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Re: Should We Spank Our Children
« Reply #60 on: March 19, 2005, 12:34:17 PM »
Amen brother Tony, I cound't have said it better myself. If one doesn't want to spank their kids, don't spank them. But don't try and convince reformed Christians that spanking is harmful, or that God needs to chill out or something. We have to answer to God rather than man or rather than to women. And that's the bottom line.

 Ps 119:119 Thou puttest away all the wicked of the earth like dross: therefore I love thy testimonies.
 120 My flesh trembleth for fear of thee; and I am afraid of thy judgments.

Where is the fear of God in christians now? It's all gone. I do believe that she said she deleted her account, but to others who might be tempted to think like her, Here is a good article.  from the Institutes, and people who have no fear of God to do whatever they please really need to read it.


Chapter 4.



4. THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD STIFLED OR CORRUPTED, IGNORANTLY OR MALICIOUSLY.

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The knowledge of God suppressed by ignorance, many falling away into superstition. Such persons, however, inexcusable, becausetheir error is accompanied with pride and stubbornness.
Stubbornness the companion of impiety.
No pretext can justify superstition. This proved, first, from reason; and, secondly, from Scripture.
The wicked never willingly come into the presence of God. Hence their hypocrisy. Hence, too, their sense of Deity leads to nogood result.
1.Superstition

But though experience testifies that a seed of religion isdivinely sown in all, scarcely one in a hundred is found whocherishes it in his heart, and not one in whom it grows to maturityso far is it from yielding fruit in its season. Moreover, while somelose themselves in superstitious observances, and others, of setpurpose, wickedly revolt from God, the result is, that, in reward tothe true knowledge of him, all are so degenerate, that in no part ofthe world can genuine godliness be found. In saying that some fallaway into superstition, I mean not to insinuate that their excessiveabsurdity frees them from guilt; for the blindness under which theylabour is almost invariably accompanied with vain pride andstubbornness. Mingled vanity and pride appear in this, that whenmiserable men do seek after God, instead of ascending higher thanthemselves as they ought to do, they measure him by their own carnalstupidity, and neglecting solid inquiry, fly off to indulge theircuriosity in vain speculation. Hence, they do not conceive of him inthe character in which he is manifested, but imagine him to bewhatever their own rashness has devised. This abyss standing open,they cannot move one footstep without rushing headlong todestruction. With such an idea of God, nothing which they mayattempt to offer in the way of worship or obedience can have anyvalue in his sight, because it is not him they worship, but, insteadof him, the dream and figment of their own heart. This corruptprocedure is admirably described by Paul, when he says, that"thinking to be wise, they became fools" (Rom. 1: 22.) He hadpreviously said that "they became vain in their imaginations," butlest any should suppose them blameless, he afterwards adds that theywere deservedly blinded, because, not contented with sober inquiry,because, arrogating to themselves more than they have any title todo, they of their own accord court darkness, nay, bewitch themselveswith perverse, empty show. Hence it is that their folly, the resultnot only of vain curiosity, but of licentious desire and overweeningconfidence in the pursuit of forbidden knowledge, cannot be excused.

2.Conscious turning away from God

The expression of David, (Psalm 14: 1, 53: 1,) "The fool hassaid in his heart, There is no God," is primarily applied to thosewho, as will shortly farther appear, stifle the light of nature, andintentionally stupefy themselves. We see many, after they havebecome hardened in a daring course of sin, madly banishing allremembrance of God, though spontaneously suggested to them fromwithin, by natural sense. To show how detestable this madness is,the Psalmist introduces them as distinctly denying that there is aGod, because although they do not disown his essence, they rob himof his justice and providence, and represent him as sitting idly inheaven. Nothing being less accordant with the nature of God than tocast off the government of the world, leaving it to chance, and soto wink at the crimes of men that they may wanton with impunity inevil courses; it follows, that every man who indulges in security,after extinguishing all fear of divine judgement, virtually deniesthat there is a God. As a just punishment of the wicked, after theyhave closed their own eyes, God makes their hearts dull and heavy,and hence, seeing, they see not (Matt. 13:14-15; cf. Isa.6: 9-10 and Ps. 17:10). David, indeed, is the best interpreter of his own meaning, when he says elsewhere, the wicked has "no fear of God before his eyes," (Psalm 36: 1;) and, again, "He has said in his heart, God has forgotten; he hideth his face; he will never see it."(Ps. 10:11)

