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Title: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Melanie on April 16, 2018, 06:06:00 AM
I was thinking this morning about the steady decline of children of Christian parents growing up to be Christians themselves, and thought I would add a poll to this question. Are Parents to blame for Christianity's Decline?

From my perspective I would say yes, but I am interested what you all think about this question because (generally speaking) I respect the opinions of most of you on biblical matters.  What do you think? Is it TV, Parents, liberals, politics or maybe even social networking?
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Stan Pat on April 16, 2018, 08:27:31 AM
Is it TV, Parents, liberals, politics or maybe even social networking?

All of the above.
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: William B on April 16, 2018, 04:44:24 PM
I'd say it's more the church becoming more liberal and allowing more political and social doctrines to change and dilute the truth so that the gospel Christianity is no longer respected. Even unsaved people can see hypocrisy.

Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Herman Stowe on April 16, 2018, 09:53:46 PM
I was thinking this morning about the steady decline of children of Christian parents growing up to be Christians themselves

Melanie,
   I think that you are correct. And the proof is that God said it long ago when he gave the perfect advice that is proven to be true today. If you don't train up your children in the way of the Lord, they won't grow up following those paths. If you do, they will retain that training in some form or another. That's not secular philosophy, that's God's very own word.

Proverbs 22:6
"Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it."

This is not our own philosophy, this is what God himself says on the matter. If we as parents instruct our children in a Godly way they must go, they will grow up that way. Most Christians today will deny this because they don't want to take responsibility for their children growing up and abandoning Christianity. I hear Christians today saying that you can train up your children perfectly and they will still go away from Christianity. Well, are they not saying that God is lying when they claim that? Are they not saying what God said in Proverbs isn't true? Of course I know that not every child will, but that doesn't change the principle God laid down here does it? This principle is forsaken today.

I would say of course parents are the most responsible for the steady decline of children of Christian parents growing up to be non Christians. It's obvious to me. Anyone who says otherwise is in denial. Beside from the biblical evidence from scripture itself, I witness parenting first hand and I see with my own eyes the lack of discipline and training in the way they should go.
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Betty on April 17, 2018, 03:36:56 AM
Christian children are rebelling because of the Christian right movement that makes it seem like God is always angry. God is a God of love, and compassion. And this is what is missing in the church. You can't suffocate kids by not allowing them to do what all the other kids do. Nor can you always give them hell fire and damnation trying to scare them, because the children today are too smart for that. If you are strict on your children, you will drive them away from the church, not closer to it. And that's what has happened.
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Doug Johnson on April 17, 2018, 05:17:47 AM
Parents aren't responsible for a vibrant and healthy church, the One True Holy Church is.
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Dan on April 17, 2018, 06:52:24 AM
I somewhat agree with Betty. I really don't think that there is any evidence that parents are to blame for Christianity's decline. But I would also disagree with Betty because I think that it is more because of liberals and democrats who are continually pushing the envelope of immorality and spiritualizing the literal understanding of scripture. How are parents going to compete against the onslaught of liberalism? What we have to do is take back America from the liberal establishments. Put our children in Christian schools. Forbid them to associate with Democrats. Only then can we bring back Christian values to our children.
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Simon on April 17, 2018, 09:44:30 AM
Betty thinks it's because of the Christian right movement and Dan thinks it's because of the liberal Democrats. No wonder the church is in disarray when Christians don't even know the difference between church from state.  ::)
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Laura Tomlinson on April 18, 2018, 02:08:31 AM
If you are strict on your children, you will drive them away from the church, not closer to it. And that's what has happened.

Betty Come on. Did you read that in a fortune cookie, hear it on the View, or saw it while watching 60 minutes? Because it sure isn't from the bible. Since when is God's strictness been a obstacle to salvation? The obstacle is libertarian Christian parents who believe in all sorts of liberties that are against God's word.
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Tony Warren on April 18, 2018, 05:24:54 AM
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Christian children are rebelling because of the Christian right movement that makes it seem like God is always angry.
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The Christian right doesn't make it seem like God is always angry, unbelievers take that tact because they want to justify their beliefs that either there is no God, God is hypocritical, or that His judgments are a contradiction to love. They perpetrate this ruse because the unsaved world is deceitful, lacks humility, is egocentric, has no fear of God, hates His laws with a passion, and are offended by His insistences and mandates at every turn. Saying God is always angry is their way of flattering themselves that they are good, notwithstanding all their iniquities. The unpalatable truth is, the unsaved live in their own little world of self-flattery. In other words, their high opinion of themselves keeps them ignorant of both their true character and God's true character. Why then should they fear God?

