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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #90 on: May 31, 2017, 06:33:30 PM »

Funny how atheists all either call out to God to save or help them, or ask him, "Why, Why" when they don't even believe in God. What amazes me is that they even do this in Japan. What does it mean? They know there is a God or they are just speaking out of nothing better to say, like out of frustration?


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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #91 on: June 01, 2017, 08:50:34 AM »
Funny how atheists all either call out to God to save or help them, or ask him, "Why, Why" when they don't even believe in God. What amazes me is that they even do this in Japan. What does it mean? They know there is a God or they are just speaking out of nothing better to say, like out of frustration?

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Romans 1:18-20
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse."

18 - Our apostle having asserted and laid down a general proposition, that the justification of a sinner is only to be expected by the righteousness of the Mediator in a way of faith; he now undertakes the proof and demonstration of it thus; distributes the whole world into Gentiles and Jews; the former seeking righteousness by the dim light of nature; or the law written in their hearts; the latter by the works of the law, that is, by their external conformity to what the law of Moses exacted and required of them.
Now his present business is to prove distinctly and fully, that neither Gentile nor Jew could ever find what they thus sought. He begins here with the Gentiles, and shews that indeed they had inbred notions of a God imprinted in their minds by nature, and also had the book of the creature before their eyes, in which much, very much of God, might be seen: yet these common notices of God, and of good and evil, they did not obey and put in practice but rebelled against the light and dictates of their natural consciences: for which cause, the wrath of God was revealed from heaven against them.

Here observe, 1. A dreadful manifestation of divine wrath: The wrath of God is revealed from heaven. The wrath of God; that is, the indignation or vengeance of God: This the sinner shall feel who doth not fear it; for the fears of an incensed Deity are no bug-bears, nor the effects of ignorance and superstition, as the Atheists fancy. This wrath is said to be revealed from heaven; that is, discovered and made manifest by the God of heaven, partly by the light of nature, their own consciences giving them notice and warning of it; and partly by the examples of others, in the lashes of a divine severity on the back of sinners, by the hand of an incensed God: Thus the wrath of God was revealed to the Gentiles from heaven.

Observe, 2. The object or impulsive cause of his revealed and inflicted wrath; namely, All ungodliness and unrighteousness of men. Ungodliness compriseth all sins against God, or neglect of the duties of the first table: Unrighteousness comprehends all sins against our neighbour, or the breaches of the second table.

Note here, That the abstract is put for the concrete, the sins for the sinners that commit them; the wrath of God is revealed against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men; that is, against all ungodly and unrighteous persons; the meaning is, that God will certainly punish these sins upon the persons of the sinners.

Observe, 3. The special aggravation of these their sins, or that which made them so very provoking to Almighty God; namely, that they held the truth in unrighteousness; that is, their natural convictions were kept down under the dominion and power of their corruptions. Lust in their wills and affections was too hard for the light in their understandings; they entertained the light of truth in their minds, but did not suffer it to have its proper effect and influence upon their hearts and lives; thus making that a prisoner which would have made them free.

Learn, 1. That it is a very great aggravation of sin, for men to offend against the light of their own minds, and to rebel against the convictions of their own consciences.

2. That the wrath of God is dreadfully incensed against all those that live in any course of sin, rebelling against the dictates and convictions of their own enlightened consciences.

Dread it then, as thou dreadest hell itself, to sin against knowledge, to rebel against the light of thy own mind, to slight the whispers, to stifle the voice of thy own conscience; but reverence and obey its dictates as the commands of God.

19 - That is, much of the nature and properties of God may be known by the light of nature; his infinite power, wisdom and goodness, are manifest in the minds and the consciences of all men; For God hath shewed it unto them, partly by imprinting these notions of himself upon the hearts of all men, and partly by the book of the creatures, in which his glorious attributes are written in large and legible characters.
Learn hence, That all men have a natural knowledge of God, and those great duties which result form the knowledge of him.

