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Title: Who was the Wife of Cain?
Post by: Neeson on January 21, 2020, 05:02:54 PM
Hello,
  I've been trying to find out who was the wife of Cain? Where did she come from? In fact, where did any of Adam's sons find wives or his daughters find husbands? Thanks for any help you can give me.
Title: Re: Who was the Wife of Cain?
Post by: Mark on January 21, 2020, 05:50:50 PM
Hello,
  I've been trying to find out who was the wife of Cain? Where did she come from? In fact, where did any of Adam's sons find wives or his daughters find husbands? Thanks for any help you can give me.

Hi and welcome Neeson,

Quick answer is the wife of Cain was Adam and Eveís daughter or grand daughter considering nearly 130 years have past since creation. Consider the following:

Gen 4:25
And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
Gen 5:3
And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

All of mankind are descended from our first parents in Adam (meaning man) and Eve (mother of all the living).

Gen 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Title: Re: Who was the Wife of Cain?
Post by: Neeson on January 22, 2020, 06:32:06 AM

Hi Mark and thanks for replying. So you're saying that incest was not forbidden originally?  That it became forbidden later on in the history of mankind?
Title: Re: Who was the Wife of Cain?
Post by: PeterJ on January 22, 2020, 10:07:27 AM
No I don't think so Neeson. Incest is forbidden by God. Unless I missed something.

Title: Re: Who was the Wife of Cain?
Post by: Reformer on January 22, 2020, 10:38:50 AM
No I don't think so Neeson. Incest is forbidden by God. Unless I missed something.

I think you missed that Adam and Eve is the two people from which all of mankind sprung. That would necesarrily mean that in the beginning brothers and sisters, and then cousins and others, were allowed to marry.
Title: Re: Who was the Wife of Cain?
Post by: Mark on January 22, 2020, 05:31:45 PM

Hi Mark and thanks for replying. So you're saying that incest was not forbidden originally?  That it became forbidden later on in the history of mankind?

Hi Neeson, that would be a given in the early years of creation since God said the first man was Adam, he didnít have another group of people born from apart of him which is a spurious teaching of a pre-adamic race.

1st Cor 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Title: Re: Who was the Wife of Cain?
Post by: Reggie Matthews on January 23, 2020, 03:44:05 AM

Does anyone know when it became a sin?  It had to be after the flood, right?
Title: Re: Who was the Wife of Cain?
Post by: Kyle on January 23, 2020, 08:32:30 AM
No I don't think so Neeson. Incest is forbidden by God. Unless I missed something.

Hey everyone. This is an interesting topic. Since God has made a law forbidding incest today, does that mean that some sin didn't used to be sin in the past, but became sin later on?  )thinker(
Title: Re: Who was the Wife of Cain?
Post by: Roger Dodson on January 23, 2020, 12:18:35 PM
 )inter( )thinker(
Title: Re: Who was the Wife of Cain?
Post by: Mark on January 23, 2020, 05:07:03 PM
Try to follow, sin is transgression of Godís law, when the law is given if you transgress the law you sin against God.

Rom 5:13
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Concerning the law of incest.

Lev 18:6-9
6 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.
7 The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
8 The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness.
9 The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.

It was certainly necessary to inter-marry in the early years as mankind would all be Adam and Eveís physical children.

Title: Re: Who was the Wife of Cain?
Post by: Joe Johnson on January 24, 2020, 04:50:14 PM

Mark, I believe that if something is a sin today, then it was a sin yesterday. You can't have it both ways. Do you believe in new sins? Every sin that is today, has been a sin a thousand years ago. There are no new sins that were not sins before.
Title: Re: Who was the Wife of Cain?
Post by: Forward on January 24, 2020, 05:03:04 PM
Hi Neeson, you can read the answer by Tony Warren available here on the website,

http://www.mountain-retreat.org/faq/who_was_cains_wife.shtml
Title: Re: Who was the Wife of Cain?
Post by: ZeroCool on January 24, 2020, 08:35:52 PM
 )cLaPpInGg(  I thought I had read all of Tony's articles, but this is proof I haven't. Thanks Forward, that was a good explanation.
Title: Re: Who was the Wife of Cain?
Post by: Erik Diamond on January 24, 2020, 09:25:18 PM
I read the article and wondered why the early families get to live to 800 years when we can only live up to 75-100.  That is pretty a long time. Think Adam stay faithful with Eve until death?
Title: Re: Who was the Wife of Cain?
Post by: Mark on January 24, 2020, 09:29:59 PM

