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Biblical Discussions => Apologetics => Topic started by: Spencer on August 10, 2019, 10:29:33 AM

Title: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Spencer on August 10, 2019, 10:29:33 AM

From what I witness, read, hear and see, it could be argued that the modern day Republican Pro-Trump, professing believers, are hurting Christianity more than the Democratic Christians or even the adversarial unbelievers of the world. What do you think?

I believe that what was once a slam dunk in favor of Republicans is now a fifty / fifty proposition. Because today I don't see the Republicans having appreciable more integrity, honesty or morality than the Democrats do, and some might argue less.

The fundamental things that Christianity has from the beginning stood for was being Christlike, speaking the truth in love, having a certain integrity, obeying rule of law, and accepting the word as authoritative. That's all gone now in most Republican Christianity. It's not following Christianity anymore, that seems to be replaced by following your tribe, using situation ethics, ability to justify lies and blatant hypocrisy. Sometimes I feel like atheists have more integrity than some Christians. What has happened to the church to cause such an abandonment of Christian principles?

Let me say that though this thread is entitled Republican and Democrats and the cause of Christianity, I don't want this to be a political or tribal thread. We have plenty of that in the miscellaneous section. Just reasons why you think that there has been such a change in how Christians are acting and now seem to justify evil when it is to their benefit. Both sides. I know some Christians always have done this, but not on this massive scale I don't think. It kinda makes me think that some are right in saying the Prostitutes get into heaven before some professing believers.

Your honest thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Kira on August 10, 2019, 01:20:14 PM

I know what you mean spencer. It's close these days. But there is a decline in everything, not just Christian morality. I think it is because we are nearing the end of time.
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: David Knoles on August 10, 2019, 02:39:01 PM
No. That's ridiculous.
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Erik Diamond on August 10, 2019, 03:36:13 PM
Quote from: “David Knoles”
No. That's ridiculous


Say someone who can’t answer the simple questions on other thread recently (http://http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=3495.msg42619#msg42619). Now that is really ridiculous that he is making such statement here instead. 
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Red on August 10, 2019, 03:58:24 PM
Your honest thoughts on this?
Greetings Spencer~My personal conviction is that for a Christian to get heavily involved in the politics of this world hurts the cause of Christianity for very little good can come from that to honor the name of Jesus Christ. This world is NOT our home~ we are strangers and pilgrims herein and truly seek a better country than this sin-cursed world~ And we certainly do not trust the men of this world and look to them to bring us happiness, peace, and joy.

But to more accurately answer your question~ I would say for a Christian supporting the Democratic Party is a shame and disgrace knowing what they stand for. The lessor of the two evils is very clear to me...... it is the Republican party.
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Sue Landow on August 11, 2019, 07:04:24 AM

> Do Republicans now hurt the cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?

Yes, unquestionably. That's like asking do the Scribes hurt the cause of Christ more than the Pharisees? They equally hurt the cause of Christ because they are both adversaries to it. Any sin will send unbelievers to hell. So why haggle over which sinner has the worse sin? They are all destined for the same place unless they repent.
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Erik Diamond on August 11, 2019, 07:24:21 AM
Good post
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Robert Powell on August 11, 2019, 08:29:08 AM

> Do Republicans now hurt the cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?

Yes, unquestionably. That's like asking do the Scribes hurt the cause of Christ more than the Pharisees? They equally hurt the cause of Christ because they are both adversaries to it. Any sin will send unbelievers to hell. So why haggle over which sinner has the worse sin? They are all destined for the same place unless they repent.

 )preach_(  )GoodPopst(
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Joe Johnson on August 11, 2019, 09:12:02 AM
But to more accurately answer your question~ I would say for a Christian supporting the Democratic Party is a shame and disgrace knowing what they stand for. The lessor of the two evils is very clear to me...... it is the Republican party.

Spoken like a good Christian Red. The Democrats are devils who want to have open abortions, purge the country of white people, bring in socialist welfare and usher in the liberal world rule that will bring war and destruction to the world. The Republicans are the only thing standing between truth and the mainstream media war on honesty. The President speaks honestly without political correctness, and that's what liberals hate about him. I want to pass along some very important things that we Christians need to hear. In December of 2017, President Donald Trump made history by recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Why is this big news? Because by this the Jewish people of Israel are now able to press forward in bringing about the Third Temple prophesied in the Bible.

Jewish Rabbis have publicly announced that their Messiah will be revealed in the coming years who will be a leader and spiritual guide to all nations, gathering all religions under the worship of one God.