Psalms 36:1-3

Because "IF" the word of God is true, and there is recompense and holy justice, then the unbeliever is found to be unrighteous, unclean, unwise and foolish in what he believes. Therefore, in their minds (and worldly definitions) an angry God is a unjust and non-loving God. This rationale has nothing to do with the children of Christian parents forsaking the way, the truth and the life. Nor the Christian right or left. It has to do with a desperately wicked heart so that no one can know it.


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God is a God of love, and compassion. 
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Yes, God is a God of love and Compassion. God is also a God of judgment and condemnation, and God is a God of distinction, separation and division. His people are to be a peculiar or particular breed, a chosen generation/family that is set apart from and unlike the rest of the world.

2nd Corinthians 6:17

We can't just say God is a God of love "AS IF" that negates or contradicts everything else that God is. Yes, God is a God of compassion, but God is also a God of reckoning, repayment, justice, vengeance and retribution. None of which contradicts Him being a God of love, mercy and compassion. Only in the vain imaginative minds of the rest of the world.


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And this is what is missing in the church.
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No, what is missing in the church is the spirit of obedience, the spirit of separation from the world, and of surrender to Godly instruction. Christ's true LORDSHIP over them is what is missing. You speak of love, but love is not found allowing our Christian children conform to the world under the guise of we'll drive them away if we don't give them worldly liberty. That's not love. True Christian love is to teach our children not to be, live and do as the world does. That is decidedly not being too strict, nor is it burdensome. God's love is in our instructing them in the wisdom of being separate and set apart from the world. It's the exact opposite of what you are implying.

Psalms 32:8-9

As Melanie said, when God says to parents (Proverbs 22:6) to train their children in the way they should go and they will not depart from it when they are old, that is His answer to sublunary philosophies, social engineering and worldly denials that it will work. Of course it won't work when professing Christians, brainwashed by the sound of their own humanistic voices, have already made their minds up that it won't work. The only question is, do we really trust God's word over these denials of men?


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You can't suffocate kids by not allowing them to do what all the other kids do.
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On the contrary, to not allow them to do what the other kids who are not Christian do is precisely what God wants. That's why God told the children of Israel "not" to mingle with the people of the lands around them lest they cause them to stumble and serve their gods. As saith the preacher, there is nothing new under the sun.

James 4:4-5
What you are talking about God equates to spiritual adultery, the idolatry of going after other rulers, masters or lords. Serving other gods. Far from feeding a spirit in our Christian children to envy the kids of the world, parents should educate them about true love, compassion and condolement for the kids of the world. For it is they who are at risk and indeed in dire need of our sympathy rather than our envy. Far from suffocating them by not allowing our children to be friends with the world, parents are giving them the breath of life in re-acquainting them with the God authored partition and disunion between us and the world, of light with darkness, of how the world is not their friend at all, it is their foe. You say Christian kids should be allowed to do what other kids (implied unsaved) do, but that is why there is a contrast between us. Parents should teach them of that contrast, that they are a separate, a holy people, a special people, a chosen people set apart from the others of the world. In fact, I believe that this lack of telling them this Spiritual reality is "really" what is detrimental to young Christian discipleship. The snare that opens up their minds to lust to envy and causes them to be seduced.


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 Nor can you always give them hell fire and damnation trying to scare them, because the children today are too smart for that.
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Hell fire and damnation is a fact of God's word, not a mythical Bogeyman. Bearing witness to Gods retribution against sinners is not trying to scare them, it's trying to warn them. If God's faithful witnesses don't give warning of God's coming vengeance, who will? It's all well and good to tell someone they are saved, but the question remains, saved from what? Is it not hell fire and damnation? Is not the wages of sin death? Did not God say there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth? Why would any servant of the Lord neglect these truths? Scare them? Maybe they should be scared. Scared of living like the world.

Ezekiel 33:7-9

In effect you are saying, give no warning that the wages of their sin is Hell and Death, let the children die in their sins without warning? You say the children of today is too smart for that?

