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Title: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on December 13, 2016, 07:58:21 AM
Judging by what we've already seen Trump do, his disdain for diplomacy, the promises he's already broken not even having taken office yet, the appointments he's made, his irrational dismissal of CIA reports as "Ridiculous", his already causing "serious" issues with the nuclear powered China and the conflicts of interest with his financial holdings and appointments and Presidential dealings, his more than cozy relationship with Russia and unqualified backing of Israel and so on and so forth. Seriously, his stupidity and lack of understanding is absolutely astounding! Despite the fact that 2 million plus more American people voted against him than for him, is this country getting exactly what it deserves? Isn't it ironic that the predominantly white, middle class males that voted for him and gave him the victory will be the ones who will suffer the most with the things his policies will bring. More robotics, Businesses free to send jobs overseas to cheaper labor, unemployment, layoffs, inflation, instability around the world and possibly war. I hope you're all happy with what you got for your departure from sanity.  :-*

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Sportsnut on December 13, 2016, 04:40:32 PM
Not sure yet, but he's headed in that scary direction, especially putting all these business executives in his administration. Doesn't bode well for the middle class. The rich get richer I guess.  :(
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: James Heckman on December 14, 2016, 08:29:27 AM
It's too early to even say. We gave Obama 8 years, we can at least wait one year before we start calling him a failure. He hasn't done anything yet.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Rich Aikers on December 16, 2016, 04:14:23 AM

I can tell you this. He's the most unprofessional, obnoxious President we've ever had. I thought his antics would end once he was elected president, but unfortunately, this is who he is to the core. Sadly, it's not an act, it's who he is.  :'(
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: George on December 16, 2016, 08:24:55 AM
I voted for him, and I still think he'll be better than Obama, but he's already getting on my nerves with his appointments and lack of tact. But I believe he'll be a better President than Hillary would. I agree with others, we've got to give him a chance to implement some of the conservative things we voted for him to do. My vote is wait and see. Don't take that as a negative vote.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: James Heckman on December 16, 2016, 03:27:59 PM
Agreed, it's not like the man is irrational, just doing things differently from past Presidents is not a bad thing. Let's see how things turn out.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Maurice on December 18, 2016, 09:06:31 AM
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Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?

I don't know, but he's certainly the weirdest and strangest! Not to mention unpredictable, and not in a good way. Personally, I don't think he's very smart, but then again how many filthy rich people are? They know how to make money on the backs of the common people, but that's about all. Hillary was almost as bad, but not quite as bizarre and eccentric. I think we're in for a rough four years. I also think he's a one term President, since the wildly unpopular Hillary isn't running again. Just my two cents.


Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Herman Stowe on December 19, 2016, 05:46:16 PM

He's the most divisive in US history, I know that. Crass and no class. Hope that part changes, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Fred on December 20, 2016, 09:48:12 PM

He's the most divisive in US history, I know that.

Not really, the liberal media makes him out to be, he just speaks his mind. You're so use to politically correct, you don't know divisive when you hear it.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Larry on December 22, 2016, 10:01:27 AM
He may not be the worst, but he's definitely the most hated. And for good reason most people think. He can't seem to stop attacking those who oppose him. Probably one of the most vain human being alive. And this from a guy who ended up voting for him. I fear I will regret it.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Shirley on December 24, 2016, 01:05:16 PM
Agreed, it's not like the man is irrational, just doing things differently from past Presidents is not a bad thing. Let's see how things turn out.

Actually he is irrational. If he believes Putin and not the FBI and CIA, then he's irrational considering all the facts and history. Those two have two things in common. They both care about nothing but money and their ego. That's the truth no matter who doesn't like it.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on December 26, 2016, 08:18:03 AM
Agreed, it's not like the man is irrational, just doing things differently from past Presidents is not a bad thing. Let's see how things turn out.

Actually he is irrational. If he believes Putin and not the FBI and CIA, then he's irrational considering all the facts and history. Those two have two things in common. They both care about nothing but money and their ego. That's the truth no matter who doesn't like it.

 :iagree:  ]ThUmBsUp[ Republicans in general are irrational. That's why Trump won in the first place (Republican nomination) despite the fact he's a money grubbing, unrigjhteous, braggadocious, vile, self-important, hypocritical, arrogant, vindictive and lecherous old man. No one can contradict anything on that list, it's all proven. As the bible predicts, when you sow the wind you'll reap the whirlwind.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Dan on December 27, 2016, 03:26:07 PM

Trump is the man!
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Beechwood on December 29, 2016, 12:06:18 AM
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Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?

What do you think? Not even in office yet and already he's started a new arms race, is pushing for more nukes (unbelievably), has disparaged the CIA, FBI and any Republican senator that disagrees with him, is threatening an already irritated China with a stick, has appointed two confirmed racists, and has alienated us from the entire world over Israel's policies (which no Republican President has ever done). But wait, it gets worse. Pray for the church.

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: matt205 on December 29, 2016, 10:47:15 AM
This may sound stupid after all this time of his campaigning, but is Donald Trump a Christian? Has he ever professed to be a Christian?
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Doug Johnson on December 29, 2016, 11:05:49 AM
This may sound stupid after all this time of his campaigning, but is Donald Trump a Christian? Has he ever professed to be a Christian?

He's a professing Christian, but not a Catholic. Even though 53 percent of Catholics ended up voting for him because of the abortion issue. So if he's not Catholic, he's not Christian. Neither are those who idolize his worship of money and himself.

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Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Wayne on January 01, 2017, 07:50:50 AM
You can't make that judgment until after he's actually in office a term.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Russell Lloyd on January 02, 2017, 10:47:30 PM
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Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?

What do you think?

Maybe, Let's wait and see!
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Gerry on January 04, 2017, 02:28:04 PM
Maybe, Let's wait and see!


  :iagree:
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Walt Lee on January 06, 2017, 08:49:51 AM
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The only thing I agree with Catholics on.   :)
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Admin on January 06, 2017, 06:24:14 PM
Aquatic, When you're moderator, you can close it.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Charles on January 07, 2017, 07:29:40 AM
I'm having a hard time believing that Trump was God ordained. How do those of you who are Reformed and believe in that doctrine of divine ordination explain this? Did God put Trump i office? Did he put obama there? Was Hitler God ordained? Maybe I'm missing something about this.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Lieberman on January 07, 2017, 09:20:28 AM
All Presidents, Kings or leaders of countries were God ordained.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Reformer on January 07, 2017, 03:06:29 PM
I'm having a hard time believing that Trump was God ordained. How do those of you who are Reformed and believe in that doctrine of divine ordination explain this? Did God put Trump i office? Did he put obama there? Was Hitler God ordained? Maybe I'm missing something about this.

Charles,
  Those who don't believe in predestination miss a lot about God (not saying you do). Mainly that He is actually "Sovereign!" Not just in word, but in actual practice. That means that he is the supreme ruler, having ultimate power, knowledge and control. He can and will do and allow anything he wants, and that includes not allowing Hitler or anyone else to come to power if that would not be in some way related to his purposes. Being "God ordained" does not mean being "God approved." God does not approve of sin or Satanic men, but he allows sin and sinful men to exist to his glory. Ordained means God decreed. In other words (using your analogy), God could have prevented Hitler from coming to power and disallowed his rule, but He didn't So he allowed or decreed that it happen for his own sovereign purposes by not stopping it. Just as he doesn't stop the sin in this world by most people and uses it to his glory. Just to be clear, he didn't make Hitler do evil or make him a genocidal maniac (as some claim), he allowed Hitler to reign and be the monster. As an example, God allowed Pilate to sin by sending him to be crucified, and that means it was God ordained or God decreed.

Joh 19:10
Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee?
11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

God ordained that Pilate come to power for this purpose. It is the same with any sitting President, no matter if they are Democrat or Republican. When it was Clinton, Bush, Obama or Trump, they were all ordained of God to be President. They all would have no power to be in that position, or to do anything, except God ordained it. They all came to that office because of the Sovereign will of God that allowed it. God is wiser than we are, so though we may not like George Bush, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama or Donald Trump, they were and are all God ordained leaders of this country. He set them up and he'll take them all down.

Da 2:20
Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:
21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

The end of all this is that God is omniscient and wiser than we are. I'm sure no real Christian would argue that God "could not have" prevented any of these men from being elected. So by logical reasoning we must conclude that by God sovereignly allowing it, he actually ordained or decreed it. It was his will that Bob Dole not win in 1996, Al Gore not win in 2000, John McCain not win win 2008, Mitt Romney not win in 2012 and Hilary Clinton not win in 2016. We can argue about their politics all we want, and we can think Obama or Trump are incompetent, but it is God who puts up rulers and who takes rulers down.

We can simplify this whole issue and just put it this way.
 "If it was God's will that Gore, Mitt, McCain or Hillary be President, God being all powerful, they certainly would have become President. Because God is Sovereign. Thus it was God ordained that they not be President".

Live with it. As as we say, Thy will be done.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Erik Diamond on January 07, 2017, 03:12:50 PM
 :GoodPopst:
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Reformer on January 07, 2017, 03:18:02 PM
Aquatic, When you're moderator, you can close it.

I agree with this policy and hope it doesn't change. Whether we disagree with other Christians or their politics or not, we should have a place to express our thoughts as long as we don't attack the other posters.

I've had my posts deleted and thrown out of two "Reformed" forums for posting doctrines that the people there didn't agree with. Sound Biblical Doctrines. So I hope this forum doesn't become dictatorial, intolerant and narrow-minded like others where you aren't allowed to say anything different, controversial or disagree with the majority line without being accused of stirring up trouble. I've been down that path and this one is better. Warts and all.

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Tra Millwood on January 07, 2017, 04:55:15 PM
Agree with you on both posts Reformer!
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Rich Aikers on January 07, 2017, 09:30:36 PM

Charles,
  Those who don't believe in predestination miss a lot about God (not saying you do). Mainly that He is actually "Sovereign!" Not just in word, but in actual practice. That means that he is the supreme ruler, having ultimate power, knowledge and control. He can and will do and allow anything he wants, and that includes not allowing Hitler or anyone else to come to power if that would not be in some way related to his purposes. Being "God ordained" does not mean being "God approved." God does not approve of sin or Satanic men, but he allows sin and sinful men to exist to his glory.

 :God:Bl-U: Beautiful and excellent answer Reformer!
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Admin on January 09, 2017, 01:59:22 PM
No problem Admin

Obviously, not true!


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But I guess not even my opinion is allowed here. My post was deleted.


Obviously! As also this one will, since it is once again off topic. Let me say this again, it's not your job to moderate this forum, nor to attempt to dictate valid political questions, discussions, polls, or who can and who cannot start what you think is a baited or controversial topic. That's my job. If you had a problem with the way I moderate or with a particular thread, topic or post, that's what the "Report Post" button is for.

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Great job" moderating".  But youre in charge....

Try to swallow your pride and not forget that.  If you want to join the discussion, join it. If not, ignore it or even mark it as a thread not to be shown to you. That's what that option is for also, to not show you threads or read posts from people you don't want to.


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Anyway the point was to show how ridiculous this thread is.

We know your point, we've read it before. Clearly you are intolerant of certain views and wish to silence them. On the other hand, my job is not to silence views I don't agree with, but to moderate in making sure people follow rules, the posts stay on topic, they don't get personal and that others don't attempt highjack the thread with adhominem and insinuated attacks on the people who start them. If you think this is a stupid thread, keep that to yourself.


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Its the same as saying Trump is the greatest President ever.

He hasn't even been inaugurated yet. 

We got it, we got it.  It's a stupid question because you say so. You're a member of the stupid question police I suppose. Not here. Again, if you have such disdain for the question, why even post in the thread? Why even read it? See the Rules Tony wrote and posted for the forum, which states on any topic (particularly politics and religion), "If You Can't Stand The heat, Stay Out Of The Kitchen!" Sound advice! Others have taken it, you should to.

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Lieberman on January 09, 2017, 04:07:05 PM
And Trump doesn't have to be inaugurated for anyone to already know he's a bad President. He has history and a clear track record. Now whether he's the worst ever or not I think is debatable. But it's my opinion that he proves he's bad almost every day. What with his cozy relationship with Putin, immature tweets, ignorance of international affairs, contempt for the FBI and CIA, Nepotism, money lust, naïve appointments, contradictory promises, childish and ignorant responses to events and comments, etc., etc.,  he's already a classless and bad president. You don't actually have to stand there and feel an approaching tornado to know it's going to be bad. Some things, and people are obvious.

On a better note, GREAT post Reformer!
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on January 11, 2017, 06:14:31 PM
It's going to be a rocky 4 years, I know that. Almost every week something new or some new controversy or some disparaging word or attack against someone. I'm embarrassed and sick of it already.   :-[
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Erik Diamond on January 11, 2017, 06:21:18 PM
 :iagree:
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Peng Bao on January 18, 2017, 12:51:00 PM
Not my business, but what your president is doing is a moral obscenity, his appointments are nothing short of financial larceny, his demeanor an affront to civility, his lack of presidential dignity appalling, his lack of knowledge of foreign affairs makes him an international pariah, and his child-like braggadocious, disgraceful for a grown man. That's just my opinion, for what it's worth!  :baghead:
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Fred on January 18, 2017, 03:51:16 PM
Not my business,

No offense, but you're right, it's not your business since you are not an American.


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That's just my opinion, for what it's worth!

IMHO, not very much. But like me, you are entitled to your opinion. Nevertheless, you don't hear me insulting Xi Jinping, the chairman of China do you?
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Peng Bao on January 19, 2017, 12:12:51 AM
Fair enough.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Dustin on January 19, 2017, 02:54:30 AM
Ever notice how most of the Trump supporters act just like him?  Prideful, Nasty and Uncivil. In a word, unchristian. :thinker:
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Fred on January 20, 2017, 03:12:17 PM
Ever notice how most of the Trump supporters act just like him?  unchristian. :thinker:

Donald Trump is a Christian. Not a liberal Christian like yourself, but a Christian nonetheless.

In an interview after a meeting with evangelicals in New York City, renowned and respected Christian Dr. James Dobson told those in attendance that he personally knows the individual who led Donald Trump to Christ. Dobson added, “I don’t know when it was, but it has not been long. I believe he really made a commitment, but he’s a baby Christian.”

So he's not unchistian and only liberals think he is mean, racist or nasty. He will make America great again if you just give him the chance.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: aquatic on January 23, 2017, 04:24:31 PM
First day on the job and he signs 3 executive orders: withdrawing US from TPP, freezes federal hiring, and limits overseas abortion funding.

If Trump keeps this up he will become the greatest President in U.S. History.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Lieberman on January 24, 2017, 04:51:19 AM
First day on the job and he signs 3 executive orders: withdrawing US from TPP, freezes federal hiring, and limits overseas abortion funding.

One good thing (abortion) isn't going to make up for the hundred bad things he is going to do to this country. Even Nixon did some good things in his time in office.

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If Trump keeps this up he will become the greatest President in U.S. History.

 :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: You are such a jokester!
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Susan on January 24, 2017, 06:06:18 PM
If Trump keeps this up he will become the greatest President in U.S. History.

:-Oh-tHe-DrAma-: There is a reasonable possibility that he could be the worst President ever. But there is virtually "no" possibility that he will be the greatest President ever. He's too much a narcissist, conspiracy theorist, an immoral man, arrogant, irreligious, prideful, vindictive, paranoid, ungracious, delusional, immature, and insecure. And that's just what we have seen with our own eyes and are familiar with of him. Who knows what secrets are in his closet.  Good thing our lives are in God's hands or we'd be in trouble.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on January 25, 2017, 12:59:55 PM
:-Oh-tHe-DrAma-: There is a reasonable possibility that he could be the worst President ever. But there is virtually "no" possibility that he will be the greatest President ever. He's too much a narcissist, conspiracy theorist, an immoral man, arrogant, irreligious, prideful, vindictive, paranoid, ungracious, delusional, immature, and insecure.