Biblical prophecy tells us that this Jewish Messiah who will take the stage will be the antichrist “who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God” (2 Thessalonians 2:4). For a time he will bring about a false peace, but “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (Matthew 24:15)…then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be” (Matthew 24:21).

More importantly, the power that runs the world wants to put a RFID microchip in our body making us total slaves to them. This chip matches perfectly with the Mark of the Beast in the Bible, more specifically in Revelation 13:16-18:

“He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.”

Referring to the last days, this could only be speaking of a cashless society, which we have yet to see, but are heading towards. Otherwise, we could still buy or sell without the mark amongst others if physical money was still currency. This Mark couldn’t be spiritual because the word references two different physical locations. If it was spiritual it would just say in the forehead. RFID microchip implant technology will be the future of a one world cashless society containing digital currency. It will be implanted in the right-hand or the forehead, and we cannot buy or sell without it. Revelation 13:11-18 tells us that a false prophet will arise on the world scene doing miracles before men, deceiving them to receive this Mark. Do not be deceived! We must grow strong in Jesus. AT ALL COSTS, DO NOT TAKE IT!

“Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name” (Revelation 14:9-11).

People have been saying the end is coming for many years, but we needed two key things. One, the Third Temple, and two, the technology for a cashless society to fulfill the prophecy of the Mark of the Beast.

Visit http://WWW.BIBLEFREEDOM.COM to see proof for these things and why the Bible truly is the word of God!

If you haven’t already, it is time to seek God with all your heart. Jesus loves you more than you could imagine. He wants to have a relationship with you and redeem you from your sins. Turn to Him and repent while there is still hope! This is forever…God bless!

“EITHER HUMAN INTELLIGENCE ULTIMATELY OWES ITS ORIGIN TO MINDLESS MATTER OR THERE IS A CREATOR…” – JOHN LENNOX

We all know God exists. Why? Because without Him, we couldn’t prove anything at all. Do we live our lives as if we cannot know anything? No. So why is God necessary? In order to know anything for certain, you would have to know everything, or have revelation from somebody who does. Who is capable of knowing everything? God. So to know anything, you would have to be God, or know God.


Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Sojourner on August 11, 2019, 10:46:31 AM

Close vote, closer than I would have thought. I think every Christian's vote should be yes. I for one am sick of the hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Diane Moody on August 11, 2019, 01:09:54 PM
Spoken like a good Christian Red.

And you would know?  I wouldn't consider your vote of confidence as something to brag about  )L-candle(
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Anne on August 11, 2019, 06:21:44 PM
 )ditto(
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Kyle on August 12, 2019, 03:42:59 AM

Too many maybe's on the poll for me. Grow a pair! You either believe it or you don't. I can't stand this modern inability to say or do anything about anything.

Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Drew on August 12, 2019, 04:05:19 AM
Spoken like a good Christian Red. The Democrats are devils who want to have open abortions, purge the country of white people, bring in socialist welfare and usher in the liberal world rule that will bring war and destruction to the world. The Republicans are the only thing standing between truth and the mainstream media war on honesty. The President speaks honestly without political correctness, and that's what liberals hate about him.

 )GoodPopst(
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Red on August 12, 2019, 04:46:30 AM
Biblical prophecy  ("Those who do not understand"....Red) tells us that this Jewish Messiah who will take the stage will be the antichrist “who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God” (2 Thessalonians 2:4). For a time he will bring about a false peace, but “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (Matthew 24:15)…then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be” (Matthew 24:21).
(Mr. Johnson, the strikethrough and added words were done by me for emphasis~Red)

My friend this is HAPPENING NOW in the false churches of Mystery Babylon where both Republicans and many, many, many, more Democrats sits professing the name of Jesus Christ throughout this world which is one sector (false churches) of Mysterty Babylon!

Sir, the words in the quote box are being fulfilled NOW, just in a different sense in which MOST do not understand. Is that not the way bible prophecy has ALWAYS worked? There is nothing new under the sun.... truly was one of the many wise sayings of Solomon.
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Colleen on August 12, 2019, 08:13:47 AM

Close vote, closer than I would have thought. I think every Christian's vote should be yes. I for one am sick of the hypocrisy.