1st Corinthians 3:18-21

I tell you, if the children of today are too smart for that, then they are too smart for their own good. I can say without fear of contradiction that a parent witnessing and warning his children of the vengeance of God against the world, will drive NO ONE from the church but the son/child of perdition. For of those given, Christ will lose "none" except that son.


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 If you are strict on your children, you will drive them away from the church, not closer to it.
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If you are not strict, authoritarian, stern, punctilious, tough and disciplinary with your children, that will drive them away from the church. Yes, I understand that in the post modern church this goes against the social mores or norms but it is in accord with the word of God. The word strict meaning to unabashedly, unrestrictedly telling your child to do as the Lord actually says, and not what they want. i.e., telling them not to remove themselves from having Him be Lord over them?

Luke 6:46

Why indeed! Parents should value teaching strict obedience to God's word, instead many compromise with the world and effectively regard His law as a hindrance to faith. That "is" strong delusion. Why would anyone think they have a Lord/Master/Ruler if they think His will too strict, so that they have to refuse to have their children be subject to it?  The truth is, most Christian parents today wouldn't know strict if jumped up and bit them. It simply means God's restrictive laws, the faithful teaching of our children what they should and shouldn't do. The witness that they should do certain things that unbelievers do. Strict is a good thing, not something to whine about or believe it's not God authored. And since "strict" is on the verge of extinction in our day, it most definitely isn't the reason children today are driven from the church. They are driven from the church by a spirit in them, a spirit of disobedience. This idea of "too strict" is just another convenient excuse for parents not to train up their children in the way they should go.

Proverbs 23:12-14

What is the modern retort to Gods word?   "...wrong God, this will only serve to drive these children away from you?" or "...why are you mentioning Hell, kids today are too smart for that?" or "...that type of punishment only makes children violent, it doesn't work, it's been proven scientifically?" That's the way of the world. But as for me and my house, we will surrender to the authority of the creator over the creation.


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 And that's what has happened.
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That's decidedly not what has happened today. In fact I would say it's just the opposite. Christian parents today are generally not strict at all with their children, and that lack of law, reverent instruction, separation, structure and discipline, I believe is at the root of the decline of our youth in maintaining discipleship. This idea that without the strict instruction and teaching of the law, there will be faithful children, is bankrupt or destitute of any real merit. That's why we have such permissiveness in the world today, because the laws against it have been abrogated. Divorce, Gambling, Homosexuality, Abortions, Etc.,  have all grown exponentially once the "strict" laws against it were loosened. How much more the rebellion of children once the laws in the church regarding the rearing of our children became lax. Children "need" a strict upbringing according to God's law. Train up a child in the way she should go, and when he is old he will retain that training. God willing, he then passes it on to his children and so on and so forth. But parents are not listening to God anymore, not about children, divorce, homosexuality or divorce. It's deemed the unjust instruction of a angry Old Testament God. ..as if God wasn't immutable.

Proverbs 13:24
Proverbs 19:18
Proverbs 22:15
Proverbs 29:15

What type of God is this? ...it's a God of Love and Compassion for Children!

"nosce te ipsum"
 
Peace,
Tony Warren
"I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the Lord; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah. -Psalms 32:5"
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Kevin Wright on April 18, 2018, 07:04:42 AM
 ]ThUmBsUp[  )cLaPpInGg(  As usual, excellent retort Tony.  )God-Bless-You(
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: George on April 18, 2018, 08:01:34 AM
Tony, you are so long winded. A whole lotta talk and very little substance. You haven't proved that parents are neglecting their responsibility, at best you've only showed that they are not as strict as they once were. That doesn't equate to shirking their responsibility of rearing Godly children. Pastor's children are some of the worst, so are you telling me they didn't rear their children correctly?
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Bruce on April 18, 2018, 11:38:43 AM
Judging by the very liberal views of Pastors today, Yes I would say that. Speaking for only myself, I would say yes. If their doctrines are wrong, their teachings, and therefore their training of others is wrong.
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: aquatic on April 18, 2018, 01:26:32 PM
Pastor's children are some of the worst, so are you telling me they didn't rear their children correctly?
Yes. You seem to believe that pastors can do no wrong.
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: George on April 19, 2018, 04:30:28 AM
Pastor's children are some of the worst, so are you telling me they didn't rear their children correctly?
Yes. You seem to believe that pastors can do no wrong.