Thus although they are forced to acknowledgethat there is some God, they, however, rob him of his glory bydenying his power. For, as Paul declares, "If we believe not, heabideth faithful, he cannot deny himself," (2 Tim. 2: 13; so thosewho feign to themselves a dead and dumb idol, are truly said to denyGod. It is, moreover, to be observed, that though they struggle withtheir own convictions, and would fain not only banish God from theirminds, but from heaven also, their stupefaction is never so completeas to secure them from being occasionally dragged before the divinetribunal. Still, as no fear restrains them from rushing violently inthe face of God, so long as they are hurried on by that blindimpulse, it cannot be denied that their prevailing state of mind inregard to him is brutish oblivion.

3.We are not to fashion God according to our own whim

In this way, the vain pretext which many employ to clothetheir superstition is overthrown. They deem it enough that they havesome kind of zeal for religion, how preposterous soever it may be,not observing that true religion must be conformable to the will ofGod as its unerring standard; that he can never deny himself, and isno spectra or phantom, to be metamorphosed at each individual'scaprice. It is easy to see how superstition, with its false glosses,mocks God, while it tries to please him. Usually fastening merely onthings on which he has declared he sets no value, it eithercontemptuously overlooks, or even undisguisedly rejects, the thingswhich he expressly enjoins, or in which we are assured that he takespleasure. Those, therefore, who set up a fictitious worship, merelyworship and adore their own delirious fancies; indeed, they wouldnever dare so to trifle with God, had they not previously fashionedhim after their own childish conceits. Hence that vague andwandering opinion of Deity is declared by an apostle to be ignoranceof God: "Howbeit, then, when ye knew not God, ye did service untothem which by nature are no gods."(Gal.4:8 ) And he elsewhere declares, thatthe Ephesians were "without God" (Eph. 2: 12) at the time when theywandered without any correct knowledge of him. It makes littledifference, at least in this respect, whether you hold the existenceof one God, or a plurality of gods, since, in both cases alike, bydeparting from the true God, you have nothing left but an execrableidol. It remains, therefore, to conclude with Lactantius, (Instit.Div. lib i. 2,, 6,) "No religion is genuine that is not inaccordance with truth."

4.Hypocrisy

To this fault they add a second, viz., that when they dothink of God it is against their will; never approaching him withoutbeing dragged into his presence, and when there, instead of thevoluntary fear flowing from reverence of the divine majesty, feelingonly that forced and servile fear which divine judgement extortsjudgement which, from the impossibility of escape, they arecompelled to dread, but which, while they dread, they at the sametime also hate. To impiety, and to it alone, the saying of Statiusproperly applies: "Fear first brought gods into the world," (Theb.lib. i.) Those whose inclinations are at variance with the justiceof God, knowing that his tribunal has been erected for thepunishment of transgression, earnestly wish that that tribunal wereoverthrown. Under the influence of this feeling they are actuallywarring against God, justice being one of his essential attributes.Perceiving that they are always within reach of his power, thatresistance and evasion are alike impossible, they fear and tremble.Accordingly, to avoid the appearance of condemning a majesty bywhich all are overawed, they have recourse to some species ofreligious observance, never ceasing meanwhile to defile themselveswith every kind of vice, and add crime to crime, until they havebroken the holy law of the Lord in every one of its requirements,and set his whole righteousness at nought; at all events, they arenot so restrained by their semblance of fear as not to luxuriate andtake pleasure in iniquity, choosing rather to indulge their carnalpropensities than to curb them with the bridle of the Holy Spirit.