The sad part is, that's not the half of it. Trump is a deadly media-made virus, with no foreseeable cure.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Rich Aikers on January 25, 2017, 11:39:59 PM
If Trump keeps this up he will become the greatest President in U.S. History.

Let's try and be reasonable here. Trump lost the popular vote by millions of Americans no matter how he pretends there was voter fraud. His own party admits that. That means over 2.9 million more American people voted against him, than for him. That's nearly 3 million people and nothing to scoff at. Second, he has a dismal 45 percent approval rating, one of the absolute worst in U.S. history for a President coming into office. These are facts, not rhetoric. No one, including most who voted for him, think he is, or will be, a great president. Except apparently his cult following. Talk about buyer's remorse!
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Lieberman on January 26, 2017, 09:33:15 AM

Trump is not a good man, much less a Christian man. Nothing is a better window into Donald Trump’s soul than a short clip of him meeting former Republican presidential candidate, and former Republican Senate Majority Leader, Bob Dole. Trump sees Dole, in a wheelchair, walks over, gives a cursory snobby greeting and immediately walks away. Trump’s visit was maybe 1 seconds long.

Obama sees them, and spends around 15 seconds talking to both Dole and his wife, then leans over and kisses Dole’s wife, Elizabeth (“Liddy”). Keep in mind that Bob Dole is a Republican and Obama is a Democrat. Yet Obama acted as a normal graceful human being greeting him warmly and kindly. Trump just blew him off. Trump is a selfish, self-centered man who cares about no one but himself. The point is, this is who Trump really is, it's not an act. He's actually a person without normal affection and grace.

Sometimes it’s not about what people can do for you.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: aquatic on January 26, 2017, 03:38:35 PM
Bob Dole is still alive? I love his pineapple and bananas!
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on January 26, 2017, 05:12:42 PM
Bob Dole is still alive? I love his pineapple and bananas!

At least Bob Dole is a solid Christian Republican who served the military and this country with dignity and who all decent Republicans respect. Trump serves only himself and cleverly avoided service in the military, as has his elitist sons. But this typical of a Trump supporter, to attempt to joke about a handicapped person because he disagrees with something your idol Trump says. Disgraceful.


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If Trump keeps this up he will become the greatest President in U.S. History.

How can he be the greatest President ever when he is a "confirmed continual liar, delusional, egocentric, licentious, and more than a little monomaniac. Did I say confirmed Pathological LIAR! Most politicians lie, but not compulsively and nearly every time they open their mouths. The media has to actually make up new words in order not to appear disrespectful by calling him A constant LIAR! For anyone to call this man a Christian or to support his many disturbing beliefs and ideas, including his lies, dangerous paranoia and desire to torture the lawless, is to demean the name Christian.



Calling A Lie, A Lie
by Dan Berry

Words matter.
And from the moment he became president, Donald J. Trump has unleashed so many of consequence that the public has barely had time to parse their full implication. Words about the dishonest media, the end of Obamacare, the construction of that border wall with Mexico — this is an abbreviated list, and he hasn’t even completed his first week in office.

Amid the verbal deluge, President Trump this week repeated an assertion he made shortly after his election: that millions of ballots cast illegally by undocumented immigrants cost him the popular vote. If true, this would suggest the wholesale corruption of American democracy.
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Not to worry: As far as anyone knows, the president’s assertion is akin to saying that millions of unicorns also voted illegally.
But such a baseless statement by a president challenged the news media to find the precise words to describe it. This will be a recurring challenge, given President Trump’s habit of speaking in sales-pitch hyperbole and his tendency to deride any less-than-flattering report as “fake news.”

The words needed to be exactly right. “And the language has a rich vocabulary for describing statements that fall short of the truth,” said Geoffrey Nunberg, a linguist who teaches at the University of California, Berkeley, School of Information. “They’re ‘baseless,’ they’re ‘bogus,’ they’re ‘lies,’ they’re ‘untruths.'

Rarely are these words, each with its own nuance, applied directly to something said by a president, though others have also dissembled (like Bill Clinton on whether he had sex with an intern). “This is the very unique situation that we find ourselves in as journalists and as a country,” said Joshua Benton, the director of the Nieman Journalism Lab at Harvard University. “We have an administration that seems to be asserting a right to its own facts and doesn’t seem to be able to produce evidence to back those claims.”

Still, carefully chosen words can capture that. “A whole vocabulary has come bubbling up that would not have been used five years ago,” Mr. Nunberg said in an interview. “People are going to have to sit down and decide: Are we going to want to go over the moral consequences of telling an untruth? The mere fact of it being untrue? Or the fact that it’s bogus, baseless or groundless?”

Some news organizations used words like “falsely” or “wrongly” — adverbs that tend to weaken the impact — in framing what the president said. Some used “with no evidence,” or “won’t provide any proof,” or “unverified claims,” or “repeats debunked claim.”

The New York Times, though, ultimately chose more muscular terminology, opting to use the word “lie” in the headline. After initially using the word “falsely,” it switched to “lie” online and then settled on “Meeting With Top Lawmakers, Trump Repeats an Election Lie” for Tuesday’s print edition.

People noticed, and debated its use. That is because, from the childhood schoolyard to the grave, this is a word neither used nor taken lightly. It stands apart from most other terms in the linguistic ballpark of untruths, including “falsehood,” which Chuck Todd, the host of “Meet the Press,” recently used to counter the Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway’s Orwellian phrase, “alternative facts.”

To say that someone has “lied,” an active verb, or has told a “lie,” a more passive, distancing noun, is to say that the person intended to deceive. In addition, Mr. Nunberg said, “a certain moral opprobrium attaches to it, a reprehensibility of motive.”

The question of intent has informed National Public Radio’s approach to covering Mr. Trump’s many disputable claims: that he saw thousands of people in Jersey City cheering as the World Trade Center collapsed on Sept. 11, for example, or that the news media had made up a feud between him and the country’s intelligence agencies, despite his own tweets likening those agencies to Nazi Germany.

On NPR’s “Morning Edition” on Wednesday, Mary Louise Kelly explained that she had looked up the definition of “lie” in the Oxford English Dictionary. “A false statement made with intent to deceive,” Ms. Kelly said. “Intent being the key word there. Without the ability to peer into Donald Trump’s head, I can’t tell you what his intent was. I can tell you what he said and how that squares, or doesn’t, with facts.”

Michael Oreskes, NPR’s senior president for news, supported the decision. In an article on the NPR website, Mr. Oreskes said that “the minute you start branding things with a word like ‘lie,’ you push people away from you.” The inherent risk, he suggested, was that news organizations would be seen as taking sides.

Editors at The Times also consulted dictionaries. And they had some prior experience with the matter, having approved the use of the L word once before in reference to Mr. Trump.

In September, when he grandly announced the findings of a yearslong so-called investigation into what nearly everyone else never doubted — “President Obama was born in the United States, period” — The Times published a Page 1 article with the headline “Trump Gives Up a Lie but Refuses to Repent.”

Dean Baquet, the executive editor of The Times, said that he learned of Mr. Trump’s latest comments in a text message from an editor on Monday night. After consulting with other top editors, he decided that the use of “lie” was warranted.

For Mr. Baquet, the question of intent was resolved, given that Mr. Trump had made the same assertion two months earlier through his preferred mode of communication, the tweet: “In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally.”

(Nota bene: The tweet actually contains what might be considered two untruths — or falsehoods, or erroneous assertions, or bogus claims — since Mr. Trump’s victory was no landslide, but among the closer elections in American history.)

Mr. Baquet said he fully understood the gravity of using the word “lie,” whether in reference to an average citizen or to the president of the United States. He emphasized that it should be used sparingly, partly because the term carries such negative connotations, and partly so that it does not lose potency.

“On the other hand, we should be letting people know in no uncertain terms that it’s untrue,” Mr. Baquet said, referring to the president’s assertion of a voter-fraud epidemic. “He repeated it without a single grain of evidence, and it’s a very powerful statement about the electoral system.”

Mr. Baquet said that emails from readers seemed split on the appropriateness of the word’s use. Meanwhile, Mr. Benton, of the Nieman Journalism Lab, applauded its use as a noun in the Times headline (“Trump Repeats an Election Lie”); in this construction, he said, “the lie can exist as a reality distinct from the speaker’s intention.”

Over all, the tension between the Trump administration and much of the mainstream media is — what’s the word?
Troubling, according to Sara Brady, a crisis-communications specialist based in Florida. She says that a complete breakdown of the already fractious relationship affects everyone.

“The media run the risk of being disrespectful to the president of the United States,” she said. “But the problem is: If he doesn’t get called out in some way, we as Americans are never going to know what’s true and what’s not.”
In other words: Words matter!

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Lieberman on January 26, 2017, 06:05:00 PM
Let's face facts, and not "Trump"ed up facts, but real facts. He's a Pariah everywhere and it saddens me that this country elected him. The Brittish find him offensive, Canada can't stand him, Mexico despises him, Japan dislikes him, China hates him, the only people who really support Trump are the less educated Americans in mostly white male southern (Texas, Florida, Alabama, etc.)or rust-belt zones and the leaders of Israel. Hmmmmmm. 

But his appeal in these areas will ebb when those who voted for him see that his policies will impact them negatively as well. The latest CBS News poll showed only 32 percent of respondents had a favorable view of him, lower than even George W Bush (44 percent) and well below Obama (60 percent) when he was first sworn in.

The Justice Minister of Germany announced on Wednesday that his government would scrap a long-standing law (“lèse-majesté") prohibiting Germans from insulting foreign heads of state.  In other words: Donald Trump became a foreign head of state five days ago. Trump is just not a popular man around the world and particularly in Germany. He has openly questioned the importance of the European Union and called German Chancellor Angela Merkel's policies “catastrophic.” In a survey, 77 percent of Germans expressed confidence that former president Barack Obama would “do the right thing regarding world affairs,” and 85 percent said they had no confidence in Trump to do the same. Yet the idol worshippers in America continue to make claims of greatness. What's wrong with this picture?
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Lieberman on January 26, 2017, 06:09:14 PM
Bob Dole is still alive? I love his pineapple and bananas!

At least Bob Dole is a solid Christian Republican who served the military and this country with dignity and who all decent Republicans respect. Trump serves only himself and cleverly avoided service in the military, as has his elitist sons. But this typical of a Trump supporter, to attempt to joke about a handicapped person because he disagrees with something your idol Trump says. Disgraceful.

 :feed-troll: Defintion from Wikipedia: In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion, often for the troll's amusement.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Lieberman on January 27, 2017, 03:36:51 AM
Trump wants 12 Billion (that's Billion with a B) American tax payer dollars for a wall, that most intelligent people say will cost at least 30 BILLION minimum? Is this the man who is going to stop gouging the taxpayer?
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: aquatic on January 27, 2017, 03:43:22 PM
Lieberman,
I'm not a troll, but your replies deserve a good trolling. Oh No!! Let me consult my Bob Dole proper ettiquette chart. Lets see now... Obama spends a few minutes. PASS! Trump spends 15 second handshake. FAILURE and a spawn of Satan!

You're parroting the media. Demonizing and making exaggerations of Trump. Your polls and surveys have already proven to be a sham. The mainstream media is in the pockets of liberals and the elites. If everyone in the world hates Trump then no wonder I like him. I recall the world hating someone else too. Its because Trump speaks the truth. For the most part and he's not politically correct.

Many of his lies are negotiating tactics to induce talks. To get the ball rolling. He's a businessman. King Solomon said he would cut a baby in half and didn't. What a liar! How dare he. It was a negotiating tactic. Now Trump does lie. So does everyone on Earth. That doesn't mean he will not be a great leader!

I repeat. Just because someone has negative character traits, or immoral, or sinful, however you want to describe it does not make them a bad leader. Your problem is in rushing to judgment.

King David's temper and emotions were worse than Trumps. His sin was worse than Trumps. He even had a crude mouth. Guess what? He's regarded as the best leader of Israel.

King Solomon! A billionaire womanizer. Sound familiar? What a sinner! He wouldn't make a great leader!

Trump reminds me of a modern day Samson.  You know the incredible leader who had a whore? He also told the Philistines that they shouldn't have plowed with his heifer!  Such a potty mouth! Anyway, us deplorable see Trump not as a savior, but a grenade. We hope he takes out a pillar of the government and take a few thousand "Philistines" with him. And the media, since they use him as sport.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on January 27, 2017, 07:34:24 PM
You're parroting the media. Demonizing and making exaggerations of Trump.

Time for me to jump in here. It's not the media that makes Trump say and do outrageous things such as tweeting like a 16 year old that's had his feelings hurt, it's the fact that he is immature, vain and egotistical. Don't blame the media for Trump's behavior. That's like liberals blaming society for criminal's behavior. No, we're all responsible for how we act, what we say and what we do, not the media. You, Trump, John and Billnjune need to get over the media as your stand-in whipping boy whenever they ask a question and actually expect a sitting President to be gracious enough to answer it rather than make it all about the bad question. "Mr. President, you said you'd release your taxes, when are you going to do that?"  ....oh, just another lie!


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Your polls and surveys have already proven to be a sham.

Do tell, how so?


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The mainstream media is in the pockets of liberals and the elites.

You sound like that crazy country singer, Ted Nugent. They were so in the pocket of the liberal media that they hardly covered Bernie sanders, and were all over Bill Clinton and Hillary for far less than Trump has done. The media is in the pocket of big money, not liberals. Whatever gets ratings, they'll cover regardless of if it deserves it or not. That's really the main reason Trump got elected. Overkill or over coverage of a man that didn't deserve half the soundbytes they gave him.

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If everyone in the world hates Trump then no wonder I like him. I recall the world hating someone else too.  Its because Trump speaks the truth.

Now you're comparing Trump to Christ? They did that to Hitler, the Beatles and Kim Jong-il  too. That's blasphemy considering Trump is amoral, not even a Christian, and is a proven compulsive liar. Trump's no bastion of truth and the fact that you don't know that just shows how deceived you are in worshiping at his image. The truth? You've got to be kidding me. The next time you hear Trump tell the truth, will be the first time. Trump makes up his own facts and his own reality, but whatever he says is somehow truth to his followers.


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Now Trump does lie. So does everyone on Earth. That doesn't mean he will not be a great leader!

Wait, now he's a liar? Trump is a bastion of truth and that's why everyone hates him, but he's also a proven liar like everyone else? Driving on both sides of the street aren't you? Where did you read that Christians were all a bunch of liars like everyone else. Not from the Bible, that's for sure. I don't recall any other President compulsively lying, railing on the press, distorting facts, condemning his own departments because they give facts that don't agree with his warped views, being less dignified than Trump, nor constantly declaring how great they are, or how everyone loves him, or how many people showed up at a rally to adore him, or how much money he has, or a hundred other things showing how really arped a man and how rude he is. To be frank, if you think everyone tells lies like Trump does, I feel sorry for you.


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I repeat. Just because someone has negative character traits, or immoral, or sinful, however you want to describe it does not make them a bad leader.

That's exactly what makes someone a bad leader.  The fact that their negative character traits are recognized by almost the entire world, the fact that they're a compulsive liar, that their political moves are designed to enrich them personally, the fact that he doesn't understand the weight of his own words (and behavior) as commander and chief, that he can't tolerate anyone disagreeing with him without sending out a nasty tweet, that he has anger management issues, that he is obviously unstable and childish. Yes, it's all exactly what makes a bad leader. A very bad leader. Do you even know what a good leader is? You would know that if you read the Bible sometime.


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King David's temper and emotions were worse than Trumps.

That's not even remotely true. Have you even read David's writings? I guess not. You should try it, they demonstrate vividly what type of man David really was. Have you ever read Trump's writings? How money is King, how you're not successful if you're not rich, etc., etc.


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His sin was worse than Trumps.