No, but they train their children right, and their children still come out bad. What does that say to you?
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: George on April 19, 2018, 04:54:57 AM
Judging by the very liberal views of Pastors today, Yes I would say that. Speaking for only myself, I would say yes.

Dispensational Pastors are not liberal, we are the right wing of Christianity. Catholics, Postmillennial and Amillennialists are liberal.
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Reformer on April 19, 2018, 05:14:36 AM
Tony, you are so long winded.

Some may think you are too long winded, even in your short posts. Because value is not in the length of the post, but the quality of the post.

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A whole lotta talk and very little substance.

Please tell me you are talking about your own posts? Then I would have hope that you are starting to evaluate correctly.

Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Reformer on April 19, 2018, 05:17:47 AM
Dispensational Pastors are not liberal, we are the right wing of Christianity.

Which just goes to prove that conservative and liberal politics have nothing to do with Christianity, because if Dispensationals are conservative, then obviously conservatism is no measure of sound Christianity. At least to most of us here. You call me liberal simply because I believe that lying, licentiousness, deception, race-baiting, dishonesty, immorality and a lack of integrity is unchristian. So if that's liberal, perhaps I should wear the title with pride. I don't separate Christians into liberal and conservative, I separate them into sheep and goats, sound and unsound, messengers of light and messengers of darkness, true and false Christians according to God's words. In today's way of thinking, the Scribes and Pharisees were very conservative while Jesus Christ would have been thought of as very liberal. That is to say, by people like yourself who put a lot of stock in labeling. These titles mean nothing to me.  Like Baptist, Presbyterian and Puritan.

As far as I'm concerned, and from reading my bible, One can see hypocrisy in Pastors more than anyone else. Because they above all are supposed to be an example. Christ said so. So I can understand why children not moved by the holy spirit would be driven astray hearing the Pastor say one thing and watching them do another. To use an analogy you might understand, it's like watching the President say he's a great leader, and then watching him prove that he is not. That will make any logical thinker lose faith in him. It's the same with Pastors. The do as I say, not as I do philosophy.

Why do you think God says Pastors should be people of not quick of temper, of good reputation and great integrity? Maybe because these things are important in a leader? Ya Think?
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Curtis on April 19, 2018, 06:15:42 AM
 &TY
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Nina on April 19, 2018, 11:31:13 AM
 )ditto(  :iagree:
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Chloe on April 19, 2018, 06:42:14 PM
Reformer, are you suggesting that parenting methods are the key?
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Kenneth White on April 19, 2018, 07:02:45 PM
Melanie, I voted yes also, but I thought I would just cut and paste what I said on a related issue in 2014. There is a lack of training by Christian parents who have gone the way of modern child rearing abandoning Christian principles. I absolutely blame parents.

The Disrespect of Children to their Parents Today  (http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=2919.0)

http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=2919.msg32321#msg32321

"Parents are responsible for the growth in this country of disrespectful children. It starts in the home and that is where you either nip it in the bud or allow it to prosper. Children are for the most part a reflection of their up-bringing. And this is the worst crop of parents since the dawn of time. They won't correct, and they won't allow anyone else to correct. Children today know that there are no significant consequences for what they do. A time out is not correction, neither is a couple of hours sitting in the bedroom."
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Trevor on April 20, 2018, 04:45:36 AM
 )amen( Sound Christian parenting based on the bible is not only fundamental, it's foundational. We can readily see that modern parenting isnít simply a Christian problem, it's a world wide problem. But Christian parents are mimicking the world and so they have the same problems with their kids. To faithful Christians it's not a question of if parents are responsible, it's a question of is it too late to change and correct the error. If we want our kids to grow up Christian, resist following the morality (or immorality) of the world, we have to remove the temptations. Remove the temptation, don't just think your kids are smart enough to overcome it.

Matthew 18:9
"And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire."

As Tony said, we are to separate them from the world, not allow them to live as close to the world as they can get. We need to keep God's word and follow his guidelines on how to discipline them rightly. That's his instruction to us. We are a separate, holy people, not the same people.
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Rose on April 20, 2018, 09:36:13 AM
Any articles or books to help me with this issue?
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Drew on April 20, 2018, 11:35:29 AM
Tony, there is a difference between training versus discipline.
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Bunyan on April 20, 2018, 05:18:10 PM
Any articles or books to help me with this issue?