2. That the natural knowledge which men have of God, if they live contrary to it, is a sufficient evidence of their holding the truth of God in unrighteousness, and is a God-provoking and wrath-procuring sin.

20 - The apostle here proceeds in acquainting us with that knowledge of God which the Heathens had by the light of nature, which was in their hearts, and augmented and increased by what of God they saw in the book of the creatures; namely, in the works of creation and providence: The invisible things of God from the creation of the world are clearly seen, &c. The sense, I conceive, is this, That the wise and wonderful frame of the world, which cannot reasonably be ascribed to any other cause but God, is a sensible demonstration to all mankind, of an eternal and powerful Being, that was the author and contriver of it. The strokes of the Creator's hand are engraven in all parts of the universe; the heavens, the earth, and the capacious sea, with all things contained in them, are evident testimonies of the excellency of their original cause: And therefore such of the Heathens of old as shut their eyes, and such of the Atheists at this day as wink hard, and will not see the footsteps of a Deity in the works of creation and providence, are, and will be, everlastingly left without excuse.
Learn hence, 1. That much of the being and essential perfections of God may be known by the light of nature, if attended to; and much more may be understood by the book of the creatures, if attentively looked into. The invisible things of God are clearly seen from the creation; that is, the creation of the world is a plain demonstration to men of the being and power of God.

Learn, 2. That all such persons will be left forever without excuse before God, who either extinguish the light of nature, and smother the natural notices which they have of God, or do not improve them by a due consideration of the works of God. Without opening the eye of reasons, the book of creation is of no more use to us than to the brute beasts: They see the creatures as well as we, but many of us consider the creatures, and see God in the creation no more then they: And this will leave us without excuse.

Learn, 3. How endearing are our obligations to almighty God, for the favour and benefit of divine revelation; that, together with the light of nature, we have the superadded light of scripture; the law to convince us of our sin, the gospel to discover a Saviour. The Heathens had only those natural apostles, of sun, moon, and stars, to guide them to the wisdom of the Father, the incarnate Son of God, and his inspired apostles and ministers to lead us into all truth, and his Holy Spirit to excite and quicken us in our obedience to him.

Therefore, eternally magnified be Omnipotent Love, for the light of scripture, for the benefit of divine revelation. For though there be a natural theology, there is not a natural Christology; there is a natural divinity, but not a natural gospel, a knowledge of God by the light of nature, but no knowledge of Jesus the Mediator, without the light of scripture.

All thanks, eternal thanks be to God for his unspeakable gift! Lord, how will all such as contemn it be left without excuse!

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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #92 on: June 01, 2017, 01:50:11 PM »
I think it is a natural instinct to call out to God when things go horribly wrong. I don't think they believe in God, at least not like they know he exists, but out of desperation that they know they are out of options. But it's still sad to hear all those cries of desperation and hopelessness.

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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #93 on: June 28, 2017, 02:23:48 AM »
Why is it sad? According to Calvinists, it's all predetermined by God so it's his will. Am I right? Shouldn't you then rejoice?

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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #94 on: July 12, 2017, 02:19:55 PM »
No, Christians don't rejoice over the lost. They witness to them and pray for them as God wills. The blind aren't condemned because God willed it, they are condemned because of their own sins. The responsibility is mankind's own.

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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #95 on: July 08, 2018, 10:56:03 AM »
And Guess what. More floods and deaths this week, over a hundred drowned,

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/07/08/torrential-rains-kill-at-least-81-in-western-japan/23477081/

The point is, it's God's will because of their refusal to receive him, is it not? According to Calvinists, isn't this the judgment of God? You say God is sovereign over this, then he ordained it. Or else you are talking out of both sides of your mouth.


