a Christian friend who had breast implants, does that mean she's like the world and is going to hell? Careful John and Tony, you are in danger of judgment yourself.

[Bible in Basic English] (Matthew 7:2)
For as you have been judging, so you will be judged, and with your measure will it be measured to you.
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Fortunately for us, the Lord will be judging, not man.

1st Corinthians 2:1-5
  • "And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
  • For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
  • And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
  • And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
  • That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God."

May God grant that our faith not stand in the wisdom of men, but of God. That we go not in the way of the world, but in the way of Christ. That we not serve ourselves in our vain will and desires, but serve God and always seek to do what is glorifying to Him. rather than ourselves!


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Re: Should Christians Get Tattoos and Body Piercings?
« Reply #51 on: September 09, 2009, 11:54:57 AM »

Tony,
 
I guess our way of thinking is considered old fashion today. Thanks for being a light shinning in darkness. This truly is a Mountain Retreat that doesn't tolerate the sins of the world. Thank You, Thank You!

 1 Peter 1:14-16
 "As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
  But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
  Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy".
 
You know, in listening to most Christians, I think they believe this verse means, be holy the best you can, without letting it interfere with your own pleasures and will.

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Re: Should Christians Get Tattoos and Body Piercings?
« Reply #52 on: September 09, 2009, 12:34:54 PM »
I am seeing so many "Christians" that think they can live in the world and live like the world, but yet call themselves Christians.  To be a Christian is to follow Christ's example!  I just don't see Christ getting a tattoo!

He was in the midst of sinners, but did not participate in their sin.  He reproved it!

Romans 12:1-2  I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

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Re: Should Christians Get Tattoos and Body Piercings?
« Reply #53 on: September 10, 2009, 08:42:38 AM »
I am seeing so many "Christians" that think they can live in the world and live like the world, but yet call themselves Christians.  To be a Christian is to follow Christ's example!


I know! Why Christians cannot seem to understand that these days, is beyond me.


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  I just don't see Christ getting a tattoo!

Or piercing His nose, or gambling in Vegas. There is just no love of God in Christians these days. And I know, I'll be called old fashioned, but that has nothing to do with following Christ's example. That is timeless.


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Romans 12:1-2  I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


Amen. The will of God and living sacrifices. Why are those two things so hard for Christians to grasp. Not once do these Christians ask themselves if it is pleasing to God, so long as it pleases them.

Needless to say I am totally against Christians getting tattoos, lip and nose rings. And the reason is because it does not glorify God.


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Re: Should Christians Get Tattoos and Body Piercings?
« Reply #54 on: May 08, 2014, 07:50:48 AM »
I just saw a national news program this morning that said America is becoming "Tattoo Nation" as they called it and the tattoo capital of the world. Why has this country so devolved and become so carnal and so earthy? I don't get what the draw is with Tattoos, but it seems that I am the only one since almost everyone under 40 seems to be getting them. I hesitate to call it a fad because it's not going away. So what is the draw?


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Re: Should Christians Get Tattoos and Body Piercings?
« Reply #55 on: May 25, 2014, 10:33:30 AM »
I just saw a national news program this morning that said America is becoming "Tattoo Nation" as they called it and the tattoo capital of the world. Why has this country so devolved and become so carnal and so earthy? I don't get what the draw is with Tattoos, but it seems that I am the only one since almost everyone under 40 seems to be getting them. I hesitate to call it a fad because it's not going away. So what is the draw?

The draw is many things, not the least of which is peer pressure. You know, "Everybody's got one so I want one too." Like the Hoola Hoop! Then there's ego and vanity. There's also the immature who think they look cool with these marks on their skin. Then there's those who think it is a sign of their freedom or independence.

You have to realize, for most people, Christianity doesn't enter into it. It's just what they want to do. Never mind if it is God glorifying or not. They just think it looks good. My thing is, now so many professing Christians are doing it also, and more importantly they are attempting to justify it as a Christian liberty. It's worldly, but Christians don't care anymore the image they are putting forth to the world that they are just like them. They only care about themselves. Just like in the Anti-government thread. Christians don't care how things look, they just want their individual rights and freedoms. If it's at the expense of Christianity, so be it.

The bottom line is, there is no way anyone can say that placing these markings in their skin is God glorifying. Bottom Line. But the bottom line these days is well below what it use to be.



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Re: Should Christians Get Tattoos and Body Piercings?
« Reply #56 on: May 25, 2014, 05:11:43 PM »
I've got tattoos and I don't care what you or anyone else says. I like them, it's my right to have them, and who are you to tell me it's wrong. The only thing wrong in this world is when you hurt someone else, not doing anything to yourself or having fun or loving anyone. If it's not injuring anyone else, anyone is free to do what they want.

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Re: Should Christians Get Tattoos and Body Piercings?
« Reply #57 on: May 26, 2014, 05:08:55 PM »
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I've got tattoos and I don't care what you or anyone else says. I like them, it's my right to have them, and who are you to tell me it's wrong.

Will you dare to say the same thing to God on Judgment Day?

1 Corinthians 6:19
[19]  What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

There are many Christians out there with same mindset that used their bodies for abortion, birth control, face-lift, tummy tuck, pornography, homosexuality, or even Tattoo. Your justification for it by saying, "I don't care. Who are you to judge me? It is MY BODY" is WITHOUT merit!

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Re: Should Christians Get Tattoos and Body Piercings?
« Reply #58 on: May 27, 2014, 08:21:14 AM »
Erik,
   Most Reformed Christians take a libertarian view of the body and personal freedoms in that we have Christian liberty to rebel against unfair taxes, eat whatever we want, drink alcohol, smoke pipes, cigars or cigarette, get tattoos and gamble. These are not sins because nowhere in the Bible are they forbidden. So we are at liberty to do them.

"Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Galatians 5:1"

Would you bring us again into the law of bondage?

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Re: Should Christians Get Tattoos and Body Piercings?
« Reply #59 on: May 27, 2014, 10:42:31 AM »
Erik,
   Most Reformed Christians take a libertarian view of the body and personal freedoms in that we have Christian liberty to rebel against unfair taxes, eat whatever we want, drink alcohol, smoke pipes, cigars or cigarette, get tattoos and gamble. These are not sins because nowhere in the Bible are they forbidden. So we are at liberty to do them.

 I don't know that this is true, but even if it was, that doesn't mean it's biblical. Consensus isn't the test of truth.

 Mt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
 Mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

What does that say to you? Anything?

You say to rebel against unfair taxes is not forbidden by God. You say we can eat whatever we want, drink alcohol, smoke pipes, cigars or cigarette and get tattoos and gamble. You say that this is all not forbidden, which means God sanctions all these. I say you superficially read your bible to make God like the world and His word to conform to what you want to do.


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"Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Galatians 5:1"

Would you bring us again into the law of bondage?

To borrow a phrase from Tony, "text quoted out of context, is pretext." Doesn't the Bible say that we have been called unto liberty, but we are not to use liberty as an occasion to the flesh? I guess you missed that part. And Tattoos, nose rings, piercings of the body and drinking, smoking and gambling as an occasion to the flesh. So, are we yet carnal? Or are we led by the spirit?
 

 


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