Ditto for me sojourner. I believe the reason is the same as it was in the Israelite congregation. The people there thought their cause was righteous also and so they couldn't recognize that their sins were just as bad (or worse) than the Gentiles. Republicans always figure that their sins are less than the Democrats when just as someone said, they are all in the same boat. The acceptance and even encouragement of lies, their lawlessness, their hypocrisy, their deceit, and so on, place them right there with the father of lies. Not someone who is separated from him. I believe this is what God calls the strong delusion of Christians to believe a lie and reject the truth. This is the false peace Joe Johnson spoke about, but not in the way he thinks. The problem with a false peace is that those who think they are at peace, are really at war. Yes, Republicans today hurt the cause of Christianity equal to, or greater than, the Democrats. And they will never believe it because they are deceived in their self-righteousness. It's so sad how these Christians continue to support a man who is so clearly a moral degenerate and against everything God stands for. From adultery to lies, to lawlessness, deceit, and everything in between that God stands against. No one can keep their integrity justifying and denying the lawlessness and ungodliness of such a man.

So I guess you can tell, my vote is yes. Republican once stood for wholesome, now it stands for racism, circumventing the law and worshipping a man. As the quote from the bible, "my how the mighty have fallen."

II Samuel 1:19
"The beauty of Israel is slain upon thy high places: how are the mighty fallen!"

Did they learn their lesson? No. There is nothing new under the sun.

Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Colleen on August 12, 2019, 08:16:00 AM

Close vote, closer than I would have thought. I think every Christian's vote should be yes. I for one am sick of the hypocrisy.

Yes, very close.  With the maybe's counted as no, it's a tie 14 to 14. And that's what's so sad about it.
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Dan on August 12, 2019, 09:38:34 AM
 )baghead(  The Silent Majority.  ;D
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: George on August 12, 2019, 03:25:48 PM
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)baghead(  The Silent Majority.  ;D

Oooh, I got that  )laugh(

  This poll is silly. Of course Republicans don't hurt the cause of Christianity. They are the only ones fighting for it.
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Rich Aikers on August 13, 2019, 02:25:44 AM

Close vote, closer than I would have thought. I think every Christian's vote should be yes. I for one am sick of the hypocrisy.

Ditto for me sojourner. I believe the reason is the same as it was in the Israelite congregation. The people there thought their cause was righteous also and so they couldn't recognize that their sins were just as bad (or worse) than the Gentiles. Republicans always figure that their sins are less than the Democrats when just as someone said, they are all in the same boat.

So true Colleen. And to back up what you are saying, here's a post I read from an atheist. It hurts so bad when you see professing Christians making a fool of themselves in blindly following and supporting this disgraceful man and justifying all the obviously unchristian things Donald Trump does. Truly it is the bane on the church's existence.



Former GOP Adviser: Pro-Trump Evangelicals Hurt Christianity More Than Atheists
BY HEMANT MEHTA

JULY 21, 2019
A Republican who served under Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush says the white evangelicals who support Donald Trump do far more damage to Christianity than atheists ever could.

He’s right. (Also, I’m insulted.)

Peter Wehner made a similar statement in a New York Times essay in 2017, but his comments to CNN’s Michael Smerconish yesterday were even more blunt.

… I think it’s been tremendously discrediting to the Christian faith. And I think it’s shown to a watching world a tremendous amount of hypocrisy. After all, this “character counts” and “personal integrity” and “political leadership” was central to what a lot of… evangelicals argued when Bill Clinton was president. And now that it’s Donald Trump, they’ve decided to push that aside, which means that morality for them was a means to an end, not an end. It was something to be used as a political weapon.

… I think a lot of these white evangelical leaders are doing more to hurt Christianity than the so-called New Atheists ever could.

There’s a lot of truth to that last statement. No arguments against the logical incoherence of Christian beliefs are as powerful as seeing the hypocrisy with your own eyes. When you see refugees in cages, an administration mired in scandals, a president who paid his mistresses hush money, and Republican leadership that is so quick to brag about their Christian faith but silent every time Trump is racist or sexist or otherwise cruel, it’s easy to think that evangelical Christianity is devoid of morality.

I certainly appreciate any conservative will to admit the obvious — and to do it publicly.

But there’s an assumption in Wehner’s words that all of this is happening now. As if evangelical Christians weren’t hypocrites until Trump came along. That’s baloney. Wehner worked for presidents who did plenty to discredit both the Republican party and conservative Christianity.

If anything, the biggest concern for conservatives when it comes to Trump is that he says out loud what they believe privately.

