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Apologetics / Re: Should We Spank Our Children
« Last post by aquatic on December 15, 2018, 02:54:45 PM »
As for Tony's post, he often seems to be living in a different time and society than the rest of us. This isn't the first century.

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 I would not like to live in a world where there is no free will, no divorce, children are beaten, women are second class citizens, no sex, and everything is Predestinated where you have no control. This seems to be Tony Warren's world from what I read, not this world.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world”
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Apologetics / Re: Should We Spank Our Children
« Last post by Jenny on December 15, 2018, 11:05:27 AM »
Melanie,
     There is one thing I don't tolerate from Christians or anyone else, and that is hitting children. That is not being a Christian or caring for your family. Don't try and use the bible to justify abuse of kids. A child should never be struck, period!

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Apologetics / Re: Should We Spank Our Children
« Last post by Maurice on December 15, 2018, 04:41:12 AM »
As for Tony's post, he often seems to be living in a different time and society than the rest of us. This isn't the first century.

 )smileyBounce(  )smileyBounce(  L O. L.   )GoodPopst(

 I would not like to live in a world where there is no free will, no divorce, children are beaten, women are second class citizens, no sex, and everything is Predestinated where you have no control. This seems to be Tony Warren's world from what I read, not this world.
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Apologetics / Re: Should We Spank Our Children
« Last post by Rose on December 14, 2018, 09:19:11 PM »

I agree with Doug and Betty. The reinforcement of Christian spanking of children is based on a misreading of a few verses of the Bible. Ministers say that the Bible doesn't endorse spanking, it endorses discipline. I tend to agree with that.
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Apologetics / Re: Should We Spank Our Children
« Last post by Doug Johnson on December 14, 2018, 03:44:02 PM »
I have to strongly disagree with you Melanie. I once believed in spankings as I grew up in that type of environment, but it simply doesn't work. Just like the child in that story you posted, children remember their father's violent anger and abuse and they visit that same violent beating upon their kids. It's a vicious cycle. I'm sure in the days of the Old Testament parents did the best they knew how with what they had, but it's a new day with new laws and rules and most importantly, children are different. I asked before, how is violence in striking people a good example to set for children. I share the concerns of all those who wish to discuss parenting methods, just as long as they don't include hitting children. I am so glad that unlike the old days, you could be arrested and charged with a crime and do real time for hitting your children. This is going to benefit children Melanie. It hasn't hurt them one bit. Children deserve more than to be violently hit by people twice their size, and especially Christians who should show love and know better that to use violence to teach.

As for Tony's post, he often seems to be living in a different time and society than the rest of us. This isn't the first century.

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Apologetics / Re: Should We Spank Our Children
« Last post by Betty on December 14, 2018, 02:58:29 PM »
This is not a Christian issue, it is a human being issue. You cannot attack children and think you can get away with it. Spanking is child abuse and should not be tolerated, especially by Christians who love their children. I'm shocked that you Melanie, ecause you are a woman and should understand the evil of beating children. You don't have any children, do you? Because if you did, I don't think you would hold that position.  ]ThUmBsDoWn[
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Apologetics / Re: Should We Spank Our Children
« Last post by Melanie on December 14, 2018, 08:04:32 AM »
So now we cannot even spank our children, even though spanking is legal in all states?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joaquin-arambula-california-state-assemblyman-arrested-released-spanking-daughter/

This is part of what's wrong with this country. Liberal people with no sense of discipline, training or responsibility. These morons suggest a time out for a spoiled brat acting out who knows even at that young age that all she has to do is tell her teacher and the parents are on their way to jail? This is why so many children in America don't respect their parents or anyone else anymore. It results from the government sticking their noses where they don't belong, and making it impossible to parent in a biblical manner. That is the real threat to a civil and moral society. These liberals don't understand that this is exactly why kids don't fear any kind of authority anymore. Nor do they realize that this disciple now that seems harsh, will serve them well later in heir lives. I'm living proof of that. Government should not be meddling in the way parents raise their children unless there is some "real" physical harm, certainly not for a spanking a angry vengeful kid who has been so spoiled she doesn't know what's good for her. That's the real sin that many Christians also commit in neglecting their God given duty as parents to raise God fearing children who will grow up to be respectful, responsible, contributing adults.

That's my soap box speech for today. Because I thank God my parents disciplined me when I was a child. People are so foolish these days.
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Apologetics / Re: The Infralapsarian Or Supralapsarian Debate
« Last post by Trevor on December 14, 2018, 05:44:32 AM »


I believe that the Supralapsarian position illustrates the holiness of God in relationship to the fall and the logical order of His decrees and justice much better than Infra. I read this interesting article by Geerhardus Vos and thought I would share it with you to see if you had any comments or disagreed with this conclusion.

http://feedingonchrist.com/geerhardus-vos-supra-infra-lapsarianism/
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Apologetics / Re: What Does Hanukkah or Chanukah Commemorate
« Last post by Dan on December 13, 2018, 11:57:22 AM »
Tony. I've never heard this before. Thanks for the education. Never knew Hanukkah was actually a word based in scripture.

Just a thought, but did you ever consider you never heard this before because it's personal Tony's opinion and not based on the history of Israel and the learned scholars who have studied this history for countless years? You really should investigate the history of Hanukkah told by the people who lived it and not Amillennialists who attempt to replace Israel at every turn.

https://www.history.com/topics/holidays/hanukkah

Please, for your sake consider the popular and long time validity of Premillennialism because it is based on the literal facts, both in scripture and history.
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Theology / Re: Baptismal Regeneration?
« Last post by Reformer on December 13, 2018, 10:23:58 AM »

have you read Which Baptism is Baptism?

http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/bible/baptism.html

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