Mark, I believe that if something is a sin today, then it was a sin yesterday. You can't have it both ways. Do you believe in new sins? Every sin that is today, has been a sin a thousand years ago. There are no new sins that were not sins before.

So Joe I take it you believe Cain didnít marry his relative making Godís word null and void by Adam not being the first man and thereby destroying the doctrine of original sin? If you look it up, the law to marry sister/relatives was given at the time of Moses (Lev 17:26)thousands of years later than the time of Cain and Abel. Like I said before sin is transgression of Godís commandments, when God said to Adam you may eat of all the trees in the garden except for the tree of knowledge of good and bad and then Adam and Eve disobeyed God and thatís when sin and death entered the world. As it is written.

James 1:13-16
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
Title: Re: Who was the Wife of Cain?
Post by: Jon Thomas on January 25, 2020, 12:54:47 PM
I read the article and wondered why the early families get to live to 800 years when we can only live up to 75-100.  That is pretty a long time.

Because there was very little disease and degeneration because it was an early earth and creation. New diseases are created every year because of the curse, and with the genetic mutations the body gets more and more weak or fragile every year because of sin and things like new germs, pollution, disease and so many more weak people surviving. It once was that only the strong survive, it hasn't been like that  for thousands of years. The rich, sinful, and genetically weak survive and prosper. It's a whole collection of things that led to shorter life spans.

 Psalms 90:8-10
 Thou hast set our iniquities before thee, our secret sins in the light of thy countenance.
 For all our days are passed away in thy wrath: we spend our years as a tale that is told.
 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.


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Think Adam stay faithful with Eve until death?

Yes.
Title: Re: Who was the Wife of Cain?
Post by: Kevin Madson on January 25, 2020, 03:20:43 PM
Think Adam stay faithful with Eve until death?

He had to be unless he was molesting his own kids.  Besides, wasn't he a saved man? Or am I wrong about that?
Title: Re: Who was the Wife of Cain?
Post by: Tony Warren on January 26, 2020, 02:00:28 PM
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Mark, I believe that if something is a sin today, then it was a sin yesterday.
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You certainly can believe that, but it's clear from Scripture that often things are not a sin until God "commands" that it not be done. When God says "Thou Shalt Not," then to do so is a sin to disobey that "law" that God has put forth.

Leviticus 19:19

Before God told them that they could not plant two different kinds of seeds in a field, this was not a sin to do so. Until God laid that law down to represent the separation of God's people, to have done so was not a sin. Neither is it a sin for God's people to do so today.


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You can't have it both ways.
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We're not having it both ways. Without the fobidding of something by God's law, there is no sin. The exact definition of sin is "breaking God's law." If there is no law against something, there obviously cannot be a sin (violation of law).

1st John 3:4

You can't have sin without law. If there is no prohibition of something by God, there is no violation of law since it's not been forbidden. That's not having it both ways, that's having it one way.


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Do you believe in new sins?
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Of course. Whenever God created new laws, then that meant there were new sins. Again, as an example, before God told Israel not to mingle/marry with the heathen, it was not a sin for His people to do so. Because remember, all Israel came from the same stock, which was the man Jacob. Thus they married others.

Genesis 32:28

So for years the seed of Israel mingled with and married other people. So it couldn't have been a sin early on to be yoked together outside of Israel. It "became a sin" for the children of Israel later on after God saw fit to forbid the children of Israel from mingling. So the notion that God couldn't make something a sin that wasn't sin before or new laws instituted by Him where man could transgress, is proven in error.


