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Vaccinations and Abortions
« on: December 15, 2005, 08:39:07 AM »
I heard over the radio this week that children are given 24 different vaccinations that are made from aborted babies? My question is, does anyone know of anything like this, or know if this is true or not? Has anyone heard anything on this subject or know where I could read about it?

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Re: Vaccinations and Abortions
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2005, 11:43:28 AM »
Unfortunately it's very true Wanda. And few biblical Church groups are actively against it. Vaccinations for Rubella/MMR, Hepatitis-A and Chicken pox are most often derived from or cultivated on aborted fetal tissue. That's the sad fact that some don't know, but many simply choose to ignore. Do you know of any biblical groups coming out and advising their members against these vaccinations?

What is wrong with advocating a boycott of these vaccines on the grounds that they are a participation in and actually encourage abortions? Especially because Abortion is unnecessary to obtain live viruses, and this is proven by the medical professionals in Japan. For example, they are producing Takahashi for rubella without them. Unblike these abortionists, the virus was obtained by swabbing the throat of infected children. So it is very clear that Aborted fetal tissue is unnecessary as a culture medium. What these American scientists don't want you to know is that non-abortive human tissue may be used just as acceptably, or even animal cell lines. But they simply choose to use aborted baby tissue, there's no doubt about that. Non-abortive tissue is used in other countries in the production of vaccines for Measles, Mumps, Polio, Rabies and the Japanese Aimmungen for Hepatitis-A and Takahashi for Rubella.

While people like you just didn't know about it, many Church people just don't care. Today there is more a don't care attitude than I have ever seen before. They really don't want to know about this issue, because then they'd have to get off their lazy butts and take a stand.

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Re: Vaccinations and Abortions
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2005, 04:36:20 PM »
<<<I heard over the radio this week that children are given 24 different vaccinations that are made from aborted babies?>>>

There are alternatives,made from animal cell lines.


 Polio L ........ Monkey kidney
 
Mumps (Mumpsvac) [Jeryl Lynn strain] Provaccine, Switserland ........Chick embryo
 
Rubella  Kitasato Institute, Japan.......... Rabbit kidney
 
Rabies (RVA)  SmithKline Beecham (Only available in US)......... Rhesus monkey
 
Rabies (Rab Avert) (PCEC)  Chiron Behring GmbH & Co............. Chick embryo
 
Hepatitis A (Aimmugen)  Chemo-Sero-therapeutic Institute, Japan ...........Monkey kidney
 
Yellow Fever (only vaccine licenced)  Aprilvax .........Chick embryo

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Re: Vaccinations and Abortions
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2006, 07:38:38 PM »

You might want to check this link out.

http://www.cogforlife.org/campaigninfo.htm


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Re: Vaccinations and Abortions
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2017, 08:50:17 AM »
I don't know if this is related, but I read somewhere last week that a Christian woman was forced to have her child vaccinated against her will by the government. I'm wondering if anyone knows if this is true.

If it is, I don't think that is Biblical, and it should not be done. What do you think?

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Re: Vaccinations and Abortions
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2017, 10:36:18 AM »

I haven't heard this, but in general I don't think the government should ever be involved with forcing parents to do anything, unless it directly concerns serious abuse of children. And by abuse, I'm not talking about spanking or hitting kids (which I believe is a Parents right), I'm talking about real (not imagined) direct life endangering abuse. Vaccinations do not fit into that category.

Depending upon the vaccination, I would vaccinate my kids, but I don't think anyone has the right to force another parent to vaccinate their children. That's a violation of their parental rights in my view. Seeing as how it didn't even exist before a few generations ago, it is not really necessary no matter what people claim.

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Re: Vaccinations and Abortions
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2017, 11:49:56 AM »

Reformer, that's the real liberal establishment gone wild, not the imagined liberals that so many here talk about. I haven't heard anything about that either, but I will not be surprised if it happened, considering the way things have been transpiring in this country. I have heard that there were many Christians against certain vaccinations, but not that one was forced on anyone.

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Re: Vaccinations and Abortions
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2017, 07:27:27 PM »
Nothing about it on AOL. It's probably just a rumor.

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Re: Vaccinations and Abortions
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2017, 01:33:02 AM »
Yes, it's true. But while she was in jail for violating a court order to do it, it was the estranged father who had the kid vaccinated against her will. Another case of the government meddling in affairs they have no business getting involved in.

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Re: Vaccinations and Abortions
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2017, 04:02:36 AM »
Here is the news you guys may talked about:

Mother who was jailed for refusing to vaccinate son
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Re: Vaccinations and Abortions
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2017, 10:09:03 AM »
Ok if that's the one, that changes everything. Because it's not the government forcing her, if I understand this correctly, it's a matter of the husband wanting it done, and the wife not wanting it done, and the judge had to make a decision who gets to decide. He decided in the father's favor. I don't see anything wrong with that. If both had said no, it would not have been an issue as they didn't have to.

So this doesn't concern the government forcing anyone to get vaccinated, it's just a matter of which parent gets to decide. In my mind, that's fine. You're going to go against one of them no matter which way he decided.

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Re: Vaccinations and Abortions
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2017, 07:10:40 AM »
Vaccinations save lives of children everywhere. What happens when your child gets a communicable disease because he is not vaccinated and gives it to my child? Where does your rights infringe on my right to keep my child safe? There are safe vaccinations and all children should get them.

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Re: Vaccinations and Abortions
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2017, 05:07:18 AM »
Question of Ethics: Are we helping the already dead babies, or the alive children?

A small but growing number of parents who object to vaccinating their children on religious grounds say they do so because many common vaccines are the product of cells that once belonged to aborted fetuses.

There is a grain of truth to this statement. But even religious leaders, including a future pope, have said that shouldn't deter parents from vaccinating their children.

Vaccines Developed Using Human Cell Strains

"Merck, as well as other vaccine manufacturers, uses two well-established human cell lines to grow the virus for selected vaccines," Merck said in a statement to ABC News. "The FDA has approved the use of these cell lines for the production of these Merck vaccines."

Other common vaccines, including those for chicken pox, hepatitis and rabies, are also propagated in cells originating from legally aborted human fetuses, according to the FDA.

To remove human fibroblast cells entirely from vaccines is out of the question, Offit explained, noting they are necessary because human viruses don't grow well in animal cells.

"They have also been tested for safety and the fetal cells can go through many more divisions than most other cells before dying," he said.

Offit said he was glad the Catholic Church supports vaccination.

He noted it is particularly ironic to object to the rubella vaccine using fetal cells because Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who later became Pope Benedict XVI, commented on the subject in 2003, saying: "Universal vaccination has resulted in a considerable fall in the incidence of congenital rubella, with a general incidence reduced to less than 5 cases per 100,000 livebirths."

 


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