It's was bad enough to compare Trump to Christ, now you're doubling down by comparing him to King David, the Lord's anointed? You reallyave a high opinion of this vain self centered man. Next you'll build a golden image of him and bow down to worship him as your god who's going to make America great again. America will never be great, and it never really was great. Worship at his idol if you like, I mean if you haven't already done that. But Trump's no David, and the fact that you don't know that says a lot about your knowledge of leadership, graciousness and Christianity. Yes, David killed a man, but that in no way makes Trump better than David. Or as you so carelessly put it, makes David worse than Trump. Trump's not a good leader, not a child of God and David was both. For someone to say David was worse than Trump is almost blasphemy. You need to ask God for forgiveness for defaming a man God selected as a type of Christ.


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King Solomon! A billionaire womanizer.

Now you're comparing Trump to King Solomon. Do you know how warped that is? Was Pilot a good man because he sought to let Christ go and not crucify him as the Jews wanted? Did that make him great? He ended up doing it anyway, didn't he. Don't compare unsaved leaders with God fearing men of the Bible, it's not becoming of a Christian. It's apples and oranges.


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Trump reminds me of a modern day Samson.

 :Say_what: And you remind me of.. Oh I better not, lest I get moderated again. Let's just say it's delusional of the highest degree to compare a vile man like Trump to God's spirit filled servants. Silly even.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Reggie Matthews on January 28, 2017, 12:43:28 AM
 :idonotagree: aquatic, Trump's no King David in any sense of the man. The fact that both were sinners doesn't make David worse than Trump. Please!
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: aquatic on January 28, 2017, 02:21:18 AM
Reggie, I never said NOR implied that Trump was better than David. Pihilly made a false claim. Both of you should read more carefully, instead of making false accusations. I said David's sin was worse than Trumps and it makes my argument stronger.

But my argument was completely overlooked. Philly that was a horrible rebuttal. When someone makes an argument you are suppose to provide reasons you disagree. it's obvious your disdain for Trump has made your replies full of heated emotion and not a lot of substance.

My whole argument is that sin does not necessarily make one a bad leader. I provided biblical support for this. David sinned worse than Trump, Solomon sinned as well. They're regarded as great leaders. Trump sins he's called a terrible leader. Its a bit hypocritical. And a rush to judgment.

The only thing I received was false accusations:

-I should worship at Trumps idol, if I haven't already. False

-I said David is worse than Trump. False

-Making a comparison of David and Trump is almost blasphemy. False

Here at the MountainRetreat we attack arguments,  not the person who makes the argument.

My suggestion for you would be to take some time to relax and come back and have a proper discussion.
Your obsession with Trump is not good for your wellbeing
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Reggie Matthews on January 28, 2017, 03:00:13 AM
Reggie, I never said NOR implied that Trump was better than David. Pihilly made a false claim.

I'm not going to get into an argument about what you said or didn't say, because that sounds just like Trump. Saying something and then arguing with people who don't agree with him that he didn't say it.

You said "King David's temper and emotions were worse than Trumps. His sin was worse than Trumps." That's your words. How you could possibly think or even know that is beyond anyone's comprehension, but that is what you said. That David was a greater sinner than Trump.  ::) Now right on cue, you want to deny it. Just like Trump. I guess you didn't make fun of Republican Senator Bob Dole either. This is so ridiculous.


Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on January 28, 2017, 03:03:07 PM
Don't be surprised, did you expect honesty from Trump supporters? This is the person who said "I'm not really a Trump supporter," and the same person who said Hillary was a warmonger responsible for the deaths of half a million people. The same person who joyfully claimed that on November 1, 2016 Assange would release emails that would have Clinton arrested. Uh Huh. We're still waiting for that one. Aquatic makes all these claims in this thread and says they are with no emotions and with no bias.  :smileyBounce:

That's like saying Democrats are not biased against Republicans. If anyone in their right mind believes that, based on her posts, I've got some prime Real Estate in the swamps of Florida to sell you.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Fred on January 28, 2017, 04:17:15 PM
Aquatic makes all these claims in this thread and says they are with no emotions and with no bias.  :smileyBounce:

That's like saying Democrats are not biased against Republicans. If anyone in their right mind believes that, based on her posts, I've got some prime Real Estate in the swamps of Florida to sell you.

Dawg, are you unbiased in your posts against Trump?
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Fred on January 28, 2017, 04:20:00 PM

Interesting that this poll is about even. 31% saying  he's bad, and 29% saying either I like him or let's wait and see. He obviously isn't hated like the media says he is.

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: bram on January 28, 2017, 05:24:06 PM
lieberman said:

He has openly questioned the importance of the European Union and called German Chancellor Angela Merkel's policies “catastrophic.”

I agree with Trump, the European Union, where I live, is doing nothing for its people, Yes worse, it is destroying the normal life through all the moslim immigrants. These people can commit every crime, and they are never responsible, its disgusting what the EU is doing. And we pay for it. And all the Germans I talk too, for my work I am a lot in Germany, find Angela's Merkel policies "catastrophic" Just like Trump does. But you prefer to believe the lying left media that has indoctrinated us for the last 40-50 years with "there is no God".
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Lieberman on January 28, 2017, 06:02:21 PM
lieberman said:

He has openly questioned the importance of the European Union and called German Chancellor Angela Merkel's policies “catastrophic.”

I agree with Trump,

For German Chancellor Angela Merkel's policies to be "catastrophic," I don't see the country falling apart under its own weight. Maybe your idea of Catastrophic is your own private reality, like Trump's. There are a hundred countries who would love to be sitting in the cat bird's sweat of your country. Why do you think they're trying to get in? Because it's a catastrophic nation falling apart? People just say anything, without basis of fact or reality. Your's is one of the few great nations in the world. Maybe you're just spoiled by so much of the good life you don't realize how the rest of the world lives. Thank God ou're living in your country.


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the European Union, where I live, is doing nothing for its people, Yes worse, it is destroying the normal life through all the moslim immigrants. These people can commit every crime, and they are never responsible,

So I assume you're dirt poor, eating off the ground, and you'll die of hunger soon? Better sell that computer then. Or perhaps you just don't know how lucky you are. Look around the world? There are plenty of nations that are a catastrophic failure, but you country is not one of them. And actually, rereading your comments, they sound rather bitter and racist. Muslims aren't responsible for crime or terrorism, terrorist and criminals are. I've never heard anyone in the EU support criminals or terrorists. You, Trump and others of your type always try and make it sound like they do, which is a tactic, not the truth. Terrorism and criminal activity is not synonymous with Muslim, Jew, Black or Mexican. You far right fanatics don't seem to know the difference between Muslim immigrants and criminals. Years ago in this country we had the same people complaining that the Italian immigrants were all criminals and were getting away with murder. You can't paint a whole group of people with one brush. As a Christian, I don't know why that is so hard for the church to understand. Back to this country and Trump, it's not Mexican criminals who are destroying this country, it's people like Trump with simplistic answers to complicated problems. Build a wall, stop immigration, ban Muslims, blame the media, when will this lunacy end.

I'm not saying I agree with your country''s current policies, just please don't use the Trump'ed up word, catastrophic. Trump us the same word about the Obama Administration's 8 years, which is also ridiculous.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on January 28, 2017, 07:06:27 PM
Aquatic makes all these claims in this thread and says they are with no emotions and with no bias.  :smileyBounce:

That's like saying Democrats are not biased against Republicans. If anyone in their right mind believes that, based on her posts, I've got some prime Real Estate in the swamps of Florida to sell you.

Dawg, are you unbiased in your posts against Trump?

Of course not. I think he's an imbecile and I believe that anyone with half a brain should know that. Yes,I'm questioning the intelligence of today's Christians who swoon at the altar of Trump. Bias means to be predisposed in favor of or against someone or something. Yes I have been, because of his constantly revealing how short sighted, indecent, ignorant, vile, immoral, uncivilized, unfair, dishonest, vain, selfish and pompous he is.  The difference between me and aquatic is that I don't attempt to pretend that I'm not biased against Trump. I know what kind of snake-oil salesman he is. I'm honest about it. Not like aquatic claiming to be unbiased when everyone here knows better. Even those who agree.

I actually don't like Hilary either, she's not Christian and I'm biased against her also, but not as much as the disgraceful ignorance and immaturity of Trump. Hope that answers your question.  ;D
 
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Lieberman on January 29, 2017, 12:15:06 AM
Federal Judge yesterday Blocks Trump Order on Refugees Amid Chaos and Outcry Worldwide. Oh well, more of Trump causing divisions and tearing the nation apart.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: bram on January 29, 2017, 02:48:33 PM
Lieberman, my computer is so old I don't think anyone would buy it.

And even if I had a good selling computer, I would not try to sell it, if I put it on the internet or in the newspaper, I would most certainly get some very agressive north african young man on the phone or on my door.

The problem with crime is that those people that commit them are not held responsible by our political correct government.  No whatever happends it is the blame of the white male.

We want to preserve our country, but the liberals want to destroy it, and you are on the liberal side so to see.

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Melanie on January 29, 2017, 02:54:29 PM
Lieberman, my computer is so old I don't think anyone would buy it.

And even if I had a good selling computer, I would not try to sell it, if I put it on the internet or in the newspaper, I would most certainly get some very agressive north african young man on the phone or on my door.

The problem with crime is that those people that commit them are not held responsible by our political correct government.  No whatever happends it is the blame of the white male.

Wow! That "does:" sound racist. Us poor white people, we are so downtriodden  ::)

Christians! Where are they? Are there even any left?
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Fred on January 29, 2017, 03:37:42 PM
Wow! That "does:" sound racist. Us poor white people, we are so downtriodden  ::)

Christians! Where are they? Are there even any left?

It's called a backlash. That's what happens when you push people too far. We're not going to be politically correct anymore. If Trump hasn't shown you that, your head is in the sand. It doesn't mean we're not Christians.

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: aquatic on January 29, 2017, 09:35:03 PM
Ok I don't know if I can make this any clearer, but I will try:

What I did say: David's sin is worse than Trumps. In our human eyes that is a fact.

What I didn't say: Trump is better than David

That was how you interpreted it... and had nothing to do with the argument.

red herring.



Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Lieberman on January 30, 2017, 11:12:59 PM
Ok I don't know if I can make this any clearer, but I will try:

What I did say: David's sin is worse than Trumps. In our human eyes that is a fact.

In "your" eyes David's sin was worse than Trump's sin. Please do not speak for the rest of us. As usual, like Trump, a your words are facts.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on February 01, 2017, 01:06:53 AM
Lieberman, my computer is so old I don't think anyone would buy it.

And even if I had a good selling computer, I would not try to sell it, if I put it on the internet or in the newspaper, I would most certainly get some very agressive north african young man on the phone or on my door.

The problem with crime is that those people that commit them are not held responsible by our political correct government.  No whatever happends it is the blame of the white male.

Wow! That "does:" sound racist. Us poor white people, we are so downtriodden  ::)

Christians! Where are they? Are there even any left?

It doesn't just sound racist Melanie, it is racist! Whenever you hear the key code words, or them rambling on about the downtrodden and poorly treated "white man," or the aggressive African, there is inevitably racism involved. Usually, they are so deceived, they don't even know they're racists. We see it with Fred, we see it with Bram we see it with Aquatic's pretending it's about safety and not Muslims, we saw it here a few years ago when John was active posting and rambled on about states rights, the confederate flag and his support for the racist Cliven Bundy stealing federal land. Bundy is the guy who said blacks were better off in Slavery. So Bram's words don't surprise me one bit. Most of Trump's support comes from far-right wing conservative Christians who are often closet-racists who have disdain for almost all minorities (meaning anyone not white) who immigrate to this country, or even live here.

Quote fro John Dean:
Trump presidency will be 'calamity'

John Dean, former counsel to the Nixon White House, believes the Trump presidency will end in "calamity".

    The way the Trump presidency is beginning it is safe to say it will end in calamity. It is almost a certainty. Even Republicans know this!
    — John Dean (@JohnWDean) January 31, 2017


I suppose they're all liberals too eh, Aquatic, Bram, John, BillnJune. Face facts, we're not liberal, we're rational. This guys a nut case.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: bram on February 01, 2017, 03:36:57 PM
Philly, your language tells a lot about you.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Terrell Meyer on February 01, 2017, 06:52:24 PM
Ok I don't know if I can make this any clearer, but I will try:

What I did say: David's sin is worse than Trumps. In our human eyes that is a fact.

In "your" eyes David's sin was worse than Trump's sin. Please do not speak for the rest of us. As usual, like Trump, a your words are facts.

God forbid David's sin was worse than Trump's.  Unbelievable. David was a man of God, trump is a reprobate with no love of God.

 Matt 5:21-22
 "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire".



Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: R. Anspach on February 01, 2017, 07:51:25 PM
Trump has enough sins in his heart to account for 50 murders. Satan is the father of lies for a reason.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Reformer on February 02, 2017, 02:55:33 AM
Lieberman, my computer is so old I don't think anyone would buy it.

And even if I had a good selling computer, I would not try to sell it, if I put it on the internet or in the newspaper, I would most certainly get some very agressive north african young man on the phone or on my door.

The problem with crime is that those people that commit them are not held responsible by our political correct government.  No whatever happends it is the blame of the white male.

Wow! That "does:" sound racist. Us poor white people, we are so downtriodden  ::)

It is racist. And I would encourage Bram to look deeper and consider the source for such bitterness against people. Personally, I am seeing a lot that (like Melanie) I would not like to see from Bible believing Christians. But we are all sinners, and we are who we are.

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Robert Powell on February 02, 2017, 04:05:54 AM

Like E.F. Hutton, when Reformer speaks, I listen.  :BibleRead:

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Dan on February 02, 2017, 08:49:42 AM
Big Deal, Reformer wants to play Holier than thou! Some groups bring on the bias against them by their actions. When Bram says Africans are aggressive and everything is blamed on the white man. There's a reason for that. When Trump says Muslims are a problem, there's a reason for that. When Aquatic asks what's wrong with banning Muslims, there's a reason for that. Don't shoot the messenger. These people bring it upon themselves
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: bram on February 03, 2017, 04:30:58 PM
We are the most indoctrinated generation the world has ever seen. And people who are indoctrinated are not aware of it.
The longer you have gone to school the longer you are exposed to indoctrination, the more educated are in their education more indoctrinated.
 But it doesn't stop at school. Indoctrination is everywhere, Television, radio, music, newspaper, Newsbroadcasts.

 Who are doing the indoctrination, the onces who are also indoctrinated themselves, the liberal left. The liberal left have worked themselves in positions where they are able to indoctrinate, teachers, reporters etc.
 
What is their agenda, what do they want you to believe?

That they themselves have the highes standards of knowlegde, of righteousness, of freedom.

So they have to deny everthing that is called God, that why they make believers look stupid.

Thats why they create unrighteous feelings, for instance, femenism. Woman are oppressed by man, they are victims because they have no equal rights in society. Christianity also oppresses woman, they cannot be elder, they cannot be minister. Their message is christianity suppresses woman.

The social order is not right either, the employers have to much power and the employees are their victims, this should be changed with unions the employees have more power they can strike fight for themselves, liberal social righteousness demands that the Godgiven social order  should be taken away.

Sexual revolution, abortion, homosexuality, transgender you name,  only equality is righteousness, no God, no master.

You are not aloud to have a different opinion, than you are a facist or racist or you name it.
This system also has feminiced most man, most man don't have an opinion that differs from the liberal left, their mother, they stayed under her control and never grew up.

that's why we have Isaiah 3 vs 12 come to us:
As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

That is exactly what we see today.

This indoctrination was so massive, so all over the place and when you disagree you are stupid and a danger to society. So it infected allmost everybody.

Dan 7 : After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

This liberal beast leaves no room for any other thoughts, it tries to annihiliate everthing what is different from her view.

I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; Dan 7:21

Together with the rise of this socalled liberalism we saw the great falling away of the church.

And the arrogance those people have, no respect for God nor for any Godgiven Law or order. The hate the Godgiven differences, that God created them man en woman, if the could take they genders away they would.
They don't want differences between the races, they like to get it mixed so one race would be left over. They like to get away with the nations, one nation on earth.

