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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2015, 11:43:19 AM »
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I sense a lot of hostility here against Japan. Is it because they aren't so easily led about the nose by western religion? Japan is basically a closed society, and they are becoming more and more jaded and brought into the western depravity and degeneration  through the internet and TV. I don't blame them for trying to keep their culture pure without western religion, crime and selfishness. Japan is simply not a melting pot, and that's for the good.

You are one confused troll. Obviously you did not listen to what Tony explained with Scripture.  You offer NO SCRIPTURE REFUTE whatsoever.  All you care about is Japanese "culture" and "society".  Aren't you suppose to be more concerned about saving their souls from hell by witnessing with True Gospel, not to be confused with so called "western religion."  Gospel can overcome ANY nation, ANY culture, ANY closed society, and ANY government and laws to win souls, didn't you realize this?
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Mat 16:18
(18)  And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Rev 6:2
(2)  And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Do you understand these verses?

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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #46 on: March 25, 2015, 05:46:24 PM »
All you care about is Japanese "culture" and "society".  Aren't you suppose to be more concerned about saving their souls from hell by witnessing with True Gospel
Erik

It's not for me to be concerned, obviously they are concerned about their culture and society, and that's why they don't listen to your Christian attempts to indoctrinate them with foreign beliefs. How is that a bad thing? Clearly, you are not defending your religion well enough for them to accept it over their culture. They're smart people, they've considered Christianity and obviously found it wanting.

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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #47 on: March 25, 2015, 10:40:57 PM »
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They're smart people, they've considered Christianity and obviously found it wanting.

Really, sorry to disappoint you, but God did take some people out of Japan for Himself already as he did with every nation on whole earth wherever Gospel went.   :peace:

Mat 16:18
(18)  And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Isa 52:9-10
(9)  Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem: for the LORD hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem.
(10)  The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

Act 13:47
(47)  For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

Not even culture stop God.

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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #48 on: March 26, 2015, 09:37:26 AM »

 )Fighting(  I sense a lot of hostility here against Japan. Is it because they aren't so easily led about the nose by western religion? Japan is basically a closed society

That's the only thing you've said that has a grain of truth to it. They do in one sense tend to not have an open mind because they take far too much pride in Japanese culture and beliefs.  A lot more than other countries, and that is to the exclusion of other people and their religions. They are not really open to religions like Christianity. I know because I was stationed there for a while. That attitude happens to be a bad thing as far as Christianity goes because their beliefs are pagan and against Christian doctrines.

I think it is mostly due to the fact that Christianity represents an "outside influence" that Japanese (more than any other society) has a problem with. The fact is, Japan is unquestionably one of the least ethnically diverse countries in the world, with 98 percent of the population being Japanese nationals. 98 percent is a lot! To put it simply (despite what fans want to believe), in general they don't take to outsiders. When I was stationed there, some of them were friendly and some were not. Now before anyone jumps all over me, I know that it is a generalization, but also obviously true in some respects. Many still hate Americans because of the war and others just plain think Christianity is a foreign religion that would somehow make them less Japanese or even something they are not. I don't want to equate it with the attitudes of Nazi Germany, but to a large degree they do that that same sense of purity of race, culture and society. Their distaste for Christianity is part and parcel of their narcissism and self-perpetuated myth of homogeneity.

 James 4:6
  "But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble."
 
Is it any wonder then that God resists them so that they are one of the countries with the least Christian converts? Someone here said that they are full of themselves, and that just about covers the reason why they reject Christianity. They look at it as somewhat of an attack on their culture. To their own peril I might add.

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   "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #49 on: March 27, 2015, 09:29:39 AM »
The fact is, Japan is unquestionably one of the least ethnically diverse countries in the world, with 98 percent of the population being Japanese nationals. 98 percent is a lot! To put it simply (despite what fans want to believe), in general they don't take to outsiders.

 others just plain think Christianity is a foreign religion that would somehow make them less Japanese or even something they are not. I don't want to equate it with the attitudes of Nazi Germany, but to a large degree they do that that same sense of purity of race, culture and society. Their distaste for Christianity is part and parcel of their narcissism and self-perpetuated myth of homogeneity.

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Interesting, and sadly, everything you've said about Japan is true. It even showed up in the recent selection of the Japanese selection for miss Universe. She's been ostracized in her own country for not being Japanese enough, even though she was born in Japan, of a Japanese woman, was raised up in (and lives in) Japan, but has an American father. The Japanese are very aware of their culture and seem to have this need to glory in their past, their spiritualism and also in themselves.

http://kfor.com/2015/03/24/miss-universe-japan-facing-backlash-for-not-being-japanese-enough/

However, you can also see some changes (slow as they may be) as more of the young accept foreigners and even tolerate other religions like Christianity. Still, for the most part trying to get them to listen to a Christian view of God is like trying to convert a Catholic. It's hard!