"Shepherding a Child's Heart" by Tedd Tripp

"Raising Children Godís Way" by D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Tony Warren on April 21, 2018, 03:14:22 AM
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Tony, there is a difference between training versus discipline.
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Sometimes. Other times disciplining "is" training. I think that the biblical narrative fully supports that. Training is simply teaching or instruction. Disciplining our sons or daughters is training them on what is right and wrong. Just as God does. Often times God trains us by disciplining us, and we call that chastisement.

Hebrews 12:6-10

Would we all sometimes chastise our sons and daughters as Fathers who love them in the true sense of the word. Would we all would have trained them with discipline, cultivating them, controlling them, correcting, showing parental government, structure and regimen. Then this question would be unnecessary.

"nosce te ipsum"
 
Peace,
Tony Warren
"I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the Lord; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah. -Psalms 32:5"
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Robert Powell on April 21, 2018, 06:01:19 AM
 :iagree: No matter how parents and guardians are in denial continuing to reject their responsibility, they really are to blame. When I see that there is no fear of God in children today, and no real knowledge of God, I know the blame falls right on their upbringing, and that means parents. As for preachers kids, they are often the ones who know the least about the bible. So don't tell me preachers children know more, they know more that is wrong, which doesn't mean they are taught right.

The Bible says that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, but most Christian parents and pastors have instilled no real fear of God in their children. Children of Christian parents have no old school reverence for God and thus they have no real reverential fear or love of god. The parents have fallen into the trap of following modern secular child rearing practices on how to train their kids. Looking at it objectively, and I am, I think the reason is because they lack courage and think their kids won't love them if they place too many restrictions upon them. As a result, children learn they are really the boss and by the time the parent realizes it it's too late. They lack Godly training and discipline. In effect, they are just like secular children.
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Terrell Meyer on April 21, 2018, 08:22:50 AM

Hebrews 12:6-10
  • "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
  • If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
  • But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons."

Would we all sometimes chastise our sons and daughters as Fathers who love them in the true sense of the word.

 )Bible-Red(  )amen(  You have such good insights into the word.
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Reformer on April 21, 2018, 10:00:16 AM
Reformer, are you suggesting that parenting methods are the key?

No, I would never suggest that. I'm suggesting that Christ's word is the key, and we should not hesitate to have faith in it. I'm suggesting that too many Christians don't really believe God when he makes that statement in Proverbs 22:6 and that is why they defer to modern worldly or social methodologies. I'm suggesting that we should put our confidence in Christ, and not in secular parenting methods. Faith is belief, and I believe Christ when he says to train up a child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it. That's faith, so all I'm suggesting is that Christians should be parents of faithfulness rather than faithlessness.
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Rose on April 22, 2018, 10:16:32 AM

Anything free or readable online?
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Diane Moody on April 22, 2018, 12:42:05 PM
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Tony, there is a difference between training versus discipline.
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Sometimes. Other times disciplining is training.


Mama Thank You For Disciplining Me (https://www.raisingrealmen.com/2018/01/mama-thank-you-for-disciplining-me/)

That's the message I gave to my Momma as well. Sad there's very little chance of this tradition continuing.


Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Theo on April 22, 2018, 06:56:39 PM


Mama Thank You For Disciplining Me (https://www.raisingrealmen.com/2018/01/mama-thank-you-for-disciplining-me/)

That's the message I gave to my Momma as well. Sad there's very little chance of this tradition continuing.

My comment is a little off topic, but don't you just hate Pop-Ups? I was reading this and all of a sudden my screen was blocked by a Pop-Up ad. It seems every Christian site you go to these days has these darn pop-ups and it's so annoying. Makes me want to just leave then and there. Do I need patience? I guess.
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Reformer on April 23, 2018, 03:39:27 AM

Anything free or readable online?

I would start here

http://mountainretreatorg.net/searchit/searchit.cgi?parenting
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: George on April 23, 2018, 09:41:42 AM
Do I need patience?

Yes. Sites aren't free, they need to be paid for. And also, you could use a spirit that doesn't judge. Parents, Dispensationalists, Bart Ehrman, whatever.
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Clifford Grodin on April 23, 2018, 10:52:18 PM
It seems every Christian site you go to these days has these darn pop-ups and it's so annoying.