Genesis 11: 4 , And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

It is still there, the ungodly like to unite against God, Ps 2 : Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

This is the liberal left: and they are focused on their agenda, for instance, if you say the behavior of that group is destructive,  you are a facist, a racist or a homophobic.

(Thats why I like Trump, he is different, he is decisive, he is not one of them.)

They created for most groups a victimhood, that brings destruction and violence.

Also christians  are indoctrinated, a lot have fallen away from their belief, a lot them are not aware of it. Now we have here those "Green Churches" they have a new gospel fight the global warming to save the people.

Be not decieved, God is not mocked.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Reggie Matthews on February 03, 2017, 05:34:30 PM
So they have to deny everthing that is called God, that why they make believers look stupid.

The only thing that makes professing Christians look stupid is their racism and bigotry masquerading as the defense of the white men, and love of God. What could make professing Christians look more stupid than saying let's just ban everyone from certain countries from entering our country. Now that's real stupidity!

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Thats why they create unrighteous feelings, for instance, femenism.

Don't change the subject, Trump! That tactic has been tried for years and never works. I'm discussing you and Aquatic's racist rants about certain countries and how they are the ruin of the world, and particularly the white man. I think you called them North Africans as it applies to your country. Here they're the Mexicans and Syrians. In Iran they're the Jews. In Pakistan it's the entire country of India. All unrighteous people play that fear and blame game. It's not new, Pharaoh did it thousands and thousands of years ago.


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You are not aloud to have a different opinion, than you are a facist or racist or you name it.


Only if you're as fascist or racist. Look it up! In your world, you're allowed to have an opinion of nationalism and pro Trump, but no one is allowed to have an opinion anti-Trump or else they are godless liberals. Even when they're not. That's not freedom, that's fascism. Fascism is authoritarian and promotes nationalism at all costs, including extermination and banning. Fits! Look it up before you deny it! You've already demonstrated your hatred of the North Africans, so I don't think we need to define racism.


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Dan 7 : After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.


You need to stay away from Eschatology as you've mangled these passages horribly. In short, you don't know what you're talking about.


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I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

Next you're going to tell me Trump is the great deliverer, arm of God? Leave scripture out of this becse you don't know what you are talking about.

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They don't want differences between the races, they like to get it mixed so one race would be left over. They like to get away with the nations, one nation on earth.


Race mixing huh? Yeah, I knew that was coming when you mentioned the downtrodden white man. Pathetic! Well, at least Aquatic and Fred agree with you.

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Patrick o on March 01, 2017, 02:44:03 PM
The,Democrat party is  extremely satanic. They are ultra pro abortion and ultra pro homosexuality. They control most of the media and push racebaiting propaganda. And Obama is by far the most satanic man who ever sat as president. The monster even voted 3 times as a senator not to help babies who survived abortion. No Christians voted him. Not even possible.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on March 02, 2017, 12:52:36 PM
Is President Donald Trump Mentally Ill?
Classic Signs of Mental Deficiency

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Lieberman on March 06, 2017, 12:19:03 PM
The real question should be, Is Donald Trump Already the Greatest Liar in Washington in US History?  Because every single week, bar none, he says something that is a deliberate lie. And now we're so use to it that we just shrug as if it's normal, and don't even cringe when he says something ridiculous like he's got proof that President Obama ordered a wiretap on him. And Fox News puts out "fake News" that it may be true and produces nitwits to try and make it seem as if there is some evidence. Producing none of course. Trump just has continual lies to cover up something, to detract from what he has done or to take the he off what Russia has on him that might be used for blackmail. Trump is a nightmare for any "sane" person, and I emphasize that because there are a "lot" of people that are clinically insane to support a man so unbalanced.

Meanwhile there are more killings of Muslims and Indians (mistaken for muslims) all because of the atmosphere Trump s produced in this country, even from two people here3 who made hateful bigoted statements and have to bear their own shame for that. It's all part of the same mentality that Trump has nurtured and excuses. Aquatic's statements (see the posts that haven't been removed) particularly heinous. How much does this hateful speech by professing Christians contribute to what is now going on with these murders? It's anyone's guess.

And of course Trump now has removed Iraq from the stupid ban list Trump has put out. It was stupid before, and it's still stupid and will have repercussions that we can only imagine.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Stan Pat on March 06, 2017, 02:20:45 PM

Yeah, I worry about him. Especially that it's all self-inflicted-turmoil that seems is never going to stop. Four more years of this childish, immature temper tantrums, tweets and accusations. Someone please tell this man that he is the President of the United States and it's time he started acting like it.

If he can!
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Reformer on March 06, 2017, 03:58:18 PM
My two cents. You hit the nail on the head. Trump says all these ridiculous things with no proof of anything to keep the media talking about nonsense, rather than the poor job he is doing with international affairs, weakening our constitutional rights, wrecking havoc on the Food and drug administration, and actually getting things done rather than continuing rhetoric about a wall that will obviously never be built. Maybe a few miles of new fencing, and a lot of new rhetoric to cover his alternative truths.  Meanwhile, Korea fires another missile yesterday, Iran thumbs its nose at him while starting up their nuclear program again, and no one's talking about Russia hacking america, he's hates taking important information or going to meetings, he hates reading important reports and briefings (if he can read well enough to even absorb what he reads, which I do not believe he can), he won't take advice from seasoned Washington insiders. Instead he is getting advice from amateurs and people who are not knowledgeable, commenting on Fox news stories "as if" they are fact, repeating rumors and quoting magazine articles as proof, whew! I think his age is catching up with him a a little senility has crept in.  It's all designed and done to distract from the fact that he really doesn't know what he is doing most of the time. LORD help us all.

That's my political comments for this month.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Fred on March 07, 2017, 06:16:51 AM
tsk, tsk, Reformer. Here I thought you were conservative?  :'(
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Reformer on March 07, 2017, 07:20:30 AM
tsk, tsk, Reformer. Here I thought you were conservative?  :'(

I am, just not "CRAZY" conservative, like the Trump worshipers. I know lies, stupidity and Sham when I see and hear it.

Joh 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

I take Scripture seriously.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Patrick o on March 10, 2017, 06:46:13 AM
The Democrat party is ultra. Pro abortion and ultra
Pro homosexual and calls islam a religion of peace. They also control most of the media and push racebaiting propaganda. I voted for Cruz in Pennsylvania. God gives Christians wisdom.  Trump is a better choice than Hillary. And Obama was by far the most satanic man who ever sat in the Whitehouse.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Dana Pescator on March 10, 2017, 10:05:27 AM
In case you didn't know, the election is over. News Flash! Trump is President.

We're now dealing with what he does, not with what Hillary or Obama did or would have done. That's yesterday's news.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Patrick o on March 27, 2017, 05:06:26 PM
News flash a supreme court judge who is againts abortion will soon be sitting on the bench. And the drug problem will also be address. And Christian freedom will be protected.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on March 28, 2017, 12:23:06 AM
The compulsive Liar Trump is losing support even from his own party. When FOX news people are criticizing you (almost impossible) you know you're in trouble. I guess Trump is realizing that he isn't the great deal maker he was in his own little warped mind. Maybe if someone could tutor him on reading he might actually know that it takes more than a big head, bravado and continual lies to get things done. You can't inherit brains like he inherited his ego and money.


And all the nitwits who voted for this man, knowing he was a mental deficient, are getting exactly what they deserve. The TrumpCare bill, or what was really a NoCare bill couldn't be passed not even with Republicans controlling everything including the presidency. Because people are beginning to actually realize what that would mean. In real terms, not in fancy Republican campaign slogans. Wasn't it Trump who screamed, dishonest Hillary?  He makes Hillary look like a saint.


Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History? Well, he's certainly the most dishonest and incompetent. Even if he could read.

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Patrick o on March 30, 2017, 08:17:55 AM
Everyone is evil. A saint is a sinner saved by Grace. And when Christians vote. They never vote for pro abortion polictians are like Hillary and Obama. Only people of Satan do.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Lieberman on March 30, 2017, 11:19:24 AM
Everyone is evil. A saint is a sinner saved by Grace.

"And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds; )" 2Pe 2:7-8

Are you vexed with the filthy conversation and unlawful deeds of Trump? If not, that would fall into the category of hypocrisy.


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And when Christians vote. They never vote for pro abortion polictians

I'm glad you know what Christians will and will not do. Does that make you God, or just make you feel Godlike? I love the "one issue" Christians who can overlook every single sin, no matter how big it is, so long as it's not the sin of abortion. God is not so overlooking, he deems one sin as deadly as another.

"He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations." Isa 66:3

How about he that looks upon a woman to lust after her as if he committed adultery, or he that divorces as he that broke God's covenant, or he that hates his brother as if he were a murderer. In God's eyes, there are lots of sins beside abortion that condemn a man to hell.

"These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren." Pr 6:16, 19

You may not, but the Lord hates a liar and looks at it as an abomination. When will Christians learn that there are more deadly sins than just the sin of abortion.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Peng Bao on March 30, 2017, 12:56:08 PM
Can we least face facts? Donald Trump is a true narcissistic sociopath. Can we at least agree on that?
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Patrick o on March 30, 2017, 07:22:56 PM
God gives Christians wisdom. If a pro abortion polictian. Like Hillary is running. We don't vote for them and help the genocide. Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for He shall save his people from their sins. Kjv it's a anti abortion verse. Also the left-wing is punishing Christian businesses and trying to get them to sin. We see that in gay and abortion things. Romans 1 verses 26 and 27 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is againts nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. Kjv the left-wing is putting men in Women's bathrooms. Deuteronomy 25:2 A woman shall not wear man's clothing, nor shall a man put on a woman's clothing; for whosoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God. Nasb just quote a bible verse on a Facebook news site. And see all the left-wing Democrats attack you. That party is extremely satanic.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Patrick o on March 30, 2017, 07:31:41 PM
Just the sin of abortion? Like its no big deal. Sickening its a genocide. What about the sin of trying to get Christians to disobey God? The gay agenda. What about the sin of evolution being pushed by left-wing Democrats? What about the sin of calling the death cult Islam a religion of peace. False peace with God the father only comes through God the Son. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.KJV
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Lieberman on May 17, 2017, 02:31:26 PM
According to a poll from Public Policy Polling released Tuesday, 53 percent of those surveyed said they prefer the current Affordable Care Act over the Republicans' American Health Care Act. Just 27percent said they prefer the AHCA over the ACA.

In terms of simple approval, only 25 percent of those in the poll supported the Republican AHCA while 52 percent opposed it.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on May 19, 2017, 06:52:44 PM
Can we least face facts? Donald Trump is a true narcissistic sociopath. Can we at least agree on that?

More than that, as I said before he was elected, he is the most dangerous man that this country has ever elected president. He thinks he's King and absolute ruler, rather than a public servant, and that's dangerous. He seems to have the mind of a child, doesn't understand simple logic, much less politics, the constitution or foreign policy. He's senile at best and mentally handicapped at worst. His narcississm and  personality disorder is the least of our problems, he's unstable and that's not even debatable anymore. And all the brain dead alleged Christians who voted for him have no one to blame but themselves for whatever happens. Stupidity cannot be placed at anyone else's doorstep but those who are stupid. A person's actions make him both responsible and heir of the consequences.

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: George on May 22, 2017, 08:10:53 AM
And all the brain dead alleged Christians who voted for him have no one to blame but themselves for whatever happens. Stupidity cannot be placed at anyone else's doorstep but those who are stupid. A person's actions make him both responsible and heir of the consequences.

Sounds like sour grapes to me.  :laugh: :smileyBounce: :laugh: :smileyBounce: :laugh:
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on May 22, 2017, 07:59:23 PM
Staunch Donald Trump booster Ann Coulter indicated on Sunday that she was poised to give up her support for the president, even before The Washington Post reported that he had leaked classified information to Russian officials.

“I think everyone who voted for him knew his personality was grotesque, it was the issues,” she told The Daily Caller. 

Now, making an argument about the issues is more difficult: “Boy, things don’t look good,” she said.

“I’m not very happy with what has happened so far,” Coulter said. “I guess we have to try to push him to keep his promises. But this isn’t North Korea
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on June 08, 2017, 09:42:19 AM
Donald J. Trump Is Unfit to be President, and Everyone Knows It
By Jesse Berney

How many times in the 19-and-a-half weeks since January 20th have you needed to remind yourself to breathe, to remain calm, not to panic? Do you regularly tell yourself it can't possibly be as bad as you think? Are you worried you're overreacting?
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You aren't. It's as bad as you think, and possibly worse. We've elected a president who isn't just unqualified for the job but who actively hurts the United States every day. Your palms should be clammy with fear.

I'm not just speaking to my fellow liberal snowflakes. I guarantee you the conservatives and Republicans who have been shaking their heads quietly as their president sticks his gnarled foot in his enormous mouth have started to feel the silent creep of fear crawl up the backs of their necks too.

It has gotten that bad. He is that bad. He's a toddler, but with less empathy and self-control.

Over the last few days, Trump has shown himself to be more unfit than ever before and made it clear he has no business remaining in the White House for even one additional day. Let's take a brief stroll through the Twitter feed of the current president of the United States.

"Do you notice we are not having a gun debate right now? That's because they used knives ands a truck." -Donald J. Trimp

Trump reacted to terrorist attacks with false bravado and genuine stupidity long before becoming president. But since January, optimists have hoped the enormity of his responsibilities would bring out his better nature. They didn't realize he doesn't have one.

Saturday's London Bridge attack in particular seems to have shorted something in the president's brain. The United Kingdom's strict gun control laws likely kept more dangerous weapons out of the hands of the terrorists, saving countless lives. (Meanwhile, in Orlando Monday, a law-abiding gun owner walked into his former workplace and murdered five people before killing himself.)

Trump then took to Twitter to attack the mayor of London – who is Muslim – taking out of context a quote urging citizens not to be alarmed by increased police presence.


"Pathetic excus by London mayorSadiq Sadiq Khan who had to think fast on his 'no reason to be alarmed' statement. MSN is working hard to sell it." -Donald J Trump

The president attacking the mayor of the largest city of our closest ally in the wake of a terror attack is just as horrific as you think it is. It is unthinking, unhinged and unkind. In a moment when any remotely normal human being would be offering sympathy and help, Trump has only bile to offer.

Just like you, the lawyers in the office of the solicitor general are probably reminding themselves not to panic on a daily basis. Five separate times this week, Trump tweeted the words "TRAVEL BAN" to describe the, well, travel bans he signed directed at Muslim-majority countries.

"That's right, we need a TRAVEL BAN for certain DANGEROUS countries, not some politically correct term that won't help us protect our people!" -Donald J. Trump

Trump's own spokesman has insisted the executive order is "not a travel ban" because calling it a "ban" is a legal disaster for the administration, which has failed so far in defending the policy in court. Trump's rhetoric only makes his lawyers' job more difficult, but he doesn't care. Instead of doing the prudent thing and not talking about an ongoing legal case, Trump is making it virtually impossible to win, choosing to throw a tantrum in public instead.

As late as Tuesday morning, Trump's Twitter unraveling continued. The decision by Saudi Arabia and other Middle East nations to cut ties with Qatar is, to understate matters, a diplomatic situation of extreme delicacy. Instead of handling the situation with even a modicum of common sense, Trump took sides on Twitter.

"During my recent trip to the Middle East I stated that there can no longer be funding of Radical Ideology. Leaders pointed to Qatar - look!" -Donald J. Trump

Attacking established adversaries like Iran or North Korea is one thing. Qatar hosts the largest American military base in the Middle East. Jumping into the fray to attack the nation is beyond stupid; it endangers the 11,000 members of the U.S. armed forces who live there.

I'm not going to speculate on the mental health of the president. I'm not qualified, and ultimately I'm not certain it matters whether these extraordinary lapses in judgment are the result of dementia, pathological narcissism, sociopathy or just a shitty personality. What matters is what the president of the United States is saying publicly, every day, and the extraordinary damage he is doing to the nation and its people.

There is only one sensible reaction to Trump's antics: for members of Congress and influential conservatives to demand he resign.