But since this shadow of religion (it scarcely even deserves to becalled a shadow) is false and vain, it is easy to infer how muchthis confused knowledge of God differs from that piety which isinstilled into the breasts of believers, and from which alone truereligion springs. And yet hypocrites would fain, by means oftortuous windings, make a show of being near to God at the very timethey are fleeing from him. For while the whole life ought to be oneperpetual course of obedience, they rebel without fear in almost alltheir actions, and seek to appease him with a few paltry sacrifices;while they ought to serve him with integrity of heart and holinessof life, they endeavour to procure his favour by means of frivolousdevices and punctilios of no value. Nay, they take greater licensein their grovelling indulgences, because they imagine that they canfulfil their duty to him by preposterous expiations; in short, whiletheir confidence ought to have been fixed upon him, they put himaside, and rest in themselves or the creatures. At length theybewilder themselves in such a maze of error, that the darkness ofignorance obscures, and ultimately extinguishes, those sparks whichwere designed to show them the glory of God. Still, however, theconviction that there is some Deity continues to exist, like a plantwhich can never be completely eradicated, though so corrupt, that itis only capable of producing the worst of fruit.

Nay, we have still stronger evidence of the proposition for which I now contend, viz.,that a sense of Deity is naturally engraven on the human heart, inthe fact, that the very reprobate are forced to acknowledge it. Whenat their ease, they can jest about God, and talk pertly andloquaciously in disparagement of his power; but should despair, fromany cause, overtake them, it will stimulate them to seek him, anddictate ejaculatory prayers, proving that they were not entirelyignorant of God, but had perversely suppressed feelings which oughtto have been earlier manifested.




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Re: Should We Spank Our Children
« Reply #61 on: January 21, 2007, 02:46:03 PM »
There is now a concerted effort in the liberal state of California to pass a law making it a crime to spank children. I mean really send people to prison for years for this. What do you all think of this? Is it big brother coming to reality, or is this a good thing, as one of my christian friends told me?

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Re: Should We Spank Our Children
« Reply #62 on: January 21, 2007, 06:34:34 PM »
California Lawmaker Proposes No-Spanking Law 

Fri Jan 19, 3:20 PM ET
 
LOS ANGELES (AFP) - A California lawmaker says she has proposed a law that would make spanking a small child a crime to be punished by jail time or a fine.
 
The bill, backed by Democrat Sally Lieber of San Francisco, a member of the state legislature, would outlaw spanking children three years old or younger and carry a possible penalty of jail time or a 1,000-dollar fine.

"I think it's pretty hard to argue you need to beat a child three years old or younger," said Lieber, who plans to introduce the bill next week.

The bill, which was still being drafted, would make the crime a misdemeanor and be written to ban "any striking of a child, any corporal punishment, smacking, hitting, punching, any of that," Lieber said.

The bill will likely pit those who advocate protecting children at all costs against lawmakers wary of government intervention creating a possible meddlesome "nanny state."

"Where do you stop?" said Republican Chuck Devore. "At what point are we going to say we should pass a bill that every parent has to read a minimum of 30 minutes every night to their child? This is right along those same lines."

California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, who has the authority to veto the bill if it is adopted, has so far avoided endorsing or rejecting the idea.

In an interview with the San Jose Mercury News, which first reported the proposal this week, the film-star-turned-politician said he was "smacked about everything" during his childhood in Austria.

"That was the way Austria worked," he told the newspaper. "You know, I think it maybe had something to do with after the war. People were maybe more angry and more frustrated, you know, having lost the war or whatever else."

The governor said he understood the desire to "get rid of the physical, the brutal behavior that some parents have."

And he added that he and his wife, Maria Shriver, have never hit their four children. "Absolutely not," he said.

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Re: Should We Spank Our Children
« Reply #63 on: January 22, 2007, 07:34:36 AM »
There is now a concerted effort in the liberal state of California to pass a law making it a crime to spank children. I mean really send people to prison for years for this. What do you all think of this? Is it big brother coming to reality, or is this a good thing, as one of my christian friends told me?

I heard about this two days ago on the news and I almost fell off my chair. I find it strange that some people don't know the difference between child abuse and spanking.

