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Eschatology / Re: Can We Use History to Interpret Daniel Instead of Scriptures
« Last post by Wanda on December 02, 2018, 07:52:52 AM »
thinking like that is the reason that you don't get interpretations belong to God.

 )Goodpoint(  Carnal Thinking like that of most evangelicals.
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Eschatology / Re: What is the Spiritual Meaning of Buying and Selling
« Last post by Melanie on December 02, 2018, 04:36:33 AM »
What about Simony of the Roman Catholic church?


Simony, the buying & selling of spiritual offices, act, and privilege by the RCC during and before the Reformation, is not specifically what Revelation is talking about. Although spiritually speaking, the RCC was guilty of this buying & selling that is documented in Revelation. The reason is because they were unfaithful servants not of God but under rule of Satan in doing these things. But I don't believe that the buying & selling of Revelation is restricted to the RCC if that is what you mean.

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Eschatology / Re: Can We Use History to Interpret Daniel Instead of Scriptures
« Last post by Melanie on December 02, 2018, 04:27:06 AM »
Red,
  First you need to understand that Daniel was a Premillennialist.

Daniel knew nothing of the Millennial reign of Christ, all he knew is the little that God revealed to him. You think Adam was a Premillennialist also?


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Second, the interpretation must be historical. There's no other way. Read that website.

I read the website. This one.

And thinking like that is the reason that you don't get interpretations belong to God. Interpretations don't have to be historical, they have to be consistent with the bible.


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Eschatology / Re: Is there a Depart out of the Church Connection in Zoar?
« Last post by Melanie on December 02, 2018, 04:22:10 AM »
Well, I think we can compare the judgment of Sodom and other cities with the fall of Babylon in Revelation 18.  What interested me about Genesis 19 is that God first ordered Lot and his family (wife and two daughters) to flee to "mountain" (similiar with, flee to mountain in Matthew 24?).  Lot, a righteous man, appeared t obe hesiated at first, and asked God to allow him to flee to a small one - Zoar, where God will not destory.  I am curious if anyone here can offer explain the significaiton about Zoar, being little one? Now, few verses later, this one caught my eyes:

Peace,
Erik Diamond

Erik,
   In reading this I agree with you. I definitely think that there is a very strong connection between Zoar, God's command to the church, and the church eventually following that command to the letter. First God commands his servant Lot to flee from Sodom, and in Revelation God uses Sodom as a reference for the church.

"And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Revelation 11:7-8"


The church God says is spiritually Sodom, so there's that connection. Second God tells Lot to flee to the mountain, again connecting what God says to his church when they see such abominations.

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: ) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Matthew 24:15-16"


Third He commands lot and family not to look back, and Christ warns the church of that as well.

"And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God. Luke 9:6"


Fourth Lot didn't immediately do what God had commanded and go directly to the mountain. Instead he went to Zoar. I looked it up and Zoar means little, which goes along with what Lot said.

"Behold now, this city is near to flee unto, and it is a little one: Oh, let me escape thither, (is it not a little one?) and my soul shall live. Genesis 19:20"


My thought on this Zoar is that it was near Sodom, but not Sodom, so Lot thought this little city might be safe from judgment. But that's not what God commanded Lot to do, right? I think the analogy is that Christians leave a church that has a lot of abomination in it as Sodom, and wanting fellowship they go to a church near Sodom but with little abominations or lesser abominations in it and they think they are safe. Then like Lot they come to the realization that they have to leave that church of lessor evil as well. Lot eventually left that city as required of God and fled to the mountain and lived in a cave. Don't you think the cave would represent being away from all cities in solitude with God on the mountain?

Do you agree or disagree that could be it? I see we're pretty much on the same page.
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Eschatology / Re: Can We Use History to Interpret Daniel Instead of Scriptures
« Last post by George on December 01, 2018, 09:19:27 AM »
Red,
  First you need to understand that Daniel was a Premillennialist.

https://paulbenware.com/prophecy/the-book-of-daniel/daniel-was-a-premillennialist/

Second, the interpretation must be historical. There's no other way. Read that website.
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Eschatology / Re: Can We Use History to Interpret Daniel Instead of Scriptures
« Last post by Melanie on December 01, 2018, 07:51:46 AM »
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What is your opinion of men who use "history" to interpret the book of Daniel, instead of using "only" the holy scriptures?

I would say that they are using a very unsound way to interpret scripture. That goes for the book of Daniel or any other book of the bible. As it is said, “Scripture interprets Scripture.” Only biblical history might interpret scripture, never secular history. Interpretation is a very important subject. I would recommend everyone interested in this important topic to read the thread:

Basic Principles of Sound Hermeneutics
http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=1098.0

A great read.
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Miscellaneous Topics / Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Last post by Lieberman on November 30, 2018, 03:46:08 AM »
With the news released yesterday, now we know why he is so chummy with the communists in Russia. Putin has dirt on him that could impeach him, including his offering him a 50 million dollar home. This is such a disturbed, criminal, dishonest and immoral man. The thought that he is popular among evangelicals is sickening.

As my mother always said, "you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas."

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Eschatology / Re: What is the Spiritual Meaning of Buying and Selling
« Last post by Herman Stowe on November 29, 2018, 04:41:35 PM »
What about Simony of the Roman Catholic church?
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Is President Donald Trump Actually Mentally Ill?
As Clinically Defined?

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Is President Donald Trump Actually Mentally Ill?
Classic Signs of Mental Deficiency

A PSYCHOCRIMINOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION
Compiled by
Dr. MICHELLE WHARREN

This pattern of perceiving, relating to and thinking about the situation only constitutes a personality disorder when it is inflexible and maladaptive, and results in impaired social functioning (Blackburn, 1990:453; First & Tasman, 2009:493; Peterson & Seligman, 2004:295). The clinical features for NPD are set out in the DSM-IV-TR (American Psychiatric Association, 2000:717), as a classification system to ensure common diagnostic criteria of mental disorders exists. Narcissistic personality is classified as a Cluster B disorder, namely the dramatic, emotional or erratic cluster. The DSM-IV-TR diagnostic criteria for NPD can be sub-divided into four broad categories, namely, interpersonal (criteria 4,5,6,7 and 8 ), selfimage (criteria 1 and 3), cognitive (criteria 2), and behavioural (criteria 9). In the DSM-IV-TR, the diagnostic criterion for NPD is outlined as follows. Pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, lack of emphathy, beginning in adulthood and indicated by 5 of the following traits:

  • Grandiose sense of self-importance
  • Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.
  • Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should only associate with, other special or high status people
  • Requests excessive admiration
  • Has a sense of entitlement (unreasonable expectations of especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
  • Is interpersonally exploitative (takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends)
  • Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognise or identify with the feelings and needs of others
  • Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
  • Shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes

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