The GOP will gerrymander and prevent black people from voting, but only Trump pursued a commission to etch that into policy under the guise of stopping (virtually non-existent) voter fraud. The GOP has long tried to make life worse for LGBTQ people, but Trump’s the one who banned transgender people from the military with a tweet based on nothing more than a whim. Republicans have always wanted to dismantle public education, but Trump is the one who put someone in charge of the Department of Education who openly waged a war against it in her home state. And none of that gets into how Republicans are actively destroying the scientific infrastructure of our government, waging a war on women’s health, and successfully pushing conservative lawyers onto federal courts.

The point is: Conservative Christianity wasn’t any better under, say, George W. Bush. The Republican Party has always endorsed bigots, pursued racist policies, and advocated for evidence-free policies. Perhaps it’s hit a fever pitch now, but it isn’t new. (Does Sarah Palin ring a bell? What about the near-success of alleged child molester Roy Moore?)

Trump is just the latest incarnation of what the GOP has been for a long time. The party didn’t “leave” people like Wehner. The problem is that people like Wehner never pushed back against a party that was so clearly headed in this direction when they had the opportunities to do so. They remained silent when critics pointed out what was happening. And very few openly endorsed the Democrats who had the ability to stop the derailing train.

Wehner deserves credit for calling out the Christian hypocrisy evident in this political era. But if this interview occurred decades ago, it would’ve sounded the same except for the names.
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Trevor on August 13, 2019, 09:18:36 AM
Former GOP Adviser: Pro-Trump Evangelicals Hurt Christianity More Than Atheists
BY HEMANT MEHTA

JULY 21, 2019
A Republican who served under Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush says the white evangelicals who support Donald Trump do far more damage to Christianity than atheists ever could.

He’s right.

Unfortunately, the way things are going this year, I would have to reluctantly agree. I don't know what's in the water, but it seems like wormwood. And it's spreading.
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Alex Rowland on August 13, 2019, 10:32:04 AM
Former GOP Adviser: Pro-Trump Evangelicals Hurt Christianity More Than Atheists
BY HEMANT MEHTA

JULY 21, 2019
A Republican who served under Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush says the white evangelicals who support Donald Trump do far more damage to Christianity than atheists ever could.

The evangelicals like Jerry Falwell Jr. and that type, yes. But that's not all Christians. Or even a majority of them. Republicans don't hurt the cause of Christianity, these dispensational evangelicals and Televangelists do.
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Wayne on August 14, 2019, 01:47:34 AM
Look at it this way,

Are Republican Christians OK with a lawbreaking, racist, foolish, immoral, deceitful President who is a despot and Chronic liar?

We all know that the answer to that is yes.

Case Closed, hypocrisy proven, and Christian regeneration in my view is suspect.
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Reformer on August 14, 2019, 12:35:09 PM
From what I witness, read, hear and see, it could be argued that the modern day Republican Pro-Trump, professing believers, are hurting Christianity more than the Democratic Christians or even the adversarial unbelievers of the world. What do you think?

Your honest thoughts on this?

Ok, you asked for it.

1. Are they hurting the cause of Christianity?

 Yes. And anyone who calls themselves the church and argues against that is poor, blind and naked and needs to examine themselves to see if they are in the faith. Make their calling and election sure.

Re 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:


2. Are they hurting it more than Democrats?

I wholeheartedly agree with Sue Landow. They both hurt the cause of Christianity equally because neither serves the cause of Christ, and he that is not with him is against him. Christ doesn't favor any particular political party. He is for right over wrong, regardless of what man-made group that it comes from. Remember what Christ told the chief priests and the elders of his congregation? He said to them, truly the publicans and the whores go into the kingdom of God before them. Yes, before the members of God's own congregation. Let that be a lesson to the self-righteous Republican Christians who joy in casting stones.

3. Do they hurt it more than unbelievers?

Unbelievers don't hurt the cause of Christianity, Christians do. Or should I say, professing Christians do. Unbelievers are already at war with us and already unchurched, adversaries, enemies and cannot do any more than what they are already doing, and have been doing since the beginning. The church should wise up. It is professing Christians that has always harmed the cause of the church and of Christ. And always will. Search the scriptures for evidence. There are hundreds of examples. The rebellion against honor, order, laws and integrity always starts in the congregation of God. Even before the flood the believers rebelled and mixed with the unbelievers and caused the world to be destroyed in the flood. The Bible shows us that God uses the unsaved to bring judgment on his people. Not to harm his cause, which is to save his people. His people will be saved. In the process, many of the church will fall. Who were Christ's adversaries when he preached the gospel? Was it the Roman government or was it the professing believers of his own congregation who wouldn't receive the truth he gave testimony to? You would think Christians would have learned something by now.

