Erik,
  Yes, God says we are the true Jews, and isn't it ironic that it is just those verses we bear witness to that breeds hatred from the Premils and many Jewish religionists. Do you think it is a pride thing?

I've also had some Christians get heated when discussing the verse in revelations, where God says he will judge false Jews.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Even though passages like this are God's word, they always seem to twist them or claim that they refer to us, who aren't Jews and claim to be Jews. So it's a never ending denial loop against truth for these Christians. Anti-semitism is in the eye of the beholder.

How true!  Many professed Christians don't seem to understand Roman 10 and 11.  They denied that Gentiles Elects are indeed Jews in God's eyes.  They refuse to receive what God says by remove these statement OUT of the context

Romans 10:12

• For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

One family of God, making up of both ethnic Jews and Gentiles. They all are under one covenant, one Israel.   Gentiles are now part of Covenant Israel right along with the remnant like Peter, Paul and ALL Jewish believers IN CHRIST.  There are not two New Covenants with Israel, but ONE. THere is only ONE CHILDREN of God, which is the BODY of Christ.  Please consider carefully what Ephesians declared:

Ephesians 2:11-20

• Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
• That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
• But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
• For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
• Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
• And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
• And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
• For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
• Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
• And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;"

What professed Christians failed to understand that once we were Gentiles, strangers and aliens of the commonwealth of Israel, we are NOW fellow citizens along with Jewish believers. We are no longer foreigners or strangers from the covenant of Israel, or a seperate group of people!  We are FELLOW SAINTS, whether premillennialists like it or not, or even consider it as anti-semetics!

There is not such thing as two separate salvation programs - one for Jews and another for Gentiles. That is absurd!  It is pre-millennialists' pride, political agenda, and wishful thinking and their faulty church tradition that taught it.  There is only ONE TREE, ONE BODY, ONE ISRAEL, ONE HOLY CITY, not made by hand:

Rev 21:2

• And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Rev 21:9-10

• And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
• And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

The Lamb's wife makes up of all believers IN CHRIST coming out of Old and New Testament.  One family of Jews and Gentiles. In a SPIRITUAL CITY, not literal.

Of course, sadly, the premillennialists like to argue that there will be "future" restoration for the whole nation of Israel filled ethnic Jews and expect to see a literal bricks of temple and city being rebuilt again.  That is why they are throwing support (and money) for national Israel against the Arabs today thinking it is Godly duties for all Christians, while they know not that THEIR CHURCHES are under attack of the Beast. That is why God sees them as "foolish virgins" of Matthew 25 who can not see what is really going on!    

Erik

What is anti-seminism? Unfortunately, for some unbiblical theologians like Hal Lindsey, and premil TV evangelists, it is assumed that anti-Semitism is any theology that does not hold that Jewish people (Physical descendants) will one day dominate the world. That is an absurd definition, but many theologians hold to it.  And they pit one against another in the Church.

 Romans 10:12  For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

But if we are to take anti-seminism to mean prejudice and hatred of the Jews, then all those who come against the gospel and Christ's Church are anti-semetic. Because true Christians are the true Jews according to God's definition. However, it is just this truth that causes many of these unbiblical Christians to hate us and call us anti-semetic. It is quite a paradox.

 Secondary?

 Romans 10:12  For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

  God's word doesn't support that.

Wasn't Martin Luther, the great reformer and respected theologian by you guys, anti-semetic? Have you read some of his comments about Jews? John sugar coats it and chooses to sweep things under the rug concerning reformed theologians of that amill position.

What is anti-Semitism?

The term anti-Semitism refers only to anti-Jewish prejudice. The word first appeared in the 1860s in Germany and was used and propagated by the German agitator Wilhelm Marr, who wrote the anti-Jewish pamphlet entitled, "The victory of Judaism over Germanness from the non-religious point of view" published in 1879. Marr and other contemporaries, like Ernest Renan, in France considered at the time that the Jews belonged to the "Semite race" whereas in fact the adjective "semite" refers to a linguistic family (Hebrew, Arabic, Aramean, Babylonian, Assyrian, and Ethiopian) and not to a people.

Marr limited the meaning of "Semite" to Jews alone. Once the term was coined it referred only to hatred of the Jews. Today it is commonly used to refer exclusively to hostility toward Jews. When Marr coined the term and propagated the modern meaning of anti-Semitism, the hatred of the Jews as a race, developed. This was the same period as the birth and rise of the "Nation-States", which were sometimes considered as "racially homogeneous": Jews were considered as a "foreign body" within the nation endangering national unity and that needed to be removed. The "völkisch" movement in Germany at the end of the 19th century adhered to this attitude.

The fact that the term "anti-Semitism" was the result of a racist ideology and has become an accepted term in day to day language reveals its ambiguity. The very use of the term accredits the myth that it claims to combat by giving credence to the fantasy of a difference between Aryans and Semites.

-Excerpted from Shoah

One of my relatives is actively involved with International House of Prayer (http://www.ihop.org). It is where young people, especially college students, come to pray 24/7 to experience some emotions, healings, and "deliverance".  Their inspiration is based on Anna, they believe was the first evangelist and forerunner in the New Testament who prayed and fasted for over 60 years before Jesus' first coming (Luke 2:37), and from King David who organized and paid 4,000 musicians and 288 singers to worship God each hour around the clock (First Chronicles 23-25).  Is that how God wanted us to run our church like this today?