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Every sin that is today, has been a sin a thousand years ago.
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From my last example, that is clearly not true. When God gives a new law, that creates a new sin for man. Here's a different example:

2nd Chronicles 8:13

Is it a sin now for the children of Israel not to keep this commandment/law? Is it a sin for the children of God to ignore this command and not do this three times a year? Was it a sin in the past but it's not a sin to not do it today? The reason this is not a sin today is because God instituted ceremonial laws that actually pointed to the reality in Christ. So those laws are not applicable today. God's people don't have to get on a plane and go to Jerusalem three times a year. So once again we see that what was a sin thousands of years ago is not necessarily a sin today.


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There are no new sins that were not sins before.
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John 13:34-35

Is this a new law or commandment of God or did He simply misspeak? Likewise, does the children of Israel need to sacrifice turtledoves, calves, and bulls again according to old laws? Do you know that this was commanded of the children of Israel? Why is it not commanded of God's people now? Is it now not a sin to forsake those laws? Is it now not a sin to mix different threads together in a garment as God's law said it was thousands of years ago? If that is not a sin today, then something that was a sin before is no longer a sin today. Because Sin is the transgression of God's law and you can't transgress what God no longer requires by law.


"nosce te ipsum"
 
Peace,
Tony Warren
"i acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the Lord; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah. -Psalms 32:5"
Title: Re: Who was the Wife of Cain?
Post by: Philly Dawg on January 27, 2020, 02:28:10 AM
Leviticus 19:19
  • "Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee."

Before God told them that they could not plant two different kinds of seeds in a field, this was not a sin to do so.

Obviously. Unfortunately, neither scripture, examples, nor logic works on some of these radical evangelicals. Based on their denials of these marriages they're still not convinced that all life came from one man Adam, even though the bible plainly says so.

But good examples for others to read.  ]ThUmBsUp[
Title: Re: Who was the Wife of Cain?
Post by: Reformer on January 27, 2020, 04:13:32 AM
Leviticus 19:19
  • "Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee."

Before God told them that they could not plant two different kinds of seeds in a field, this was not a sin to do so.

Obviously. Unfortunately, neither scripture, examples, nor logic works on some of these radical evangelicals. Based on their denials of these marriages they're still not convinced that all life came from one man Adam, even though the bible plainly says so.

But good examples for others to read.  ]ThUmBsUp[


 )iagree( Here is what I've come to realize over the years. No one is going to come to truth unless and until they first accept the FACT that the bible is the inerrant word of God. It cannot be argued with, it cannot be bargained with, it cannot be haggled with. You either accept that it is true and authoritative, or you don't. You either know it speaks the truth or you hem and haw over how it doesn't really mean what it said. Why do you think some professing Christians seek to invalidate the idea that honesty is the fruit of the righteous, that the Kingdom of Christ has come, that immorality is not trivial, that God absolutely hates divorce, that we are to be a different, separated, holy people, that lying is the handiwork of the Devil, or that predestination means exactly that? Is it not because of the rebellion in their heart against the word of God? Or to put it another way, because they don't like, hold dear, or treasure what it says? All sin starts with that rebellion against what God says. A group of Christians or a church that is full of hypocrites don't really care what the Bible says, they only care about what they believe is true. In other words, God's word is not their real authority, Christ is not their real Lord, their own belly (what they desire) or what they want is their authority.

Job 15:34 For the congregation of hypocrites shall be desolate, and fire shall consume the tabernacles of bribery.

Clearly these words are meaningless to many but is the treasure of the absolute truth to God's chosen people.

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

By grace of God I've made my choice.
Title: Re: Who was the Wife of Cain?
Post by: Dustin on January 29, 2020, 02:24:02 AM
Here is what I've come to realize over the years. No one is going to come to truth unless and until they first accept the FACT that the bible is the inerrant word of God. It cannot be argued with, it cannot be bargained with, it cannot be haggled with. You either accept that it is true and authoritative, or you don't. You either know it speaks the truth or you hem and haw over how it doesn't really mean what it said.

Yup! It never ceases to amaze me how so many Christians want to argue with the Bible instead of obey what it says.

Cain's wife is simply a process of elimination.