Not this one.
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Clifford Grodin on April 23, 2018, 10:53:44 PM

Mama Thank You For Disciplining Me (https://www.raisingrealmen.com/2018/01/mama-thank-you-for-disciplining-me/)


In my case it's Dad!

Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Russell Lloyd on April 24, 2018, 06:24:23 AM
And also, you could use a spirit that doesn't judge. Parents, Dispensationalists, Bart Ehrman, whatever.

A spirit that doesn't judge is the reason that the church is failing and parents have backslided, Dispensationalists rule and Bart Ehrman debates in seminaries.

Proverbs 31:9 "Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.'
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Tony Warren on April 25, 2018, 04:09:12 PM
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Mama Thank You For Disciplining Me

That's the message I gave to my Momma as well. Sad there's very little chance of this tradition continuing.
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That does seem to be the path that the world, as well as the church is on. I would only suggest that Christians do not defer to give timely thanks for their Godly discipline. To parents, Guardians and God.


"nosce te ipsum"
 
Peace,
Tony Warren
"I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the Lord; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah. -Psalms 32:5"
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Tony Warren on April 25, 2018, 04:12:24 PM
And also, you could use a spirit that doesn't judge. Parents, Dispensationalists, Bart Ehrman, whatever.

A spirit that doesn't judge is the reason that the church is failing and parents have backslided, Dispensationalists rule and Bart Ehrman debates in seminaries.


...and all God's people said,  A M E N !
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Reformer on April 26, 2018, 04:00:02 PM
My comment is a little off topic, but don't you just hate Pop-Ups?

Yes!


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It seems every Christian site you go to these days has these darn pop-ups and it's so annoying.

Not this one.  ;)
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Betty on May 17, 2018, 11:13:48 AM
I somewhat agree with Betty. I really don't think that there is any evidence that parents are to blame for Christianity's decline.


 &TY  There also is no evidence of the Church's decline. That's a myth conjured up by conservative Christians to justify their attacks on the church.

Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Reformer on May 17, 2018, 03:28:38 PM
There also is no evidence of the Church's decline.

 )S_Confused(  No Evidence?

Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )

Whosoever reads, let him or her understand. I understand that many see the abominations standing in the holy place as liberated women, love and progressive thinking. That's what they see, but that's not what is.


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That's a myth conjured up by conservative Christians to justify their attacks on the church.

The attacks on the church are by liberal Christians changing times and laws, and by conservative Christians rooted in this physical world and its kingdoms. Not by Bible believing Christians who read and understand that abominations that lead to desolation.
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Betty on May 20, 2018, 03:53:04 PM
There also is no evidence of the Church's decline.

 )S_Confused(  No Evidence?

Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )


No, no evidence  )Say_what( That's not evidence, that's a bible passage.


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That's a myth conjured up by conservative Christians to justify their attacks on the church.

The attacks on the church are by liberal Christians changing times and laws, and by conservative Christians rooted in this physical world and its kingdoms. Not by Bible believing Christians who read and understand that abominations that lead to desolation.

That's your opinion, not evidence. Why don't you and Erik actually give evidence instead of your personal views. You're as bad as Paul.
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Erik Diamond on May 20, 2018, 04:42:12 PM
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No, no evidence   That's not evidence, that's a bible passage.

So a bible passage, that we testified, which is directly from God Himself is not considered an evidence to you? No wondering that you cannot receive the Truth. 

2 Thessalonians 2:9-11
[9]  Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[10]  And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11]  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: Betty on June 01, 2018, 12:14:30 AM
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No, no evidence   That's not evidence, that's a bible passage.

So a bible passage, that we testified, which is directly from God Himself is not considered an evidence to you? No wondering that you cannot receive the Truth. 


How is that evidence? Did the Buible speak about the year 2018? If not, then how can you say it's evidence 2018 is the year of the apostasy church?
Title: Re: Are Parents to Blame for Christianity's Decline?
Post by: ZeroCool on June 02, 2018, 03:42:46 PM
How is that evidence? Did the Buible speak about the year 2018? If not, then how can you say it's evidence 2018 is the year of the apostasy church?

Did the bible speak about the year 7 CE? Yes it did, when it spoke and prophesied about the birth of Christ. You don't have to have the number 2018 listed in order for the Bible to speak about the growing apostasy in 2018.