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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #50 on: April 21, 2015, 07:23:35 PM »
Hi,

It always bothers me when I see people answering questions like this one, and in a desire to "protect God's righteousness", they diminish His sovereignty.

Michael


Especially preachers who come on after these type disasters and say God had nothing to do with it. As if God is not sovereign, just watching nature and waiting to see what we do in the world.  That's what bothers me. Because it puts forth the teaching that Gpod is not in control, he's just looking on.

Did God Cause the Tsunamis, Earthquakes and Floods?

Isaiah 45:7 – I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the LORD, who does all these things.
Deuteronomy 32:39 – “‘See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand. ”

Revelation 16:7 And I heard the altar saying, “Yes, Lord God the Almighty, true and just are your judgments!” 8 The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and it was allowed to scorch people with fire. 9 They were scorched by the fierce heat, and they cursed the name of God who had power over these plagues. They did not repent and give him glory.

Daniel 4:35 – all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?”

Romans 9:20 – But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”

Revelation 1:8 – “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #51 on: April 22, 2015, 08:13:01 AM »

So God killed all those people, children included?

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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #52 on: April 22, 2015, 12:59:07 PM »
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So God killed all those people, children included?

God did kill all those people, children included in city of Sodom, didn't He? (Gen 19:23-25)

Or didn't God did kill all those people, children included in city of Jericho by commanding the Israelis to do it? (Joshua 6:21)

Etc., etc.

Your point is, Maurice?

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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #53 on: April 23, 2015, 08:05:02 AM »
Graham -  “Our govt needs to halt all immigration of Muslims from countries that have active terrorist cells & take military action to defeat ISIS.”

Psalm 20:7 Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the LORD our God.
8 They are brought down and fallen: but we are risen, and stand upright.
9 Save, LORD: let the king hear us when we call.

Mat 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #54 on: April 23, 2015, 10:05:02 AM »
Graham -  “Our govt needs to halt all immigration of Muslims from countries that have active terrorist cells & take military action to defeat ISIS.”

Why would any Christian in their right mind be against this? This is probably the only thing we can agree with Billy Graham on. Lord save us from the liberal Christians.


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Psalm 20:7 Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the LORD our God.
8 They are brought down and fallen: but we are risen, and stand upright.
9 Save, LORD: let the king hear us when we call.

None of those passages say one word about countries not having a military, or forbidding them from fighting against some of the worst evil this world has ever seen. So you are using scripture inappropriately.

As for the tsunami that killed all those people in Japan and Thailand, yes God ordained it and allowed all those people to die. God is sovereign, liberal Christians just don't realize that. 

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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #55 on: April 25, 2015, 06:50:49 AM »
Graham -  “Our govt needs to halt all immigration of Muslims from countries that have active terrorist cells & take military action to defeat ISIS.”

Why would any Christian in their right mind be against this? This is probably the only thing we can agree with Billy Graham on. Lord save us from the liberal Christians.



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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #56 on: April 25, 2015, 09:13:27 AM »
)nicethread( “To rule out the hand of God in this … is to forget that He is in sovereign control of all events. If the sparrow falling to the ground is an event noted, and ordered, by Him, how much is this the case when the souls of so many thousands are parted from their bodies?”
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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #57 on: April 25, 2015, 09:16:04 AM »
Graham -  “Our govt needs to halt all immigration of Muslims from countries that have active terrorist cells & take military action to defeat ISIS.”

Psalm 20:7 Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the LORD our God.
8 They are brought down and fallen: but we are risen, and stand upright.
9 Save, LORD: let the king hear us when we call.


We don't have to trust in military might, but that doesn't mean that the military is something Christians should be against. There is a rule of law in the world and rulers appointed to carry it out.
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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2015, 04:06:04 AM »
There is a preacher saying that the earthquake in Nepal India yesterday that killed thousands was God's judgment upon them for their idol worship and false gospel and worship. Do any of you believe that this is true? Things like this did seem to take place in the Old Testament as judgments.

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Re: The Tsunami & Why are There so few Christians in Japan
« Reply #59 on: April 26, 2015, 07:49:26 PM »
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There is a preacher saying that the earthquake in Nepal India yesterday that killed thousands was God's judgment upon them for their idol worship and false gospel and worship. Do any of you believe that this is true?

No. I am sure there are some True Christians being killed as well.

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