Matthew 10:35-36
"For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household."

Our real foes are those who call themselves Christian, but who in the tribalism of politics have no sense of what a Christian really is.

Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Laura Tomlinson on August 14, 2019, 02:18:04 PM
 &TY  )preach_(  )GoodPopst(

Thank you Reformer,
  It's because of posts like this that I return to this forum to be intellectually refreshed. Cerebral Christians who study the bible and obviously know what it means to be a true servant of Christ, rather than just give lip service to being one.

Can't help but be so tired of the same old self-righteous Pharisaical book hawking and conspiratorial political rhetoric from alleged Christians. Speak in the spirit of the truth of Christ or don't speak at all. Lest you heap coals of fire on your head.

Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Erik Diamond on August 14, 2019, 03:23:43 PM
Quote from: Reformer
Unbelievers don't hurt the cause of Christianity, Christians do. Or should I say, [size=0px]professing [/size]Christians do. Unbelievers are already at war with us and already unchurched, adversaries, enemies and cannot do any more than what they are already doing, and have been doing since the beginning. The church should wise up. It is professing Christians that has always harmed the cause of the church and of Christ.

Exactly!

Jesus Christ was hated and killed by HIS OWN PEOPLE, the Jews.

Dan 9:26
(26)  And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Likewise, the body of true Christians (Two Witnesses) will be hated and killed by the beast, the body of the corporate believers with spirit of antichrist. 

Rev 13:11-15
(11)  And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
(12)  And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
(13)  And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
(14)  And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
(15)  And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Rev 11:7-8
(7)  And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
(8 )And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

It is the professed Christians that wages spiritual war and can overcome against the true believers where their testimony will be silenced (killed).  I believe this is happening right now, or should I say, the congregations are under judgment.  Christ's coming is very soon. 
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Philly Dawg on August 14, 2019, 04:16:53 PM
2. Are they hurting it more than Democrats?

I wholeheartedly agree with Sue Landow. They both hurt the cause of Christianity equally because neither serves the cause of Christ, and he that is not with him is against him. Christ doesn't favor any particular political party. He is for right over wrong, regardless of what man-made group that it comes from. Remember what Christ told the chief priests and the elders of his congregation? He said to them, truly the publicans and the whores go into the kingdom of God before them. Yes, before the members of God's own congregation. Let that be a lesson to the self-righteous Republican Christians who joy in casting stones.

 )amen(  And ditto to Laura and Erik too. Very Inspiring to see Christians who get it. And this applies especially to the one issue Christians, who sware they are going to heaven because of the help with the good works of the Republican party. As if those works were good and the ends will justify the means before God.  )Say_what(

Matt. 7:22 & 23
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

Don't bring the world into the church in order to do God's work, it doesn't work like that. The church in friendship with the world and supporting great works of iniquity for the cause of Christ is just like doing works of iniquity and imagining that some good might come from it.

I don't support abortionists, conspirators or evolutionists, and neither do I support liars, frauds, and racists. As a follower of Christ, I believe they are equally despicable.

But like the Publicans and harlots Reformer mentioned that God considers better than his church, or the woman casting in two mites when the self-righteous church cast in much, God tries the heart. Man's works are evil. By God's definition, what the self-righteous cast in the pot was worthless. Because they never understood what a true Christian was.

Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Erik Diamond on August 14, 2019, 04:41:05 PM
Quote from: Dan
The Silent Majority.


So were the majority of the Jews back in the days of Christ, Dan. Your point is?


Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Dan on August 15, 2019, 05:02:25 AM
Yes. And anyone who calls themselves the church and argues against that is poor, blind and naked and needs to examine themselves to see if they are in the faith. Make their calling and election sure.

So you are basically saying that Me, George, Puritan Heart, Aqautic, Fred, David knoles, Red, Joe Johnson, Drew and the President are all unsaved?
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Reformer on August 15, 2019, 08:08:32 AM
Go back and actually read my post.
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Dan on August 15, 2019, 05:35:24 PM
Quote from: Dan
The Silent Majority.

So were the majority of the Jews back in the days of Christ, Dan. Your point is?

My point is, the majority of Christians love Trump.  What's your point? Liberals don't count with Christians because you hate Republicans. The majority of Christians speak softly but carry a big stick. America, Love it or leave it.


Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Erik Diamond on August 16, 2019, 01:19:01 AM
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My point is, the majority of Christians love Trump.  What's your point?