In reading over this thread this morning, I stumbled upon a message by Tony Warren to a woman named Tasha that almost brought me to tears. Judging by what I've read here, I'm sure some here will think it cruel and unloving, but I felt the spirit of God in these great truths. We, as christians are really missing the boat.

http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=978.msg11773#msg11773

I just thought I'd share this intense message for the many who had not read it before. It's a strong defense of sound Christian doctrines and a testimony on how so many so-called christians pervert God's word because of social changes. It's sad that so many in the church today judge by what seems right in today's society rather than what is written in God's word. Since when does God's word fall out of vogue even with christians?

I don't know what will happen in California with this terrible law, my guess is that they will probably pass it. But I do know that the world is just degrading and falling apart so fast in forsaking God's laws that I can't imagine it going on very much longer. There just doesn't seem to be any common sense left in the world, even in the church anymore.


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Re: Should We Spank Our Children
« Reply #64 on: January 22, 2007, 09:30:17 AM »
Here is a good article. http://www.reformed.org/books/institutes/bk1ch04.html from the Institutes, and people who have no fear of God to do whatever they please really need to read it.


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Re: Should We Spank Our Children
« Reply #65 on: January 22, 2007, 03:21:09 PM »
This is how it starts with these liberals. They use volitile language like we shouldn't allow people to be "beating a 2 year old child," and so it puts in your mind someone actually beating infants mercilessly. Once they do that, they have won. Then they'll make the law include four year olds, then five, then no child can be spanked. These liberals know how to get things done. An inch at a time. Unfortunately, Christians don't stick together and can't do a thing about it. They just throw up their hands and say, Oh Well! It's sickening what this country is becoming. But I'm sure you'll hear the usual suspects whinning about how unloving spanking is, and how brutal we are to be condoning it. That's a given I guess.



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« Reply #66 on: January 22, 2007, 06:20:41 PM »
Unfortunately, Christians don't stick together and can't do a thing about it. They just throw up their hands and say, Oh Well! It's sickening what this country is becoming. But I'm sure you'll hear the usual suspects whinning about how unloving spanking is, and how brutal we are to be condoning it. That's a given I guess.


  :laugh:  L.O.L. "The Usual Suspects," that was a good one. God calls spanking love, and they whine about how unloving it is. All while saying they are just trying to be compassionate and good christians. Puey!

Yes, this country is going to hell with the liberals whinning love, love, love all the way there. Frankly, I don't even understand why this is even an issue with christians, since it is written so clearly, many times in scripture what God desires we should do. What parents have done for thousands of thousands of years is now made to appear unloving and a reasson to be imprisioned!

 Lu 21:13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

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Re: Should We Spank Our Children
« Reply #67 on: January 22, 2007, 06:28:03 PM »
Here is a good article. http://www.reformed.org/books/institutes/bk1ch04.html from the Institutes, and people who have no fear of God to do whatever they please really need to read it.


 This link is no longer working. Does anyone know where an active link is, or what was on this page?

That link no longer works. When I tried to follow, it kept switching to frames. But it's from book I, chapter IV of the institutes:

http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/classics/calvin/institutes7-4.html

I don't think the knowledge of God is stifled or corrupted Ignorantly in this case, but wantonly. In other words, having no regard for justice, God's word or his instructions. You can read the whole book online right here.


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Re: Should We Spank Our Children
« Reply #68 on: January 23, 2007, 03:57:40 AM »

I would like to register a dissenting viewpoint. My girlfriend told me you needed some help over here, and from reading this thread I can see that you do. For some sound advice on proper christian treatment of children, you can find some good articles here.

http://parentinginjesusfootsteps.org/

There is a pettition with over 500 signatures that I hope many of you will sign against corporal punishment in the absuse in spanking children. How some people can think that is Godly, I don't know. There are lots of scriptures against this travesty of beating children. I do hope that you will consider them.

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« Reply #69 on: January 23, 2007, 08:18:05 AM »
This is how it starts with these liberals. They use volitile language like we shouldn't allow people to be "beating a 2 year old child," and so it puts in your mind someone actually beating infants mercilessly.