Regardless, my relative wrote in his Facebook about his experience in IHOP's prayer room:

"I have never seen the Lord this way. It is crazy! No way I can describe how I feel and how in love I am with Jesus after tonight. I am dehydrated, exhausted, and sore from laughing and crying. I could not be happier."

"The Spirit is moving is being moving at IHOP. Those who are within traveling distance should come. I've been crying all afternoon. Healings, deliverance, salvation. Nothing better than the uncreated God-Man having fun with His people."

These kind of comments reminds me of Revival tents I am hearing about, doesn't it? Do we really need musicians for this?  Do we need to pray (or play music) 24/7 until we experience emotions or "intimacy" with God?  Is it Biblical?  

Erik

The difference is that Premillennialists love the Jewish people, and will be rewarded for it. And the Amillennialists hate the Jews and want to replace them as God's chosen people. Here's a good article.

http://www.shoaheducation.com/amillenialism.html

Just remember. The Jewish Nation's identity as the Chosen is a fact. Even Christ said he came to seek "the lost sheep of the house of Israel"...others were secondary.

Thank you John for taking the time to answer my question so thoughtfully. I think I understand it much better now. So then most Christians (since most are not Amillennialists) are really the ones who are biased, but towards Israel being people of the Lord? Is there any chance that the nation of Israel might start following Christ as their Messiah? Some Christians say that though they are not now, they will be in the future. And Christ will rule from Jerusalem. I read this in a reformed forum and that is why I look at it more seriously.

One more question. What is Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinus alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes?

Thanks!

Dispensational Premillennialism - Teaches that Christ comes before a 7-year tribulation (during which anti-Christ reigns - 3.5 years of peace followed by 3.5 years of suffering) Christ takes His church (living and dead) into heaven (pre-mil rapture). Afterward this, Christ rules like David from the New Jerusalem on earth for 1000 years (Satan is bound - universal peace), the Jews are saved and the earth fully evangelized. After this, Satan is unbound, loosed, and deceives the nations to do battle against Christ's army, ending in judgment day for the wicked and Satan, and ushering in everlasting glory for the rest.

Historic Premillennialism - Similar in many ways to dispensationalism above: Christ returns and the saints raptured followed by the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth (may not be taken exactly literally). During this period the Jews are saved and join the church, though with less emphasis on a special Jewish plan of salvation as in dispensationalism.

Postmillennialism - Teaches there is not a literal earthly 1000 year reign of Christ, but rather a gradual increase in Christ's rulership through the gospel message being proclaimed throughout the world. When the world is sufficiently Christian - a golden age of world-wide belief, then Christ can return - ushering in Judgment Day and eternal glory for the believers. Generally, Postmils believe the end-times Scriptures point backward to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, and are not future events. It sees the Jew and Gentile as one Church - rather than the church as a temporary digression (due first century Jewish unbelief) from the goal of their ultimate redemption, as in dispensationalism.

Amillennialism -Teaches that the reign of Christ and defeat of Satan happened at the Cross - that Christ rules now from heaven. After the evangelism of the world and the salvation of the elect, enters the end time falling away as anti-Christs arise and Satan gains rulership over the churches. This causes the believers a period of tribulation as wickedness overcomes the churches, the truth is not found, and they are forced to flee. Christ returns suddenly and raptures the Church and then judges the living and the dead casting them into the Lake of Fire. Following this, this creation is destroyed and a New Heaven and a New Earth wherein righteousness will eternally dwell is created, with Christ in the midst of His now glorified and perfected saints. In Amil teaching, the Jews are no different than other nations in God's eyes - we are all saved by grace through the faithfulness of Christ.

The sticking point concerning the salvation of the nation of Israel is that Amillennialism views the Jewish people as sinful rebels with hatred for God. In the Amil viewpoint, Israel has no special standing and therefore is not special in God's eyes - rather, only the elect are special, and these are scattered amongst the nations of the earth.

The Dispensational Premillennialism holds the Jews as God's Special People, with unfilled promises, and a future golden age of salvation and worldly power as in the days of David and Solomon. They demand the temple sacrifices return and the Jews all become saved. Historic Premillennialism can also agree that many (perhaps not all) the Jews will join the Church. The Post-mils can agree that the Jews will also be saved - since ultimately in their view the entire world is eventually Christianized.

The only truly odd-man-out is Amillennialism - and so its adherents are often criticized by the other systems of eschatology for being anti-Semitic and having a poor regard to the future salvation of the Jewish people. Truth is, the Amil simply treats their future prospects no differently than any other nation - which is not anti-semitism, but rather a proper view of the equality of sinfulness before God and equality of mercy under God. 

Rather than running the nation of Israel down, the Amillennial position levels the playing field back to Biblical proportions. By not elevating the Jews as special and placing them on a pedestal as something they are not, Amillennialism determines all men equally accountable to God and equally eligible for salvation - one salvation program for all men throughout all time. That is not anti-semitic, it is simply the truth.

john