My point is the majority of Jews of the Old Testament congregation love or follow their leaders with the doctrines of the Pharisees, Sadducees, and sympatherizers of the Roman rule. Likewise, today, the majority of the New Testament congregation, the PROFESSED and CORPORATE CHRISTIANS, love their false prophets and christs and leaders of American government who pretend to come in Christ's name.  They are NOT part of True Body of Christ. 

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Liberals don't count with Christians because you hate Republicans.


Do you realize that I am Republican since 18 years old when I started to vote?  It is you who tend to go around and falsely label "Republicans" as liberals who do not agree or support your warped belief.

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The majority of Christians speak softly but carry a big stick. America, Love it or leave it.

I come with the testimony of Christ, as Him as my King and Savior.  While I am a natural born and law-abiding citizen of United States of America with all the rights granted by the Constitution, my alligence belongs to Christ and His Kingdom, no matter what will happen to America.  And even if I do not live in America, with the Grace of God, I will present my body as a living and holy sacrifice for God and His Kingdom.  Period!  America, along with her many, many apostate churches do NOT Christ's kingdom and her days are indeed numbered!  Based on all of garbages that comes out of your mouth here... who do you REALLY serve? America or God's Kingdom. That is the real question!     

 
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Philly Dawg on August 16, 2019, 02:30:45 AM
He'll never get it Erik,
   I would estimate that 90% of the people here are Republicans,  or at least were Republicans before Donald Trump took office. But these people don't recognize the difference between following a man and following the word of God. Between political party devotion and church devotion. Or between right and wrong. It's all foreign to them.


Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: James Heckman on August 16, 2019, 11:46:28 AM

Still a Card-Carrying Republican. Not a Trump Supporter. He's become too unhinged for me.
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Clifford Grodin on August 16, 2019, 06:03:15 PM
 )iagree(  Samne Here
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Dan on August 18, 2019, 08:14:30 AM
Do you realize that I am Republican since 18 years old when I started to vote?

If you were a Republican, you would support the President regardless of what the liberals say about him. You would know that as a Christian he is doing what is best for us, for Israel, for the working class and for America. You would know that the deep state and world order is out to destroy the white man in America and all he stands for. You would know that the amillennial liberal spiritualizers are out to destroy the church. You sir are not a Republican.


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It is you who tend to go around and falsely label "Republicans" as liberals who do not agree or support your warped belief.


My belief is the conservative Republican beliefs. Yours is liberal spiritualizers. You liberals think you can replace Israel, but thanks to our President, your mission will fail.


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The majority of Christians speak softly but carry a big stick. America, Love it or leave it.
I come with the testimony of Christ, as Him as my King and Savior.  While I am a natural born and law-abiding citizen of United States of America with all the rights granted by the Constitution, my alligence belongs to Christ and His Kingdom,

Your allegiance is to the liberal church and the destruction of the state of Israel by your replacement theology. Yours is to denigrate the only President who has given Jerusalem back to Israel and to stand against the most popular church in all of America. 


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Based on all of garbages that comes out of your mouth here... who do you REALLY serve? America or God's Kingdom. That is the real question!     

America is one nation under God. Your liberal doctrine is to replace God's people with your liberal church. Who are you to judge?
Title: Re: Do Republicans Now Hurt the Cause of Christianity equal to the Democrats?
Post by: Erik Diamond on August 18, 2019, 03:04:24 PM
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If you were a Republican, you would support the President regardless of what the liberals say about him. You would know that as a Christian he is doing what is best for us, for Israel, for the working class and for America. You would know that the deep state and world order is out to destroy the white man in America and all he stands for. You would know that the amillennial liberal spiritualizers are out to destroy the church. You sir are not a Republican.

My belief is the conservative Republican beliefs. Yours is liberal spiritualizers. You liberals think you can replace Israel, but thanks to our President, your mission will fail.

Your allegiance is to the liberal church and the destruction of the state of Israel by your replacement theology. Yours is to denigrate the only President who has given Jerusalem back to Israel and to stand against the most popular church in all of America. 

America is one nation under God. Your liberal doctrine is to replace God's people with your liberal church. Who are you to judge?

Liberal
Spiritualizers
National Israel
President
Liberal Church
Destruction of National Israel
Replacement Theology
"American is one nation under God" (ie. as if its a kingdom of God)
And finally..."who are you to judge?"

See, you are getting into business of making false accusations.  All I can say is that you misrepresented what I said in my previous post because you have a wraped and delusional mind!  Your testimony is a good example of someone who is under influence of the spirit of antichrist. I will be praying for you.