You're right Chris, the link Betty gave sends you to a link with bold black letters stating "ALERT BABYWHIPPING BUSINESS." ::)

Betty, will you and your girlfriend go after God next for using corporal punishment and tell Him it's ungodly?  You don't come with sound advice, it's sounds more like Dr. Phil and Oprah advice.
How some people can think that is Godly, I don't know. There are lots of scriptures against this travesty of beating children. I do hope that you will consider them.

Do you mind sharing those verses?

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« Reply #70 on: January 23, 2007, 08:21:08 AM »

I would like to register a dissenting viewpoint. My girlfriend told me you needed some help over here,


 Your girlfriend--let me guess ..the usual suspect?

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and from reading this thread I can see that you do. For some sound advice on proper christian treatment of children, you can find some good articles here.

Well that depends upon your definition of the word "good". Personally, I would call it humanistic tripe at war with the word of God, but then, that's just me.

But since this is a bible forum, I would be interested in those scriptures you allege are against this so-called trvesty. Got any?

or is all you have on that site human testimony substituting for scripture?

 Jer 23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
 17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.
 18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?
 19 Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.


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« Reply #71 on: January 23, 2007, 08:31:23 AM »
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1. The knowledge of God suppressed by ignorance, many falling away into superstition. Such persons, however, inexcusable, because their error is accompanied with pride and stubbornness.
2. Stubbornness the companion of impiety.

Sound Familiar? Pride and stubbornness! Everytime we try to witness to christians what the word of God requires, their replies are accompanied not by scripture proving that they are justified (the Dog praying for example) but by pride and stubborn refusal to accept these truths. In fact, justification of their error. It's always the same. Here we have this woman convinced love is in rejecting God's plain instruction for Dr. Spock's instruction. Witness scripture to her and she will inevitably start whinning about how crulel we are or how we lack love and compassion, or pine about how we can be so mean. Isn't that always what we get with these women?  Emotion instead of obedience and faithfulness.

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Re: Should We Spank Our Children
« Reply #72 on: January 23, 2007, 10:56:54 PM »
Prov 29:15: The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.


Spanking is defined by the opposition as beating, hitting, slapping with intent to vent your anger so as to get your way. If that is someone's concept of Biblical spanking they are grossly mistaken. It may be the upbringing they remember -- but they confuse what they remember and see happening today by some with the proper administration of disciple.

Some arguments against spanking are:

1.  Spanking is abuse or leads to abuse
2.  Spanking is ineffective
3.  Spanking teaches that violence is OK
4.  Spanking creates bullies
5.  Spanking violates human rights
6.  Spanking is not necessary, use other forms of discipline
7.  Spanking leads to psychological damage and fear
8.  Spanked children will feel unloved and untrusting
9.  Spanking is a form of assault
10. Spanking leads to violence against others (learning by example)

My comment is that God intends children to be corrected when they commit willful acts of disobedience, and spanking is one of those means. It is not done out of anger, or to embarrass the child, or to be cruel. It is done calmly, orderly, and with love -- which means there is instruction and explanation with the correction and all things under control. There are many other ways to discipline (teach) a child to be obedient, but when willful disobedience rears its sinful head the rebellious act can not be ignored or dismissed with a lesser form of punishment.

Those who refuse to spank when it is clearly called for think they have found a 'better way'. But God says that if we love our children we will consistently and even-handedly discipline them. That means we have a consistent measure of wrong -- things deserving of a spanking do not change each passing day -- correction is not whimsical and capricious but done according to the measure of the law broken.


Pro 13:24
24 -- Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.


The opposition is in essence teaching their children that they will not set boundaries that are enforced, that the parents word can be contested and defied, and that this is how to be 'loving' to a child. Yet, an uncorrected child DOES NOT feel loved but neglected and unwanted. Would we think that God loves us if He did not chasten us for our willful disobedience? We would feel unwanted if God didn't care enough to seek our best and highest good. God says "for whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth" but the opposition says such thoughts are unkind and unloving, why do they think that?

I see their uncorrected children everywhere -- willful, defiant, proud, mouthy, deceitful, hateful, angry, vengeful, mean-spirited, lazy, etc. The one means to subdue the rebellion in the child is discarded by them as 'antiquated', and the result is the destruction of society wholesale. Could it be, that those who hate correction are unwilling to correct. Those who love lawlessness can not deny lawlessness in their offspring. Do vipers desire to correct vipers?