You and I both know he's not leaving the White House willingly, or at least not anytime soon. But this is no longer anything approaching a close call. The things the president says and writes, in public, are more than enough evidence to declare him grossly unfit for a job as a tollbooth operator, let alone as the most powerful person in the world.

Many of the Republicans defending him in Congress and on TV see his tweets and know he's crossed the line. They'll keep defending him; they're too afraid of primary elections in their own districts to take a strong line against Trump.

But they should reconsider. Whatever is causing Trump to unravel, it's putting the rest of us in serious danger. The continued spectacle of the Russia investigation is only fueling his descent. Why wait for it to unfold further? The best-case scenario is dragging the nation through a prolonged impeachment ordeal. If not, we have to wait until 2021 to replace him with a responsible and decent human being – assuming he doesn't get us all killed by then.

There's a better way. Start the discussion now. Call on Trump to step down. Hell, if you're a Republican, you end up with President Mike Pence, and you probably love Mike Pence. I can't stand the guy, but at least he won't start World War III with an ill-advised 4 a.m. tweet.

It would take enormous, sustained pressure from both sides of the aisle to convince Trump to resign the presidency. It's possible it would never work. The delicate bubble of ego that Trump keeps overinflated around himself never allows errors to reach his muddled mind. Stepping down would be admitting a failure on an enormous scale, and admitting failure is the one thing Trump won't do.

But whether you're a liberal or a conservative or somewhere in between, if you care about your country – really care about the greatness of America – it's clear Trump can no longer be president. And urging him to step down now is the only option we have to get him out quickly.

Besides, think of how much more golf he'd get to play.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on December 01, 2017, 11:08:34 AM
One shoe has dropped today, hw much would anyone bet that the Republican defense for these crimes is, "What about the Democrats wrongdoing?" Like when I was a child and my mom caught me doing something wrong and I would say, "but what about what my sister did? Didn't work as an excuse then, and it doesn't work as one now.

The news is that the Trump administration once again caught telling lies, and Trump himself is involved directing people to lie. Unbelievable! A sad day for the United states, but what could we expect from such a man as Trump is. The whole camp is a tissue of lies, deception, illegality and obstruction of justice. What a mess. But it's not like we haven't warned of the instability of Trump and the dishonesty of all those he placed around him.

Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History? Is there even any question?
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Lieberman on December 01, 2017, 11:50:05 AM
Breaking News! Trump administration lackey admits to lying to the FBI and agrees to testify that Trump lied and told him to contact the Russians. ..as if we all didn't already know.

Come On now. We all knew Trump was a Liar. Sure, certain people here (who shall remain nameless) exercises their right to not want anyone to use that language against their idol, but that's exactly what he is "according to the bible." Even most who blindly support him knows that he is the worst liar in Presidential history, they just won't admit it to us.

All this news (that came out today) does is give the right wing crazies that support him more ammunition that it's a conspiracy by liberals, not really a violation of U.S. laws  ::)

...Oh! You don't actually think this news will dissuade the far right wing radicals one bit, do you? They'll harden their hearts harder than Pharaoh's because that's how Satan works. He's the master of strong delusion. Truth cannot dissuade those who are blind to it. To them Trump is not a criminal, he's a great American Patriot whose only crime was that he loved this country.  :Say_what:

I almost spit up in my mouth.


Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Dan on December 01, 2017, 04:58:56 PM
Liar or not, he's still the President. Show some respect.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Diane Moody on December 01, 2017, 05:52:18 PM
The sword of Damocles is forever hanging over his head. So Sad.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Robert Powell on December 01, 2017, 06:48:28 PM
Whoever is guilty:

Amos 5:24
"But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream."

No get out of jail free card for any criminal.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: aquatic on December 02, 2017, 12:24:11 AM
CLARIFICATION of ABC News Special Report: Flynn prepared to testify that President-elect Donald Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians *during the transition* -- initially as a way to work together to fight ISIS in Syria, confidant now says. https://t.co/ewrkVZBTbc pic.twitter.com/GQAKwT1Eda

— ABC News (@ABC) December 2, 2017

Major mistake... Anyhow, politics is nothing but theatre. A distraction.

Didn't you guys say you would not focus so much on politics? I think you need to pray for God to set you free from this addiction. I'm praying for you, not only for you but this website, because anytime politics gets mentioned here the quality of this place takes a nosedive!


Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Lieberman on December 02, 2017, 03:28:53 AM

Major mistake... Anyhow, politics is nothing but theatre. A distraction.


You outta Know!

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The White House had claimed it was unaware of the substance of those conversations, but today’s court documents show Flynn was acting specifically at the direction of senior transition team officials.

On the same day President Obama imposed tough sanctions on Russian facilities in the U.S. for meddling in the election, the Russian ambassador called Flynn to talk about them. After that conversation, Flynn consulted with a senior transition team official who said the Trump “did not want Russia to escalate the situation,” so Flynn relayed the request directly to Kislyak.

The White House had claimed it was unaware of the substance of those conversations, but today’s court documents show Flynn was acting specifically at the direction of senior transition team officials. I'm assumiong that you can read. This administration is nothing but lies, on top of lies, on top of lies. But I digress, we all knew you would justify the administrations actions. Nothing new there.

Now that it's verified they deliberately lied and are caught, you want to parrot Trump that it's all fake news. I'll bet Flynn doesn't think it's fake news that under direction of this administration, he lied to the FBI.

News Flash, people admitting to crimes is not fake news, it's actual news. Unlike the nonsense Trump tweets knowing it's lies and saying it doesn't matter, which you have never once condemned. Excellent Christian.

I think we all know your integrity when it comes to the man on the throne in Washington.

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Diane Moody on December 02, 2017, 04:20:49 AM
Lieberman,
  I might have given some merit to what aquatic says if he ever popped in this forum with anything constructive in Christian discussions. But aquatic only shows up when this administration is found to be doing something untowardly like acting like a 6 year old, lying, race baiting, insulting, or to support Trump's lies about Russia, the CIA, Prosecutors or other intelligence agencies. Or when Trump is doing some other unchristian thing. And only to in some way to justify things that every Christian knows is unjustifiable. Be that sexual, political or criminal. Therefore, aquatic's words have no merit since they are obviously only to justify anything that the Trump administration says, does or did.

Maybe now we'll get to the bottom of the lies and find out who is really telling the truth about the collusion with the Russians. Let's not forget, the Russians are deliberately gassing children and bombing hospitals in Syria even now as we speak. And this is who Trump wants to get in bed with for monetary gain.

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I think we all know your integrity when it comes to the man on the throne in Washington.


My thoughts exactly. Trump said he could shoot someone in the middle of the street and his people would still vote for him. That is a sad state of affairs, but I think we all know this proves it not just words. Tony Warren calls such blind allegiance and delusion, spiritual insanity, and I have to concur. The spirit just isn't right.

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Melanie on December 02, 2017, 06:29:26 AM
I'll simply requote something a minister tweeted last week with regards to backing those we know are bad.

"The worst Christians in the world are good Christians who turn their heads when bad things happen."
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on December 02, 2017, 06:48:27 AM
Didn't you guys say you would not focus so much on politics?

Aqua, no one's going to stop addressing the lies of your king simply because you want them to. If you don't like it, go somewhere else where you can worship him free from the truth.


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I think you need to pray for God to set you free from this addiction.

I'm praying for Flynn for recognizing his sin and telling the truth, for this country to survive this man, and for this country's leaders, so that people like you don't succeed in tearing this nation apart for love of a spirit like Trump. I pray you cast down your idols and worship God rather than man.

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: ZeroCool on December 02, 2017, 09:46:27 AM
I'll simply requote something a minister tweeted last week with regards to backing those we know are bad.

"The worst Christians in the world are good Christians who turn their heads when bad things happen."

 :ditto:  :BibleRead:  :amen:
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Dan on December 02, 2017, 10:35:21 AM
This is the most liberal Christian forum I've ever been on. Does Trump lie? Yes. Guess what? Get over it! Politicians lie.

Let me tell you, I don't care if Trump lies every day of the week, contacted the Russians and was lewd to the queen mother of England. I will still support him and the Republicans over any Democrat or liberal. And so will most conservatives. Sometimes the end does justify the means. If his policies keep Israel safe, keep us safe from the muslin horde, keeps us free from being taxed out of existence and keeps us free from government robbing big business and emasculating white men, that's makes it all worth it. So work your mouth all you want, Republicans will stand by our President.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Lieberman on December 02, 2017, 11:22:58 AM
Believe me, we are not alone in assessing Trump as already the worst President in American history.  All with common sense know this is true.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-worst-president-obama-bush-689873

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Dan on December 02, 2017, 01:18:05 PM
Newsweek is fake news.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Chicago Bear on December 04, 2017, 03:16:22 AM
CLARIFICATION of ABC News Special Report: Flynn prepared to testify that President-elect Donald Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians *during the transition*

Major mistake...

Oh, OK. So General Flynn was a Rogue agent not doing what he was told, and the administration had nothing whatsoever to do with this?  ::)

 Are you also going to try and sell me some prime real estate in the Florida Swamp?  :Say_what:
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Herman Stowe on December 04, 2017, 01:27:12 PM
CLARIFICATION of ABC News Special Report: Flynn prepared to testify that President-elect Donald Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians *during the transition* -- initially as a way to work together to fight ISIS in Syria, confidant now says. https://t.co/ewrkVZBTbc pic.twitter.com/GQAKwT1Eda

— ABC News (@ABC) December 2, 2017

Major mistake...

Yes, mistake, as opposed to Fake News. Which is something deliberately made up to deceive people. That reporter for his careless error in not tripple checking to know and specifying the whole story was punished, took full responsibility for his error, was suspended and lost his significant pay. See they are held accountable for their mistakes.  As opposed to others who publish and tweet real fake news on a weekly basis, have no consequences and take no responsibility for the lies. You do see the difference don't you?
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on December 09, 2017, 07:02:36 AM
CLARIFICATION of ABC News Special Report:
— ABC News (@ABC) December 2, 2017

Yes, mistake, as opposed to Fake News.

Amazing that we have one person here who doesn't know the difference between a major mistake and fake news. A obvious mistake he pounces on with joy, Fake news and he is as silent about it as a church mouse.

Isaiah 29:15
"Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us"?

All church mice beware.

Number one Aquatic, a major mistake by the media is when a someone doesn't check their sources well enough or rushes to publish something they're not sure of, finds out it's a mistake, apologizes and accepts responsibility for their carelessness. FAKE NEWS is when a person deliberately posts or tweets something that everyone knows is not true, and when confronted on their lies, refuses to accept that it's not true and continues to justify it declaring the ends justify the means. You see the difference don't you? Or are you really and truly that blind?

Number two Aquatic, justifying one sneaky and unscrupulous act by saying someone else did the same thing some years ago is deceit. You have already been given the example of that being like your parent telling you you shouldn't steal, and your justification of it is that your friend Bobby was stealing too. What Christian does that? You are an adult I presume. Have you ever heard me justify abortion by saying because Democrats sanctioned it in their administration? Never! Because my mother taught me better when I was a child. It's called integrity. Someone else doing something wrong doesn't justify Trump doing it, or me excusing it because I am conservative. Sadly, that is your blind spot.


And Mr. Herman Stowe, does he see the difference? Probably not!  :'( But  :Goodpoint:  :BibleRead:
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Soldier on December 11, 2017, 06:33:44 AM


Calling A Lie, A Lie
by Dan Berry

Words matter.
And from the moment he became president, Donald J. Trump has unleashed so many of consequence that the public has barely had time to parse their full implication. Words about the dishonest media, the end of Obamacare, the construction of that border wall with Mexico — this is an abbreviated list, and he hasn’t even completed his first week in office.

Amid the verbal deluge, President Trump this week repeated an assertion he made shortly after his election: that millions of ballots cast illegally by undocumented immigrants cost him the popular vote. If true, this would suggest the wholesale corruption of American democracy.
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Not to worry: As far as anyone knows, the president’s assertion is akin to saying that millions of unicorns also voted illegally.
But such a baseless statement by a president challenged the news media to find the precise words to describe it. This will be a recurring challenge, given President Trump’s habit of speaking in sales-pitch hyperbole and his tendency to deride any less-than-flattering report as “fake news.”

The words needed to be exactly right. “And the language has a rich vocabulary for describing statements that fall short of the truth,” said Geoffrey Nunberg, a linguist who teaches at the University of California, Berkeley, School of Information. “They’re ‘baseless,’ they’re ‘bogus,’ they’re ‘lies,’ they’re ‘untruths.'

Rarely are these words, each with its own nuance, applied directly to something said by a president, though others have also dissembled (like Bill Clinton on whether he had sex with an intern). “This is the very unique situation that we find ourselves in as journalists and as a country,” said Joshua Benton, the director of the Nieman Journalism Lab at Harvard University. “We have an administration that seems to be asserting a right to its own facts and doesn’t seem to be able to produce evidence to back those claims.”

Still, carefully chosen words can capture that. “A whole vocabulary has come bubbling up that would not have been used five years ago,” Mr. Nunberg said in an interview. “People are going to have to sit down and decide: Are we going to want to go over the moral consequences of telling an untruth? The mere fact of it being untrue? Or the fact that it’s bogus, baseless or groundless?”

Some news organizations used words like “falsely” or “wrongly” — adverbs that tend to weaken the impact — in framing what the president said. Some used “with no evidence,” or “won’t provide any proof,” or “unverified claims,” or “repeats debunked claim.”

The New York Times, though, ultimately chose more muscular terminology, opting to use the word “lie” in the headline. After initially using the word “falsely,” it switched to “lie” online and then settled on “Meeting With Top Lawmakers, Trump Repeats an Election Lie” for Tuesday’s print edition.

People noticed, and debated its use. That is because, from the childhood schoolyard to the grave, this is a word neither used nor taken lightly. It stands apart from most other terms in the linguistic ballpark of untruths, including “falsehood,” which Chuck Todd, the host of “Meet the Press,” recently used to counter the Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway’s Orwellian phrase, “alternative facts.”

To say that someone has “lied,” an active verb, or has told a “lie,” a more passive, distancing noun, is to say that the person intended to deceive. In addition, Mr. Nunberg said, “a certain moral opprobrium attaches to it, a reprehensibility of motive.”

The question of intent has informed National Public Radio’s approach to covering Mr. Trump’s many disputable claims: that he saw thousands of people in Jersey City cheering as the World Trade Center collapsed on Sept. 11, for example, or that the news media had made up a feud between him and the country’s intelligence agencies, despite his own tweets likening those agencies to Nazi Germany.

On NPR’s “Morning Edition” on Wednesday, Mary Louise Kelly explained that she had looked up the definition of “lie” in the Oxford English Dictionary. “A false statement made with intent to deceive,” Ms. Kelly said. “Intent being the key word there. Without the ability to peer into Donald Trump’s head, I can’t tell you what his intent was. I can tell you what he said and how that squares, or doesn’t, with facts.”

Michael Oreskes, NPR’s senior president for news, supported the decision. In an article on the NPR website, Mr. Oreskes said that “the minute you start branding things with a word like ‘lie,’ you push people away from you.” The inherent risk, he suggested, was that news organizations would be seen as taking sides.

Editors at The Times also consulted dictionaries. And they had some prior experience with the matter, having approved the use of the L word once before in reference to Mr. Trump.

In September, when he grandly announced the findings of a yearslong so-called investigation into what nearly everyone else never doubted — “President Obama was born in the United States, period” — The Times published a Page 1 article with the headline “Trump Gives Up a Lie but Refuses to Repent.”

Dean Baquet, the executive editor of The Times, said that he learned of Mr. Trump’s latest comments in a text message from an editor on Monday night. After consulting with other top editors, he decided that the use of “lie” was warranted.

For Mr. Baquet, the question of intent was resolved, given that Mr. Trump had made the same assertion two months earlier through his preferred mode of communication, the tweet: “In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally.”

(Nota bene: The tweet actually contains what might be considered two untruths — or falsehoods, or erroneous assertions, or bogus claims — since Mr. Trump’s victory was no landslide, but among the closer elections in American history.)

