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Trump's Tax Nightmare Comes True As New York District Attorney

Probes Trump Fraud And Continues To Demand His Taxes


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Miscellaneous Topics / Re: The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly
« Last post by Philly Dawg on Today at 12:42:23 AM »
Joe To GOP: Hold Trump Accountable On The Pandemic

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Trump's Lackey Postmaster General DeJoy Works to Slow

 Mail Delivery To Undermine the Election. Step Up Congress!


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Prosecutors Say Trump Probe Extends Beyond Hush Money Payments

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Miscellaneous Topics / Re: The 2020 Election
« Last post by Philly Dawg on Today at 12:38:22 AM »
Chris Wallace Nails Trump Adviser ON AIR
 Over Trump Accepting Foreign Help In 2020 Election


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Theology / Re: Who Are The Twenty Four Elders
« Last post by Mark on Yesterday at 09:50:56 PM »
Greetings Mark~I will only say this concerning the fallen angels~In my understanding it has not been already put to the sword and found wanting~Consider this reply in that thread ( http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=193.270 Reply #277 on: March 09, 2018, 12:50:45 PM  ) I was the one that I had given to PHeart to consider when we spoke via email. Those points were never address, maybe an oversight, I do not know, yet for sure they were never address.

Fair enough, maybe not all of the post were answered but considering the whole of the thread my opinion is that it showed how fatally flawed the doctrine of fallen angels in the garden with Adam and Eve then back in heaven in the time of Job and reconciling the timing of revelation 12 with the war in heaven etc. Yes the issues raised (Reply #277)by Puritan Heart were valid and deserve valid answers.

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Not believing in angels which are spirits to me is closely akin to the Sadducces doctrine of denying spirits!
Quote from:  Mark on: Yesterday at 07:28:41 PM
there are no non-elect angels but there are messengers called but not chosen (people) who are of the church and have left their first estate and are under condemnation.
)thinker(

I said fallen angels are not supernatural demons but people, fallen messengers of God (i.e. Israel after the flesh in part/the stone the builders rejected). I am not denying spirits as you charge me with the doctrine of the sadducces but what type spirit is the question. We are called to try/test the spirits because many false prophets have gone out into the world, are we trying evil supernatural devils in the church or are we testing the doctrines of men who have that spirit of disobedience (their own unclean, cursed spirit)?

Apologies to the moderator if this needs to be moved into the other thread.

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Theology / Re: Who Are The Twenty Four Elders
« Last post by Erik Diamond on Yesterday at 06:31:45 PM »
Yeah, I know Bloodstone. Itll be interesting how Red answer it honestly or will he explains it away as usual to fit his interpretation. 
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Theology / Re: Who Are The Twenty Four Elders
« Last post by bloodstone on Yesterday at 05:11:44 PM »
First, exactly who are the elect angels, Red?

 )goodquestion( erik. I wonder if he'll answer it simply or do his usual tap dance with out of context scriptures?
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Theology / Re: Who Are The Twenty Four Elders
« Last post by Erik Diamond on Yesterday at 04:15:05 PM »
Quote from: Fred
God, the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, ALL from heaven watching/observing our works of righteousness.

According to context:


1 Timothy 5:19-24 KJV
[19]  Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
[20]  Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
[21] I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
[22]  Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.
[23]  Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
[24] Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.


First, exactly who are the elect angels, Red?
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