Those who are unwilling to judge others fear being judged themselves -- and for good reason, they are guilty of judgment. Are not the arguments against spanking simply a way of arguing against the necessity of God's own Judgment Day -- the thing mankind fears is his rightful punishment before God, so the goal becomes to eradicate whatever reminds him of that discomforting reality. Those who cling to 'self-esteem' and 'human rights' are incapable of envisioning a God who Righteously executes His wrath -- how dare He. Wrapping themselves in rights they don't actually possess and self-esteem neither they nor their children deserve is an illusion meant to avoid the truth. We have no rights excepted those given by God (not by the courts) -- our 'right' is to be found guilty and punished and our self-esteem is only a sin of pride and worthy of more punishment.

And so, properly administered, spanking does not lead to abuse nor is it abusive but rather an act of love. Neither is it ineffective but a great deterrent for the haughtiness of youth, which now is on display amongst today’s many uncorrected youth. Neither does spanking teach violence but rather justice -- a child learns that with sin comes suffering and pain, a valuable lesson lost on today's value-free youth.

Spanking does not create bullies or meanness, it does the opposite -- spanking teaches humility and conformity to doing right. Without a home built around law and order a child eventually enters society unprepared to be obedient to either the law of the nation of the law of God. In defiance to the law the child is 'corrected' by the law, and harshly. It will be the unfortunate lawman who has to dispense the law in the form of a bullet to stop the raging arrogance of our uncorrected youth. But even worse, it will be God who casts that lawless man or woman into eternal punishment.

Would it be better that your child learn right from wrong and grow knowing to fear Yahweh, who deserves to be feared, and consequently the children of men learn to respect the laws of a nation appointed by God over them.

Or does the opposition have it correct: We should seek to mold our child's heart to be in the image of our own lawless God-hating heart -- thereby creating a monster in the image of the parent, a rotten tree bearing rotten fruit. Certainly the uncorrected 'monster' is one that fallen man can 'love', though the consequence of it all be death and that everlasting.

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Re: Should We Spank Our Children
« Reply #73 on: January 24, 2007, 08:36:35 AM »
Those who refuse to spank when it is clearly called for think they have found a 'better way'. But God says that if we love our children we will consistently and even-handedly discipline them. That means we have a consistent measure of wrong -- things deserving of a spanking do not change each passing day -- correction is not whimsical and capricious but done according to the measure of the law broken.


Pro 13:24
24 -- Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.


 Hallelujah!  And this is what these new-age christians can't seem to understand. That when God says something is right and good, it's not up for debate. When God says something is love, we don't claim it's cruel and will harm the child. But these people, in their own sight, think they are wiser than God.

 Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
 21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

 They are not good Christians but are perverting all moral distinctions. They are not ashamed of sins against God in disobedience, and are grown to a desperate humanistic impiety. How anyone can call themselves Christian and flaunt their rejection of Christ's instruction is beyond me.


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« Reply #74 on: January 29, 2007, 02:16:50 PM »

 Hallelujah!  And this is what these new-age christians can't seem to understand. That when God says something is right and good, it's not up for debate.

No, but your interepretation is. I think there's more pressure for males, because of their egoes, to have quick-fix answers to problems with children. And they have interpreted scripture so that spanking looks like the quick fix bandaid. On the other hand, Women, and particularly mothers, are usually more inclined to be more christlike, to use love, and want to do what will work best down the road.

From reading some posts here, I see that the women here are far more caring about people, more loving, more christlike and compassionate than the men. They use their head rather than the bible as a stick.

So let me speak to you. Why not ask you husbands if he would consider it acceptable to hit you if you made a mistake, disagreed with him, or he was simply angry at you? If he says no (and he'd better), point out that it is even less fair to hit a child than an adult. That is in doing what is right.

I would like to make it crystal clear that contrary to what some people might say, spanking is NOT Christian! I would especially like to make this clear to all those spank happy Southern Baptists! The passages in Proverbs about the rod, if you take it literally what it actually is referring to is flogging which is done across the back.

 


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