Mr. Baquet said he fully understood the gravity of using the word “lie,” whether in reference to an average citizen or to the president of the United States. He emphasized that it should be used sparingly, partly because the term carries such negative connotations, and partly so that it does not lose potency.

“On the other hand, we should be letting people know in no uncertain terms that it’s untrue,” Mr. Baquet said, referring to the president’s assertion of a voter-fraud epidemic. “He repeated it without a single grain of evidence, and it’s a very powerful statement about the electoral system.”

Mr. Baquet said that emails from readers seemed split on the appropriateness of the word’s use. Meanwhile, Mr. Benton, of the Nieman Journalism Lab, applauded its use as a noun in the Times headline (“Trump Repeats an Election Lie”); in this construction, he said, “the lie can exist as a reality distinct from the speaker’s intention.”

Over all, the tension between the Trump administration and much of the mainstream media is — what’s the word?
Troubling, according to Sara Brady, a crisis-communications specialist based in Florida. She says that a complete breakdown of the already fractious relationship affects everyone.

“The media run the risk of being disrespectful to the president of the United States,” she said. “But the problem is: If he doesn’t get called out in some way, we as Americans are never going to know what’s true and what’s not.”
In other words: Words matter!

Good Article  :word:
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: aquatic on December 11, 2017, 02:40:09 PM
Philly,
Yes quiet as a mouse. Not because I lack an argument, but because arguing politics is futile. Especially with those who don't listen. The reason John doesn't reply anymore.

You said somewhere you would stop with the political talk or at the least tone it down. But a dog to its vomit....

Please give us some peace here?

Thanks
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Lieberman on December 11, 2017, 03:34:38 PM
Philly,
Yes quiet as a mouse. Not because I lack an argument, but because arguing politics is futile. Especially with those who don't listen. The reason John doesn't reply anymore.

John can speak for himself, but he doesn't because he was suspended for violating forum policy, and because of his racist behavior, which was reported and he was called out on and got his poor feelings hurt. His buddy in crime Fred was suspended as well, came back and was more racist than ever. He got banned (I hope for life). Philly Dawg was also suspended for his behavior. So stop talking what you don't know, like Trump and his fake news yaps and yaps to distract. You break the rules you face the consequences. You get your feelings hurt and want to leave because of it, then leave. You've shown your true colors and honest Christians don't need to hear that type of abuse and bigotry here. This isn't Alabama where we pine for the return of slavery. He was also anti-government and anti-baptist for some reason, despite the great Baptists we have here who faithfully teach the doctrines of grace. He did the right thing by removing himself from people who don't tolerate bigotry and race baiting. My friend Judy also removed herself as well because she didn't like our views on homosexuality. Doesn't mean we're going to stop posting them. So the message is, if you don't like the forum discussions or forum policy, or anyone who disagrees with you, go somewhere else where you can preach hate and division all day long. I'm sure that this forum will carry on as long as God wants it to, it's not held up by your lack of integrity, John's bigotry, Judy intolerance or Fred's new vision for Israel. So let's try and stay on Topic, which is Trump's historical numbers of people who think he is the worst President ever. In fact, if you search "Donald Trump" in the Urban Dictionary, the top definition is "America's worst president. Ever."

I rest my case, right on topic.



Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Tim Norton on December 11, 2017, 11:47:34 PM
You said somewhere you would stop with the political talk or at the least tone it down.
Thanks

Here's my two cents,
    I don't care "to much" about politics, but I do care about truth. And this is the first President where I see hardly any of it, and who lacks respect and integrity and continually indulges in such clear, cold-blooded, conscious, intentional lies on a historic level. So excuse us if that's quite disturbing in a leader to real Christians.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: aquatic on December 13, 2017, 03:33:48 PM
OK Lieberman,
Lets have it your way and start calling this place the politicalretreat.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Lieberman on December 13, 2017, 06:02:25 PM
OK Lieberman,
Lets have it your way and start calling this place the politicalretreat.

Since you're the only one constantly whining, I'd say we can call it a place for Aquatic to whine.

You want some cheese with that whine? (http://www.i2clipart.com/cliparts/9/a/6/8/clipart-wine-and-cheese-9a68.png) : )
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Blade on December 13, 2017, 07:58:11 PM
 :smileyBounce: L O L
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Red on December 14, 2017, 04:51:00 AM
I leave politics to others for the most part. I vote since it is a right and not condemned by scriptures, yet I DO NOT look to a man of the flesh to take care of me and my burdens~ I cast them upon the Lord as a believer should do.
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Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Only God knows, but I have my doubts since Bill Clinton was one of the presidents. Economically, he may very well be the best, as far as ruling his spirit, mainly his tongue, he certainly lacks wisdom. But, when I look on the other side of the aisle, (Democrats) I chose between the lesser evils. But, that being said, I refuse to be a strong follower of anyone, (especially politics) and there put my trust, since we are living in the latter days of the last days, we are getting mainly what we deserve, since we as a nation despise God's word the only source of true wisdom. 
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Diane Moody on December 14, 2017, 08:35:41 AM
Here's my two cents,
    I don't care "to much" about politics, but I do care about truth. And this is the first President where I see hardly any of it, and who lacks respect and integrity and continually indulges in such clear, cold-blooded, conscious, intentional lies on a historic level. So excuse us if that's quite disturbing in a leader to real Christians.

Tim,
   That's my sentiment as well. Don't throw sewage water on my head and tell me it's raining.  I think that the President got a rude awakening when the good people of Alabama stood up and said they weren't going to elect a obvious racist and child rapist to the senate no matter how much the President pushed them to do so.. But what was really disturbing is that 80 percent of evangelicals voted for him, which to me helps explain why so many people think that Christians are morally hypocritical. Because they are. Only 11% of the Christians on this forum say the President is doing a good job and they like him, while 42% say he is already the worst President in US history. A sentiment that I agree with. He's always comparing himself to Ronald Reagan and he couldn't stand anywhere near being the good man Ronald Reagan was. The country he has torn apart, and he has the worst approval rating of any President ever. That's saying a lot considering all the Presidents of late. That's because like you said, everyone knows he lacks honesty and integrity. Not to mention common sense. So you're not the only Christian that is disturbed by his behavior. I think all good Christians are, or they're not good Christians.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Manuel on January 12, 2018, 11:45:48 AM
Trump reminds me of a modern day Samson.

 And you remind me of.. Oh I better not, lest I get moderated again. Let's just say it's delusional of the highest degree to compare a vile man like Trump to God's spirit filled servants. Silly even.

 )cLaPpInGg( )cLaPpInGg( )cLaPpInGg( )cLaPpInGg( I couldn't agree more!

With Trump's latest vile comments yesterday, he rather reminds me of El Diablo. I will never get the adoration by some Christians of such a hate spirited man. It's mind boggling. Silly as you call it, but I think it more insidious. Not only is he unquestionably the worst President in US history, I personally think he is Satanic the way he deceives.

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Reformer on January 12, 2018, 01:16:23 PM
Ok, you guys have sucked me in again. I must say nothing surprises me with this man anymore. Let's face facts, with his constant and even compulsive lying this President is bereft of any sense of honor, dignity, acumen, wisdom, compassion or common sense.

And yes, it is unbelievable that some professing Christians continue to make excuses for his race-baiting behavior that is causing strife, and I believe in many ways they worship this vile man. But that's the world we live in today. Yes, the word Christian is relative, and that's unfortunate.

Now let me get back to Theology since this changes nothing  :'(
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: R. Anspach on January 12, 2018, 02:30:11 PM
You're right and I get it. I feel Society in general has lost integrity and gone down hill, and he's just a symptom of it. We need to preach the true gospel now more than ever.  :L-candle:
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Drew on January 12, 2018, 04:12:15 PM

With Trump's latest vile comments yesterday, he rather reminds me of El Diablo.

I take it from your writing and name that you are Spanish and therefore biased because Trump wants to keep America from becoming Mexico North. If you were a conservative Christian and not Spanish, you would be agreeing with him about these ____hole nations. Don't deny it.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Stan Pat on January 12, 2018, 05:53:46 PM

Typical Trump Christian  ::)
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on January 12, 2018, 07:47:25 PM

Trump is mentally unstable and only the craziest of professing Christians deny it.

https://twitter.com/i/moments/951905661549469696?t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email&iid=c5a853714cd9421a9eb060d95af42025&uid=777399181&nid=244+273027088
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Red on January 13, 2018, 04:00:43 AM
True patriotism!

Dear friend,
Allow me to say, that it excites both my wonder and concern, that a Christian minister such as yourself, should think it worth his while to attempt political reforms. When I look around upon the present state of the nation, such an attempt appears to me, to be no less vain and foolish, than it would be to paint the cabin—while the ship is sinking! Or to decorate the parlor—while the house is on fire!

When our Lord Jesus was upon earth, He refused to get involved in disputes or politics, "Friend, who appointed Me a judge or arbitrator over you?" Luke 12:14. "My kingdom is not of this world! If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight!" John 18:36. God's children belong to a kingdom which is not of this world; they are strangers and pilgrims upon earth, and a part of their Scriptural character is, that they are the "quiet in the land." Psalm 35:19.

Satan has many contrivances to amuse people, and to divert their thoughts from their real danger!

My dear sir, my prayer to God for you is—that He may induce you to employ the talents He has given you, in pointing out sin as the great cause and source of every existing evil; and to engage those who love and fear Him, (instead of wasting time in political speculations, for which very few of them are competent,) to sigh and cry for our abounding abominations, and to stand in the breach, by prayer, that God's wrath may yet be averted, and our national mercies prolonged! This, I think, is true patriotism—the best way in which people in private life may serve their country.

I consider the ungodly as saws and hammers in the hand of the Lord. So far as they are His instruments, they will succeed—but not an inch further! Their wrath shall praise Him, and be subservient to His designs!

If our lot is so cast that we can exercise our ministry free from stripes, fines, imprisonments, and death—it is more than the gospel has promised to us! If Christians were quiet when under the cruel governments of Nero and other wicked persecutors, when they were hunted down like wild beasts—then we ought to be not only quiet but very thankful now! It was then accounted an honor to suffer for Christ and the 'offence of the cross'!

Those are to be greatly pitied, who boast of their 'liberty'—and yet they do not consider that they are in the most deplorable bondage as the slaves of sin and Satan, under the curse of God's law and His eternal wrath! Oh! for a voice to reach their hearts, that they may know their true and dreadful state—and seek deliverance from their horrific thraldom! May you and I labor to direct them to the one thing, which is absolutely needful, and abundantly sufficient.

If I had the wisdom or influence to soothe the angry passions of mankind—I would gladly employ them! But I am a stranger and a pilgrim here in this world. My charter, my rights and my treasures, are all in heaven—and there my heart ought to be. In a very short time, I may be removed (and perhaps suddenly) into the unseen and eternal world—where all that now causes so much bustle upon earth—will be of no more importance to me—than the events which took place among the antediluvians!

In the hour, when death shall open the door into eternity—many things which now assume an 'air of importance', will be found as light and unsubstantial as a child's dream!

How crucial then, is it for me—to be found watching, with my lamp burning, diligently engaged in my proper calling! For the Lord has not called me to set governments right—but to preach the gospel, to proclaim the glory of His name, and to endeavor to win souls! "Let the dead bury their own dead—but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God!" Luke 9:60. Happy is that servant, whom his Master finds so doing, when He returns!

As you have forced me to respond—both duty and love have obliged me to be faithful and free in giving you my thoughts.

I recommend you to the care and blessing of the great Shepherd and Savior; and remain for His sake, your affectionate friend and brother,

John Newton~who wrote Amazing grace...sent this letter to a friend over two hundred years ago.

I agree with Mr. Newton~Red
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Simon on January 13, 2018, 04:20:00 AM
 )amen(  )Goodpoint(
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Puritan Heart on January 13, 2018, 05:04:14 AM
Greetings Red,

I too wholeheartedly agree with the sentiments of Mr Newton !!

Thank you for the post.

Alexandra
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Lieberman on January 14, 2018, 03:04:06 PM
And yes, it is unbelievable that some professing Christians continue to make excuses for his race-baiting behavior that is causing strife, and I believe in many ways they worship this vile man.

Come on Reformer, you know Aquatic, Fred and John will deny he said that, it's all fake news. You know that. It's a liberal plot by Obama and Hilary to let terrorists in. Trump's really a patriot and a great man He even has a spanish maid (sarcasm). 

In all seriousness, that's about what you would expect from the alt right. Sex, lies, videotape and more lies.

Proverb 19:22
"The desire of a man is his kindness: and a poor man is better than a liar."

Amen! Thank you God. As a Christian I am conpelled to agree with that. Can you believe that Republican Christians that were in the room said they "couldn't recall" if he said that.  :o Huh? As if that would be something you wouldn't recall. Liars one and all.


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Now let me get back to Theology since this changes nothing  :'(

 )Goodpoint( I suppose you are right because they're still not Christians.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on January 25, 2018, 12:00:04 PM

Exclusive: House Science Committee members say President Trump's lack of science advisers leaves us vulnerable to disaster

https://www.popsci.com/house-science-committee-wants-white-house-advisers?dom=rss-default&src=syn
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Red on January 26, 2018, 04:57:06 AM
Exclusive: House Science Committee members say President Trump's lack of science advisers leaves us vulnerable to disaster

https://www.popsci.com/house-science-committee-wants-white-house-advisers?dom=rss-default&src=syn
Then pray for him for it IS our duty, and we do not have the right to speak evil of those in authority~as much as I dislike President Obama, I highly respect the office of power and authority he held. Even Michael the archangel when contending with the devil did not bring a railing of accusation against him, (that's the devil, and could he ever!) but said The Lord rebuke thee. Always without exception when I see men railing on leaders in authority (so common in our day) I mark those people as men who have very little fear of God regardless of what they say with their lips, especially so when they also use the SAME lips to speak evil of men/women that God has put into authority for whatever reason he did....for sure HE DID.
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Exclusive: House Science Committee members say President Trump's lack of science advisers leaves us vulnerable to disaster
I assure you that NO world leaders have all the answer of all knowledge of science, etc. Never has been such a leader. THAT'S WHY they surround themselves with men who are experts in whatever they lack knowledge of. It's not that hard to do.  We all know one that has ALL perfect knowledge of all things..his name is Jehovah, his title is The GOD of Creation of ALL things~pray to him for our leaders to guide them so that we can live a life of godliness and safety with peace that we may better serve Him.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on January 26, 2018, 05:38:44 AM
White House Spent Months Denying That Trump Considered Firing Mueller - ALL LIES!

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/white-house-denials-trump-mueller-firing_us_5a6a8f2fe4b01fbbefb06191
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on January 26, 2018, 05:50:04 AM
I assure you that NO world leaders have all the answer of all knowledge of science, etc. Never has been such a leader. THAT'S WHY they surround themselves with men who are experts in whatever they lack knowledge of.

Wow! Clearly, you missed the point, as all right wing apologists do. That is the point. He has not surrounded himself with men who are experts in whatever he lacks knowledge of. Clearly you didn't even read the article. He refuses to  surround himself with any experts in whatever he lacks knowledge of. WOW!

This is the same problem I have with those who won't accept the truth of scripture. They're so busy making excuses for and defending their own doctrines that they are blind to the wickedness of doing so. Like the evangelicals who have prostituted themselves and the gospel for a bowl of porridge from Trump. And for this they think God is pleased with them. They can't see the forest for the trees. Like supporting a Hitler because he goes to church. That's ridiculous and an offense to God.

