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Apologetics / Re: The Systematic Feminization and Emasculation of Men
« Last post by Reformer on May 14, 2018, 11:15:19 AM »
I can say that you are not the first to notice this, because as far as society goes masculinity has been all but whiped out of men by this constant barrage of ideas that manly somehow equals "anti-women."

 It's a given today that men are objects of scorn and vilification on television and by women who are TV evangelists. Gay is in, being masculine is out. In the secular area, you can watch almost any TV commercial and witness a constant assault of attacks designed to demean the dignity of men as the biblical and historic father figure role model as provider and protector.

Is it unbiblical? Of course it is. God has a natural order of things and this is ma's way of rebelling against God.
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)amen( Let's face facts, just as El Diablo, Trump is waging a war against truth and the worst evangelicals are fighting alongside of him rather than against his war. Any truth that contradicts his lies, is demonized as fake news. Evangelicals like Dan and these preachers Trump keeps parading on stage with him, I think are at war with God.

Democracy dies in the darkness. Trump wants to keep people in darkness, and he uses lies and attacks journalists who uncover the lies in order to do so.
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Apologetics / The Systematic Feminisation and Emasculation of Men
« Last post by R. Anspach on May 14, 2018, 05:21:30 AM »

 I have been noticing more and more a systematic (or so it seems) feminization and emasculation of men in the world in general, but also alarmingly in the churches. Men are being portrayed as soft, inept, stupid, incapable of running a family and that is why the woman must take over. It's also seen in this great drive to have a woman President for some reason. This is also occurring in churches as women take over leadership positions because men allegedly are too lazy, incompetent or unable to take on the job. I've never seen men so put down. Men on TV are portrayed as bumbling idiots, and the women as the one coming in to save the day. For Christians, isn't this abandoning biblical principles or am I reading more into this than I should?
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Open Forum / Re: Happy Mother's Day!
« Last post by Manuel on May 14, 2018, 04:10:41 AM »
Thank you all for your good suggestions. In the end, I spent the day with her, gave her a lot of big hugs, and took her out to dinner. Thanks again.
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Apologetics / Re: Sabbath and Sabbaths New Testament Controversy
« Last post by ZeroCool on May 13, 2018, 07:28:49 PM »
 &TY Anspach, I learn something new everyday.
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Open Forum / Re: Happy Mother's Day!
« Last post by Tamara on May 13, 2018, 06:17:27 PM »

To all you hard working women out there, Happy Mother's Day!!


Happy mothers day. ;D I have to say though, you must be a little slow over there in the States. We celebrate mothers day in March! )laugh(

Happy Mother's day All!

Happy Mother's Day Ladies!

To all you ladies out there with children!






To all you God fearing and hard working women out there,
Happy Mother's Day!!




Thank you, dear brethren!!  )God-Bless-You(
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News flash, we don't care about the lies. We care about the country.

How can you care about the country and not care about the lies? Better yet, how can you be Christian and not care about the lies?

 )amen( Let's face facts, just as El Diablo, Trump is waging a war against truth and the worst evangelicals are fighting alongside of him rather than against his war. Any truth that contradicts his lies, is demonized as fake news. Evangelicals like Dan and these preachers Trump keeps parading on stage with him, I think are at war with God. They don't know it, but their weapons of war are carnal, rather than spiritual as it is supposed to be. When Dan, and also those like him who say they don't care about the lies, I think they show their true colors as far as being Christian.  Their excuse is that everyone lies. Personally, I have never, ever seen any politician lie like Trump, be as immoral as Trump, as arrogant, rude, crude, self loving, as greedy or that has a cult of personality that worships him as if he were a god. It's sickening because that is the essence of antichrist. A liar and false god who evangelicals worship. Connect the dots. Follow the money. Face the facts. Like John the Baptist, be a Christian.

"MarK 6:18 For John had said unto Herod, It is not lawful for thee to have thy brother's wife."


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Apologetics / Re: Sabbath and Sabbaths New Testament Controversy
« Last post by R. Anspach on May 13, 2018, 01:10:16 PM »
Zerocool,
  You're probably confused because the word there in your KJV Jesus is Joshua.  Jesus and Joshua in Hebrew is the same name. So it's saying "For if Joshua had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day."

Tony is correct, Paul speaks of Joshua the son of Nun, and as the land of Canaan was a figure of our true rest, so also Joshua was a figure of Christ.