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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #96 on: July 09, 2018, 03:00:37 AM »
The point is, it's God's will because of their refusal to receive him, is it not? According to Calvinists, isn't this the judgment of God? You say God is sovereign over this, then he ordained it. Or else you are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

We don't say God is sovereign, we know that God is sovereign. It's like Pearson said. Nothing is by coincidence, nor were the calamities because God thinks Japan is so much worse than Egypt, China or the Netherlands. Sin caused it, God allowed it, man is responsible for it by the curse that came upon the earth in the fall. God could stop it, he doesn't and so it's ordained.
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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #97 on: July 09, 2018, 07:41:00 AM »

How does that make sense?  )hammerhead(

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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #98 on: July 10, 2018, 02:33:37 PM »

How does that make sense?  )hammerhead(

It makes perfect sense Drew. It seems you are just not predisposed to hearing the truth about God's sovereignty. If God could cause a revival in Japan because he's all powerful, and he doesn't, what does that say?

It says something those believing in free will don't want to hear.

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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #99 on: July 11, 2018, 02:23:13 AM »
It makes perfect sense Drew. It seems you are just not predisposed to hearing the truth about God's sovereignty. If God could cause a revival in Japan because he's all powerful, and he doesn't, what does that say?

It says something those believing in free will don't want to hear.

 )GoodPopst( Among other things they don't want to hear. Isn't it ironic that those who most reject God's sovereignty, most support Israel's sovereignty? Who most advocate man's free will, are those most opposed to God's free will? Who are most blessed, are those who complain the most about those less fortunate? Who are most hateful, are those who pretend to love? And so on and so forth.

Bottom line, Japan is no better than any other nation. God is in control and is no respecter of persons. Be they Japanese, Africans, Bolivians or Americans.

Lu 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.


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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #100 on: July 11, 2018, 04:47:28 PM »
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And Guess what. More floods and deaths this week, over a hundred drowned,

They are still having serious issues, the deaths at 176 now and counting. Why does places like Japan have such great problems continually. Earthquakes, Tsunamis, Floods, devastating wars, the only country to have a Atom Bomb dropped on it, etc.  And as opposed to God as any nation on earth. You believe that's just luck?

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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #101 on: July 12, 2018, 06:44:39 AM »
Japan’s geographical features easily explain its history of natural disasters. I wouldn’t read into that too much.

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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #102 on: July 12, 2018, 10:15:08 AM »
Japan’s geographical features easily explain its history of natural disasters. I wouldn’t read into that too much.

Of course, there's always an explanation. Why is Japan one of the most non Christianized places on earth? Of course there's a plausible explanation. Why is South America so Catholic? Of course there is a plausible explanation. Why is man made out of the dust material of the earth? Of course there is a scientific explanation for it. There always is. That doesn't mean it's just coincidence with what is written in the Bible. Why was Canaan kicked out of the land and the land given to the people of Israel out of Egypt? Of course people have a plausible explanation, but I prefer God's word that it was because they rejected him.

Believe it or not aquatic, God does judge.


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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #103 on: August 01, 2018, 01:20:54 PM »
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Japan’s geographical features easily explain its history of natural disasters. I wouldn’t read into that too much.


Of course, there's always an explanation. Why is Japan one of the most non Christianized places on earth? Of course there's a plausible explanation. Why is South America so Catholic? Of course there is a plausible explanation. Why is man made out of the dust material of the earth? Of course there is a scientific explanation for it. There always is. That doesn't mean it's just coincidence with what is written in the Bible. Why was Canaan kicked out of the land and the land given to the people of Israel out of Egypt? Of course people have a plausible explanation, but I prefer God's word that it was because they rejected him.

Believe it or not aquatic, God does judge.
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George,
   What do you know. For once, we actually agree on something. But probably for different reasons. Yes, God is beyond the explanations of those without the Spirit. Yes, God is in total control over this world, and yes God does judge according to His will, but it is because He is totally sovereign--which is a view that you totally reject. So while yo're technically right, you are fundamentally wrong.
   
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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #104 on: August 02, 2018, 01:58:56 AM »
Funny how atheists all either call out to God to save or help them, or ask him, "Why, Why" when they don't even believe in God. What amazes me is that they even do this in Japan. What does it mean? They know there is a God or they are just speaking out of nothing better to say, like out of frustration?


 


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