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: ZeroCool on January 26, 2018, 06:55:28 AM
 :iagree:
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Red on January 26, 2018, 11:29:25 AM
Wow! Clearly, you missed the point, as all right wing apologists do.
I follow Politics very little, just enough to know a little of what is going on, but no more. But, I do read the word of God and it tells me my duty as a child of God toward those in authority.
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He has not surrounded himself with men who are experts in whatever he lacks knowledge of.
Oh, I know according to you and others he has not surrounded himself with men and women like you believe and think!
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Clearly you didn't even read the article.
I read enough, and maybe more than I should have. That was another man's opinion which means very little. There are many people who do not like our President and most of them super liberals who hate God, his word and his people~Hollywood, sodomites, etc.
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This is the same problem I have with those who won't accept the truth of scripture.
What does this have to do with Trump, really? You flip the subject. It really is not about you or me, but what is our duty toward those in authority, a point you did not address, wonder why? I do not like everything about President Trump, but for now, he is our President and we owe him honor and respect and our prayers.
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They're so busy making excuses for and defending their own doctrines
Well now, are you saying that you do not do this?
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Like the evangelicals who have prostituted themselves and the gospel for a bowl of porridge from Trump.
Agreed that this practice has been here since the beginning, and those doing that have their reward NOW. But, this still has nothing to do with OUR duty as a child of God~we still must honor and pray for such men and be afraid with godly fear of speaking evil of such men.
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That's ridiculous and an offense to God.
What truly is an offense is speaking evil and disrespecting those in authority..this is truly an offense to the God of heaven coming from those men who boast of having the truth.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Reformer on January 28, 2018, 09:07:26 AM
Oh, I know according to you and others he has not surrounded himself with men and women like you believe and think!

He hasn't even filled the position at all, so you don't know what you are talking about.


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There are many people who do not like our President and most of them super liberals who hate God, his word and his people

Sorry, that's the evangelical narrative, but it's not true. I am neither liberal, hate God or hate his people, and I think the behavior and lack of professionalism that we are seeing in the office of President is a disgrace. This is based not on hate, but on Christian principles which I hold, and which Every Christian should hold. But I pray for him, wish him wisdom and knowledge. I do not stick my head in the sand or worship him as the savior of America as unfortunately many others do.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Eugene Coburn on January 28, 2018, 08:47:11 PM
Sorry, that's the evangelical narrative, but it's not true. I am neither liberal, hate God or hate his people, and I think the behavior and lack of professionalism that we are seeing in the office of President is a disgrace. This is based not on hate, but on Christian principles which I hold, and which Every Christian should hold. But I pray for him, wish him wisdom and knowledge. I do not stick my head in the sand or worship him as the savior of America as unfortunately many others do.

What is this a new thing where if you disagree with Trump's behavior, you're automatically a liberal? This is the fourth time I've heard that charge in this forum. It makes no sense to me. Aren't we as Christians supposed to be against such unchristian behavior? I've never seen, read or heard of a American President being so over the top despicable, hateful, combative, childish, divisive, antagonistic and vain. So that makes me a liberal because I know that to be true? Christians should get a grip. We're not talking about God here, he's just a man. And not a good one.

I was going to vote maybe, but seeing the effect he's having on Christians, I'm voting yes.  People are more and more starting to act up just like he does. I have to think it's because he gets away with it. And I voted Republican. If he was running again, no way. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Red on January 29, 2018, 06:13:57 AM
You men can win this battle, for it is NOT worth battling over. I did not say every person that voted for Mr. Trump was liberal, but those are the MAIN supporters of the Democratic party. I ONLY voted for the lesser evils in my PO. I am certainly not a lover of DT for many reasons but will honor and respect and pray for him, and will speak not evil of him. I did not vote for a Sunday School teacher, but for the best leader put forth before us, period. He was NOT my first choice, or even close.

I will never vote for the Democratic party for the following reason, and this is just a few: Their full support of homosexuality, abortion, same-sex marriage, outright law breaking, lying is just the beginning of their many abominations before God. Genital mutilation for men and women with a mental disorder.  Not to mention they booed God at their convention~they leave God's name out of most all their speeches. The list is long.

This world is NOT my home I am just passing through, so I refuse to get too involved, no more than I need to. I truly do not like either one, but, will support and honour whoever is there even if it would have been Hillary, and that's very hard for me to say, but before God, I would, for I'm JUST PASSING through their land .

I have no doubt that good people voted both sides, but the majority of evil and liberal people and voted Democratic party. Mostly good and honest and God fearing people voted Republican...this DOES NOT mean that people who voted Republican are godly and honest, just God's elect are, for the most part, found among that party. At least this is true in the south from where I live. This cannot be denied. I'm finished talking about a subject that cannot produce righteousness among God's elect.




Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Reformer on January 29, 2018, 09:04:53 AM
Just for the record, for those keeping track, I didn't mention a word about any of this. I wasn't talking about voting, I wasn't talking about Democrats, I wasn't talking about liberals, I wasn't talking about same sex marriage, abortion or homosexuality or any of the other wild charges thrown in. I was talking about one man, the  worst President in U.S. History? The Topic of this thread. But this is typical, is it not? If your against the behavior of Trump, you're automatically lumped in with those against God, Country and God knows what else. This is the insanity that is sweeping the churches today. The great irrational behavior that has nothing to do with interpretation, God or morality. Just blind anger and offense at anyone daring to say something is wrong in the church. The same blind anger without reason that caused the congregation 2000 years ago to want Christ killed. And the thing is, people today still don't recognize it for what it is.

Red, I don't separate people into Democrats and Republicans, Blacks and whites, Conservatives and Liberals, Jews and Gentiles, Baptists and Presbyterians, Capitalist and Communists, Good and Bad, and all the other ways the church manages to get itself tangled in their webs. I look at people as all sinners, desperately wicked, gone astray from the womb as soon as they are born speaking lies. Unless they are saved, they are all different sides of the same coin. You may think one side is better, but unsaved is unsaved, whether Trump or Obama. To think one is better than the other is delusional. Spiritual delusion if one is a Christian and thinks that. It's like saying the right side of hell is better than the left. No such truth.







Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Lieberman on January 31, 2018, 02:31:46 AM
Awesome Response To the President's Rhetoric
Worth Hearing for Liberals Honest Christians
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Rich Aikers on January 31, 2018, 04:36:50 AM
Awesome Response To the President's Rhetoric
Worth Hearing for Liberals Honest Christians

 )cLaPpInGg( Now that is a real Kentucky Christian with common sense Christ like behavior, something evangelicals will never know because their eye is single on themselves and justification. He should have run for President instead of that Hilary. Why is it that good people never run for office?

Good post Lieberman, I agree!
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Reformer on February 01, 2018, 07:38:39 AM
 :iagree:
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Soldier on February 01, 2018, 08:02:31 AM
Just for the record, for those keeping track, I didn't mention a word about any of this. I wasn't talking about voting, I wasn't talking about Democrats, I wasn't talking about liberals, I wasn't talking about same sex marriage, abortion or homosexuality or any of the other wild charges thrown in. I was talking about one man, the  worst President in U.S. History?

Red, I don't separate people into Democrats and Republicans, Blacks and whites, Conservatives and Liberals, Jews and Gentiles, Baptists and Presbyterians, Capitalist and Communists, Good and Bad, and all the other ways the church manages to get itself tangled in their webs. I look at people as all sinners, desperately wicked, gone astray from the womb as soon as they are born speaking lies. Unless they are saved, they are all different sides of the same coin. You may think one side is better, but unsaved is unsaved, whether Trump or Obama. To think one is better than the other is delusional. Spiritual delusion if one is a Christian and thinks that. It's like saying the right side of hell is better than the left. No such truth.

  )amen( As a veteran and a great supporter of our military, conservative policies and honest representation in government, I agree with this sentiment 100 percent. Sin is sin, there is no better sin when one is a Republican. God says neither murders nor fornicators shall inherit the kingdom of heaven. Not one gets a pass because they're a Republican President. Check your bias at the door. The politics of division is not good for the country, it is not what Christians should be a part of, and it is not what a President should continually be encouraging to keep his base happy. I don't think our President understands it's not a dictatorship, there are checks and balances, how democracy works or his responsibility to all the citizens of this country. I didn't go to war and fight for freedom so that we could have a totalitarian dictatorship here. I back him as President, I do not condone whatever he does, which seems to be what some Christians are intent on doing.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Dan on February 01, 2018, 09:29:31 AM
Soldier, Thank you for your service, but we can do without your liberal thinking, which is the reason we are in this mess in the first place. As for Trump, we didn't elect a saint that has to follow all the rules of Christians. 
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Drew on February 01, 2018, 01:04:29 PM
The politics of division is not good for the country, it is not what Christians should be a part of, and it is not what a President should continually be encouraging to keep his base happy. I don't think our President understands it's not a dictatorship, there are checks and balances, how democracy works or his responsibility to all the citizens of this country. I didn't go to war and fight for freedom so that we could have a totalitarian dictatorship here.

Look, we don't know if you are a veteran or not. But we do know that if you can't get behind the President, maybe you'd be better suited to live in Europe, Canada or France. It's our duty as Christians to support the President and to support Israel, right or wrong.  God's word says so. America, love it or leave it.

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Erik Diamond on February 01, 2018, 03:34:03 PM
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But we do know that if you can't get behind the President, maybe you'd be better suited to live in Europe, Canada or France.

People will say the same thing about their leader in these countries. So what?  I am sure that many Americans would agree with me that we can live in United States and be a productive citizen without publicly support president's agenda. 

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It's our duty as Christians to support the President and to support Israel, right or wrong.  God's word says so. 

I do not think so.  No where in Scripture that requires us to back President on supporting national Israel out of all nations just to satisfy your Dispensationalism Jewish fables.


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America, love it or leave it.

This is a free and democracy country where we have a right as a citizen to vote to replace president or law every four years as we see fit.  Sometimes, we liked the president. Sometimes we don't.  If he is elected president, we will pray for him, without the need to support his agenda knowing that he won't last forever.  Thanks God for term limit.  No need to move to another country, unless the Lord calls me to serve his purpose in His Kingdom. 

Look, I do not pay attention to political circus or drama.  I am called as Christian to have that fervent desire in our hearts to do the will of God and to keep (guard against loss) the Words of God.  And it is NOT about politicizing Christianity.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Dan on February 07, 2018, 11:35:48 AM
People will say the same thing about their leader in these countries. So what?  I am sure that many Americans would agree with me that we can live in United States and be a productive citizen without publicly support president's agenda. 

No you can't Erik. The Bible says if you live in this country you must support our President and to support the holy land and Israelites, whether he's right or wrong. If you don't like that, leave this country for a better one.


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I do not think so.  No where in Scripture that requires us to back President on supporting national Israel out of all nations just to satisfy your Dispensationalism Jewish fables.

 "Ezekiel 28:25 Thus saith the Lord GOD; When I shall have gathered the house of Israel from the people among whom they are scattered, and shall be sanctified in them in the sight of the heathen, then shall they dwell in their land that I have given to my servant Jacob".

You want to keep Israel out of her land and that's your downfall.


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  And it is NOT about politicizing Christianity.

In this liberal country, if we're not working conservative politics, we're not being Christian.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Erik Diamond on February 07, 2018, 12:15:43 PM
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The Bible says if you live in this country you must support our President and to support the holy land and Israelites, whether he's right or wrong. If you don't like that, leave this country for a better one.

The Bible says this? Show us the chapter and verses, please.

Our great commission is to preach the gospel to every creature, regardless of nations we live in.  You can't change the world through politics (that's a liberal philosophy), you can only bring the light to the world and sovereign God will do as He sees fit--which is not to bring about supporting a pile of dirt in the Middle East.  That is a pipe dream of the Dispensationalism. 

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"Ezekiel 28:25 Thus saith the Lord GOD; When I shall have gathered the house of Israel from the people among whom they are scattered, and shall be sanctified in them in the sight of the heathen, then shall they dwell in their land that I have given to my servant Jacob".

You want to keep Israel out of her land and that's your downfall.

Wrong Israel. 

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In this liberal country, if we're not working conservative politics, we're not being Christian.

You don't get it. Our job is to preach the gospel as a witness to the people of the world, NOT of righteous government in the world, but the righteous government of Christ which is the Kingdom of Heaven. Not the United States of America.

(Isa 9:6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
(Isa 9:7)  Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

God is not talking about national government or Capitol Hill upon His shoulder.  No where in the Scripture that we should make the governments righteous. No, our job is to keeping the church righteous by obedience and set apart from the world AND governments! 

I fear government nor our president. I am not fighting the power, but rather fighting the good fight! As an Americans, all we do to vote, and allow God do the rest. That is it.  Focus on the great commission by witnessing the Gospel as God wants you to do.  God NEVER said that if you don't like the leaders, should leave the country, unless you can provide us a chapter and verse where God said this.   I am not leaving America just because I do not agree with president agenda or whatever,  since we ALL are as foreigners in a strange land, as pilgrims just passing through.  God put me where He wants me to be, therefore, the political or national borders doesn't matter!  You are too concerned about national citizenship and rights "as if" anyone, even Christian brethren, who don't agree with you or the leader should leave the country. Your thinking is obviously wrong and do not represent the Kingdom of God.   
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Dan on February 08, 2018, 09:09:50 AM
Show you the scripture? I gave you scripture and all you say is wrong Israel. There's only one Israel.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Erik Diamond on February 08, 2018, 07:47:36 PM
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Show you the scripture? I gave you scripture and all you say is wrong Israel.

No. I did not ask about Israel only.  Read again on what you wrote, note the red bold that you claimed the "bible says"

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The Bible says if you live in this country you must support our President and to support the holy land and Israelites, whether he's right or wrong. If you don't like that, leave this country for a better one.

Show us the chapter and verse that actually says what you wrote. Ezekiel 28:25 is not a proof with what you said.

Erik
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Manuel on February 10, 2018, 11:41:14 AM
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No, I Like What He's Doing...

You like what el diablo does?  For a Christian, that doesn't make much sense to me. I could see if he spoke with honesty, was building churches, practicing morality, was a defender of truth, brought people together, represented Christ or had some integrity, but for a Christian to actually like what this man is doing to this country is mind boggling. Makes me wonder what the world is coming to.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Drew on February 11, 2018, 06:40:19 AM
He may go down as being the greatest President we've ever had.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Dan on February 15, 2018, 06:30:06 PM
He may go down as being the greatest President we've ever had.

  )Goodpoint(   By cutting my taxes, stopping the illegal influx of Mexicans and supporting Israel, he's already half way there.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on February 16, 2018, 03:48:09 AM
The fish rots from the head down. All this chaos, lack of leadership, division, tribalism, lack of intellect, random firings, continual resignations, inner turmoil, the NRA buying elections, and on and on, starts in the white house and ends in the white house. A President should at the very least not be senile and unfortunately this is what we have. Everyone leaving the white house says it's 10 times worse and more chaotic than is reported and Trump's unreasonableness getting worse and worse. Forget about him being the worst President in U.S. history, he's already achieved that. This President could be a disaster for America.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on May 03, 2018, 11:58:21 AM
Everytime I turn on the TV it's more lies and distortions of the truth. I am so sick of this man pretending to be a Christian and deceiving people who call themselves Christians, but more I am so sick of Zionist evangelicals and many Calvinist Christians blindly supporting this morally corrupt and contemptible man as some sort of God-send to the Christian community. I find it hard to reconcile their behavior with being a Christian. Help me out here. Trump lies as much as Satan does and Christians justify all of them by saying take what he says with a grain of salt, or by calling them alternate facts, or saying it's no big deal because he's just exaggerating, or it's just artistic license. One theologian wrote that it's fine that he tells little white lies because our enemies tell bigger lies. Why would a Christian feel that way?

Psalm 40:4 Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.

These evangelicals remind me of the Catholic Priests, the Jewish Priests, the Reformed Crusaders and all other "FAKE" Christians who give Christ a bad name by their self righteousness in thinking the ends justifies the means. It's so bad that Christians have sunk to this level of disgracefulness and disreputable dishonorableness in supporting his corruption, unscrupulous behavior and dishonesty.

My question is, is the true church that once defended the faith dead?

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Susan on May 03, 2018, 04:31:47 PM
My question is, is the true church that once defended the faith dead?