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Apologetics / Re: Sabbath and Sabbaths New Testament Controversy
« Last post by ZeroCool on May 13, 2018, 12:30:21 PM »

Hebrews 4:8-9
  • "For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
  • There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God."

This of course answering the objection that Joshua made good on the Covenant with the children of Israel when he brought them into Canaan they entered into the rest of God.

Thanks Tony, I appreciate your time. One thing, I do not understand Jesus not giving Joshua rest when they came into Canaan?
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Apologetics / Re: Sabbath and Sabbaths New Testament Controversy
« Last post by Tony Warren on May 13, 2018, 10:25:06 AM »
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Is this also pointing to the Sunday Sabbath of rest as a sign of the Covenant? The first day of the week, Sunday?
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Yes, Absolutely. The Seventh Day Sabbath was actually pointing forward to the New Covenant with Israel wherein the children of God would find rest in Christ, the ultimate promised land and kingdom, and the Israel of God (hosea 11:1; Matthew 2:15). They keep the law looking forward to that rest, we keep the Sabbath law in Christ and look backward on the first of the New Testament commemoration Sabbaths, Sunday.

Exdus 31:16
  • "Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant."

Same as before, Israel wants to keep the Sabbath law, but we understand no one can work themselves into the Sabbath, we understand we must enter in through Christ, and through Him is continuity of Covenant and keeping the Sabbath.


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Matthew 28:1
"In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre."

There are two sabbaths there in my concordance. The New Covenant verses the old? Is that what you are saying, the dawn of the sabbath of rest in Christ?
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literally:

Matthew 28:1
  • "In the end of the Sabbaths [plural], as it began to dawn toward the first of the Sabbaths [plural], came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre."

Yes, as I said in that post, in conjunction with this scenario of the resurrection of Christ (Matthew 28:6) both the Sabbaths are "plural" to indicate it was the "end" of one era of Sabbaths (Old Testament, Saturday) and the "first" or beginning of another era of Sabbaths (New Testament, Sunday).

Mark 16:9
  • "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils."

That wording is "first Sabbath" there (translated first day of the week) when Christ appeared after being risen. Again, this is not in the context of Christ's resurrection on that Sunday by coincidence. The day of resurrection being on Sunday illustrates the beginning of the New Testament Sabbaths. If we continued to observe the Satuyrday Sabbath, we would be as Israel looking forward to this Resurrection, not backward at it. The same reason we don't sacrifice animals on an altar or go to Jerusalem 3 times a year. All that was completed or fulfilled in Christ.


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Is this also pointing to the Sunday Sabbath of rest as a sign of the Covenant? The New Covenant verses the old? Is that what you are saying, the dawn of the sabbath of rest in Christ?
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Yes, in Saturday worship the Old Covenant Sabbath looked forward to the resurrection of Christ as their Covenanted Rest, Sunday, the New Covenant Sabbath looks backward to the Resurrection of Christ as our Covenanted rest. In other words, it all points to Christ as the fulfillment of he Day of cessation of works (Grace/Sabbath). Notice why God says there was a Sabbath day instituted:

Deuteronomy 5:12-15
  • "Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
  • Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
  • But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
  • And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the Sabbath Day."

The Sabbath was instituted to illustrate Godís gift of redemption of His people from the house of bondage and bringing them into the Promised/Covenanted land, which again points to Christ and our deliverance from spiritual bondage and our translation into the Spiritual Promised/Covenanted land. In verse 14 God says the Sabbath was a day of the LORD thy God wherein His people were not to do any work. In other words, it is a day in our Lord where they not only didn't have to worry about works, but wherein under law no works could be done. It was a day of rest that could only come by Grace, not of works

Romans 11:6
  • "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

The Sabbath was instituted to prefigure the Covenant with the Israel of God, our ultimate cessation of works that is accomplished in the rest of Christ.

Hebrews 4:8-9
  • "For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
  • There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God."

This of course answering the objection that Joshua made good on the Covenant with the children of Israel when he brought them into Canaan they entered into the rest of God. He's explaining that it was not a physical rest in a physical nation that was in view, but a Spiritual rest in Christ. Because if that were the rest, then after they entered into th Canaan, the land of Israel, God would not have later spoken of a future day of entering the Sabbath of rest. Illustrating that the true rest was in the coming Christ when all nations would enter in His fulfillment of the Sabbath covenant.

Isaiah 56:6-7
  • "Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
  • Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people."


"nosce te ipsum"
 
Peace,
Tony Warren
"I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the Lord; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah. -Psalms 32:5"
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