The true church cannot ever die. But I think I know what you mean. I do believe that the corporate church that was once a true church, is dead. I can see no life in it at all. From Florida to Maine, nothing. I don't know about the west coast but we very well may be living in the time of the final apostasy. This old chick has never seen anything like it, and I've seen a lot.

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: aquatic on May 03, 2018, 07:47:51 PM
Everytime I turn on the TV it's more lies and distortions of the truth.

Television and media have been telling lies and distorting truth since its inception. Propaganda for the masses. Getting rid of your tv will be one of the best decisions you make.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Matrix on May 03, 2018, 10:48:07 PM
One theologian wrote that it's fine that he tells little white lies because our enemies tell bigger lies. Why would a Christian feel that way?

My guess? Because he's not Christian. Just like the man he's lauding.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: matt205 on May 04, 2018, 03:04:07 AM
It's funny, I used to like Trump and thought that he'd be different from other politicians who only wanted to line their pockets. I thought he'd tell the truth about the swamp that is Washington D.C., but now I realize he's replaced one stinking swamp with another stinking swamp. Yes, he's not a moral man but I thought at least he would be honest and tell the truth. Boy was I wrong. The people he's put in office are incompetent, the constant changing and resignations are disturbing, he wants only yes men around him and worst of all I can't believe him anymore than I could believe Obama, probably less. Now I find out he's paid off a whore when he said he knew nothing about it and is in bed with Putin, our country's sworn enemy.

Politics Stinks!
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Terry on May 04, 2018, 04:57:51 PM
The people he's put in office are incompetent, the constant changing and resignations are disturbing, he wants only yes men around him and worst of all I can't believe him anymore than I could believe Obama, probably less. Now I find out he's paid off a whore when he said he knew nothing about it

And you believed him?  )laugh(

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. You know how you can tell Trump is lying? His lips are moving.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: bloodstone on May 06, 2018, 10:47:20 AM
I'm more upset with alleged Christians than with President Trump. Trump is a reprobate so what would you expect. The same as any other Reprobate. But Christians are supposed to know better, so they have the greater judgment from God from my reading of scripture.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Trevor on May 06, 2018, 11:25:19 AM
A good read:
Trump and a Post-Truth World
Book by Ken Wilber

Because the deliberate attention to our own faults of reasoning requires vigilance, people need to be motivated to put in the hard work needed. The solution that has worked well so far is to maintain social norms by which we agree to be accountable to evidence and other elements of rational argumentation. This in turn has given us reason to rein in our more instinctive, biased patterns of reasoning.

The post-truth crisis is none other than the breakdown of these norms exacerbated by dishonest people claiming to be Christian, like Donald Trump.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: George on May 06, 2018, 02:38:15 PM
The Liberal Amillennialists strike again. Trump is more popular than ever and very well may end up being the best President we've ever had. Christians back Trump because a half moral Christian is better than a non moral liberal Democrat. He's curbed the danger in Iran, he's gave us tax cuts, he's made liberal Republicans swamp tenders resign, he's brought non-politically correct honesty back to politics, and he's working on the North Korean problem. I'd say he's going to be reelected in a landslide.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on May 09, 2018, 12:03:25 PM
Stelter to Trump: Enough with the Lies

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: William B on May 09, 2018, 04:26:44 PM

You know what Kellyanne Conway said :)

  Besides, he doesn't lie, he just can't remember the truth ;)
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Lieberman on May 10, 2018, 07:47:59 AM
It's not really funny. That video says people are smart enough, but I'm not sure that is true that people are smart enough to know what a lie is. Certainly not the alt right evangelicals who continue to show Christian support of his lies and deceit. Unless they aren't Christian.

The question I have is, is it Journalists Job to point out the lies? I'm not really sure.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: ZeroCool on May 11, 2018, 09:36:58 AM
The question I have is, is it Journalists Job to point out the lies? I'm not really sure.

Not Sure?  If not journalists, then who? That would leave everyone blind to what's really going on. Like in Russia and China and North Korea. Thank God for journalists. The only people who don't like Journalists are fascists and despots or dictators.

And Philly, that was a very interesting video.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Dan on May 11, 2018, 12:04:45 PM
And Philly, that was a very interesting video.


Not reallty, it's just repeating the same old lines. News flash, we don't care about the lies. We care about the country.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: ZeroCool on May 12, 2018, 08:38:35 PM
News flash, we don't care about the lies. We care about the country.

How can you care about the country and not care about the lies? Better yet, how can you be Christian and not care about the lies?
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Manuel on May 13, 2018, 02:49:40 PM
News flash, we don't care about the lies. We care about the country.

How can you care about the country and not care about the lies? Better yet, how can you be Christian and not care about the lies?

 )amen( Let's face facts, just as El Diablo, Trump is waging a war against truth and the worst evangelicals are fighting alongside of him rather than against his war. Any truth that contradicts his lies, is demonized as fake news. Evangelicals like Dan and these preachers Trump keeps parading on stage with him, I think are at war with God. They don't know it, but their weapons of war are carnal, rather than spiritual as it is supposed to be. When Dan, and also those like him who say they don't care about the lies, I think they show their true colors as far as being Christian.  Their excuse is that everyone lies. Personally, I have never, ever seen any politician lie like Trump, be as immoral as Trump, as arrogant, rude, crude, self loving, as greedy or that has a cult of personality that worships him as if he were a god. It's sickening because that is the essence of antichrist. A liar and false god who evangelicals worship. Connect the dots. Follow the money. Face the facts. Like John the Baptist, be a Christian.

"MarK 6:18 For John had said unto Herod, It is not lawful for thee to have thy brother's wife."


Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Lieberman on May 14, 2018, 10:34:49 AM
)amen( Let's face facts, just as El Diablo, Trump is waging a war against truth and the worst evangelicals are fighting alongside of him rather than against his war. Any truth that contradicts his lies, is demonized as fake news. Evangelicals like Dan and these preachers Trump keeps parading on stage with him, I think are at war with God.

Democracy dies in the darkness. Trump wants to keep people in darkness, and he uses lies and attacks journalists who uncover the lies in order to do so.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on May 16, 2018, 03:34:51 PM

President Trump discloses Stormy Daniels payment debt on financial form
 NBC News
JONATHAN ALLEN
May 16th 2018 2:10PM

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump reported that he reimbursed personal attorney Michael Cohen for costs apparently incurred in paying adult film star Stormy Daniels for a non-disclosure agreement, according to a federally required annual financial disclosure form released by the Office of Government Ethics Wednesday.

"In the interest of transparency, while not required to be disclosed as 'reportable liabilities' ... in 2016 expenses were incurred by one of Donald J. Trump's attorneys, Michael Cohen," a note at the bottom of Page 45 of the 92-page report states. "Mr. Cohen sought reimbursement of those expenses and Mr. Trump fully reimbursed Cohen in 2017. The category of value would be $100,001 to $250,000 and the interest rate would be zero."

The acting director of OGE, David J. Apol, concluded that Trump's report "meets the disclosure requirements" — the outside group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington had filed a complaint that Trump's 2017 form had improperly omitted a "loan" from Cohen — but noted that making that debt public "is required."

Federal law requires White House officials, including the president, to "report liabilities owed to any creditor that exceeded $10,000 at any time during the reporting period." It is illegal to "knowingly and willfully" omit or falsify information on disclosure forms, a crime punishable by a fine and up to one year in prison

Last year, Trump did not disclose any debts to Cohen, who executed a payment of $130,000 to Clifford less than two weeks before the 2016 presidential election. Trump, who has denied having a sexual relationship with Daniels, wrote on Twitter, reversing an earlier statement that he was unaware of the payment. Trump confidant and adviser Rudy Giuliani described the transaction by saying money was "funneled through" Cohen's law firm.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on July 06, 2018, 05:42:00 AM

Scott Pruitt. Another Trump apointed Skunk bites the Dust by Trump's own hand. What a liar!

 Who's next?
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on July 09, 2018, 02:52:22 AM

Trump admin favored corporations in opposing breastfeeding resolution: report

Rebecca Shapiro
Jul 8th 2018 8:48PM


President Donald Trump’s administration put the interests of corporations over efforts to protect children’s nutrition earlier this year when officials opposed a breastfeeding resolution that was widely considered noncontroversial, The New York Times reported Sunday.

The resolution presented in May at the World Health Assembly was based on decades of scientific research, according to the Times. It said breastmilk is healthiest for children and that countries should prevent false or misleading marketing of substitutes.

But U.S. officials tried to remove language from the resolution that called on governments to “protect, promote and support breastfeeding,” according to reporter Andrew Jacobs. Jacobs said he had spoken with a dozen people from several countries who participated in the negotiations.

Limiting inaccurate infant formula marketing is most necessary in some of the poorest parts of the world, according to a Guardian investigation published earlier this year in partnership with the international nongovernmental organization Save the Children. Infant formula companies “use aggressive, clandestine and often illegal methods to target mothers in the poorest parts of the world to encourage them to choose powdered milk over breastfeeding,” the report said.

Investigators looked at the Phillippines in particular and reported that formula companies, including Nestlé, Abbott, Mead Johnson and Wyeth (now owned by Nestlé), targeted doctors, nurses, midwives and new mothers by creating “infant care” pamphlets promoting formula for distribution in hospitals and using Facebook advertising to reach potential customers. The companies denied any wrongdoing.

“At the same time, powerful lobby groups have been working to curtail government legislation regulating formula marketing and promotion, in the Philippines and across the world,” the Guardian reported.

The U.S. threatened to withdraw military aid and engage in punitive trade tactics with Ecuador after it introduced the breastfeeding resolution at the World Health Assembly, the Times reported. Other countries appeared hesitant to back the resolution after seeing the U.S. threaten Ecuador.

But the U.S. reportedly did not object when Russia stepped in to support the resolution, and it was approved. However, the U.S. was successful in removing language that said the World Health Organization would support countries trying to stop “inappropriate promotion of foods for infants and young children.”


The U.S. has long used trade policy to prioritize domestic corporations, particularly pharmaceutical companies, at the expense of global health efforts. Delegates from other nations were reportedly “stunned” to find Trump officials using trade threats to oppose a breastfeeding resolution.

A Department of Health and Human Services spokesperson told the Times that the effort was to prevent “unnecessary hurdles” for mothers seeking to feed their children. However, critics saw the move as another example of the Trump administration favoring corporations over public interests.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on July 09, 2018, 02:55:25 AM
Not reallty, it's just repeating the same old lines. News flash, we don't care about the lies. We care about the country.

News Flash. If you don't care about the lies, you don't care about the country.  You're just lying to yourself. Those who don't care about lies are of lies.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Drew on July 09, 2018, 07:34:16 AM
How can you be a Calvinist and hate trump. You liberals can't stand that you're losing and the country supports what Trump is doing. I know you liberals cry about his corporate policies, but the truth is, what's good for corporate America is good for America in general. I'm so sick of the liberal fake news. Fox is the only News Network that will tell it like it is. If you don't like this country, leave it!
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on July 09, 2018, 02:18:57 PM
North Korean defector: Kim Jong Un 'is a terrorist'
Gene Kim, Jennifer Osaki and Matthew Stuart Jun. 29, 2018, 12:12 PM

The whole world watched as president Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un held a summit in Singapore on June 12, 2018. A North Korean defector and human rights activist, Yeonmi Park, shared her opinion on the historic meeting. The following is a transcript of the video.

Yeonmi Park: What kind of leader of free world is going to meet a dictator as worse as Hitler saying "It's an honor to meet you."

Yeonmi Park defected from N. Korea at the age of 13. She is now a human rights advocate.

Park: I think what happened in this summit between Kim Jong Un and Trump, it is unimaginable. It is almost, I feel like, we are living in an alternative reality.

President Trump and N. Korean leader Kim held a historic summit in Singapore on June 12.

Donald Trump: Most importantly, I want to thank Chairman Kim for taking the first bold step toward a bright new future for his people.

Park: What do you mean that you… praise Kim Jong Un for being a tough leader? I mean, you were saying how impressed he ran the concentration camp. Like he said like "I'm impressed how Kim Jong Un did that at the age of 26 when he got the power." I mean, yeah, he killed his own uncle, he killed his... he poisoned his own brother. When did that thing become a subject of praise?

Trump: Well he is very talented. Anybody that takes over a situation like he did at 26 years of age and is able to run it and run it tough. I don't say he was nice or say anything about it. He ran it, very few people at that age. You can take 1 out of 10,000 probably couldn't do it.

Park: Kim Jong Un is not the leader of North Korea. He's not democratically elected by us. Kim Jong Un is not representing who we are. He got his throne through his father dictator. And he's a terrorist. He's terrorizing us.

Trump: His country does love him. His people, you see, the fervor… they have a great fervor. They're gonna put it together, and I think they're gonna end up with a very strong country.

Park: People in North Korea don't love him. If we don't show our loyalty, we are gonna get killed. And that is not something you should be praising for. You should be crying for North Korean people. And you should try to free these people. So, I think I don't ever want, even further on from now on, other media or other people joining this Trump side and legitimizing this dictator and empowering him because we have to hold this dictator accountable for the crimes that he's committing against humanity. And he needs to set his people free from the oppression. So, I think this is another wake-up call for all of us who live in this free world that we cannot praise a dictator who kills people. That is not something that is praiseworthy. That, we need to hold him accountable. And he is a murderer. We should never forget that.

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Philly Dawg on July 09, 2018, 02:21:14 PM
How can you be a Calvinist and hate trump. You liberals can't stand that you're losing and the country supports what Trump is doing. I know you liberals cry about his corporate policies, but the truth is, what's good for corporate America is good for America in general. I'm so sick of the liberal fake news. Fox is the only News Network that will tell it like it is. If you don't like this country, leave it!

You're wrong all around Sonny. Number one, I'm not a Calvinist, I'm a Christian who believes in the sovereignty of God. Number two I don't hate Trump, I despise lies, treachery, deceit and evil manipulation. Number three, I'm not a liberal, I just don't support the right wing fanatical evangelical nonsense that in Trump's case the ends justifies the means. Lies are lies no matter who tells them, whether Trump or Clinton, Bush or Obama, me or you, corporation or public entity. Number four, I'm not losing, the church is losing because you can't build a righteous society, and most certainly not upon lies and distortions. Number five, I don't care what the "Republican" country is supporting, I care what the church is supporting by this false sense of righteousness. It smacks of being just like the Scribes and Pharisees with their self righteous politics. Number six, What's good for corporate America is "seldom" good for America, Christian or otherwise, and history has proven that time and again. Number seven, Fox has turned into State TV, just like in Russia. They don't tell it like it is, they tell it like Trump and company wants it told. That's a fact. There is a difference. And finally eighth, I don't have to leave my country because short sighted anti-government fascists take it over, I can bow the knee right where I am and pray for them.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Dan on July 10, 2018, 09:14:45 AM
Are You a Amillennialist spiritualist and socialist? Trump is for Christians, not socialists or liberal Democrats. I would back trump no matter what the media says about him, so don't waste your time with fake news.

Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Rick Reeves on July 10, 2018, 12:11:15 PM
Are You a Amillennialist spiritualist and socialist? Trump is for Christians

Oh Stop it! Neither Trump nor Hillary would know a Christian if you dragged them to church with the Cross, the Bible and twelve Apostles.

You want to talk politics, fine, talk politics. But leave Christ and righteousness out of it because you only show lack of knowledge concerning them.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Sojourner on July 10, 2018, 02:34:17 PM
Trump is for Christians

Oh Stop it! Neither Trump nor Hillary would know a Christian if you dragged them to church with the Cross, the Bible and twelve Apostles.

You want to talk politics, fine, talk politics. But leave Christ and righteousness out of it because you only show lack of knowledge concerning them.

 )amen(
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
Post by: Reformer on July 11, 2018, 01:54:48 AM
Trump is for Christians

Oh Stop it! Neither Trump nor Hillary would know a Christian if you dragged them to church with the Cross, the Bible and twelve Apostles.

You want to talk politics, fine, talk politics. But leave Christ and righteousness out of it because you only show lack of knowledge concerning them.

 )amen(

Double  )amen( )amen(