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Title: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: SavedByGrace on July 23, 2016, 12:12:21 PM
Now that the primaries are over and the candidates have been selected, who is the best for the job?
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: James Heckman on July 23, 2016, 05:59:18 PM
Isn't the Green Party akin to Socialism or Communism? Are you promoting the Green Party with this poll, because they're not really a legitimate alternative. We won't have any rights at all left if that crew were to gain control. They'd take away our cars, have the government raise your kids, make us pay for neutering, abortions and ultimately euthanasia. Not to mention steal from the rich and attempt to outlaw eating meat and require what they say are healthy diets. Their agenda is ant-freedom. These tree-huggers are actually anti-American and I don't think they should be included in this poll because thy are right now insignificant. You're giving them way more publicity than they merit. Don't think the Green Party is just some kids trying to save the planet, they have a bigger agenda. At least the Libertarians have a bit of common sense.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: SavedByGrace on July 23, 2016, 06:31:12 PM
Thank you James for your comment. 
No, I am not supporting the green party.  I simply went to the web to find who was going to be on the next ballot and found these, so I listed them.  This is the most difficult election that I have ever seen.  This country seems to be going down the tubes at a rate that leaves me in a tail-spin. I am a vet and fought to oppose communism and now it seems to be coming to us with vengeance. 
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: tony e on July 23, 2016, 10:47:50 PM
I always liked Ron Paul. Johnson is really the best choice out of the 4
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Bruce on July 24, 2016, 07:57:18 AM
I'm undecided as of now, but I may be inclined to sit this one out. Which is a terrible contemplation.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Halle on July 24, 2016, 05:04:58 PM
Since realistically, it's only a choice between Trump and Hillary, I'm going to hold my nose and vote Democratic. I don't trust Trump not to destroy the Republic by spouting ignorant, reactionary, reckless, divisive and foolhardy ideas. He's simply too stubborn and not smart enough to be President. I will vote my conscience!
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Fred on July 24, 2016, 05:27:52 PM
>>>To get booed off the convention floor for that shows the type of people who are endorsing Trump.

What is that supposed to mean TERRY!  What type of people are we?

 Lots of Good Republicans are supporting Trump, just because a few liberals attempt to sabotage him doesn't mean anything.

"Let's make America Great Again."

 TRUMP For President!

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: SavedByGrace on July 24, 2016, 09:35:40 PM
I have not made up my mind yet as I ponder the choices carefully. 

I noticed that Kaine was schooled as a Jesuit.  Not having the slightest idea what a Jesuit was, I went to the web and found the following:
for some deeper insights. 

Your comments are welcome.

Bill
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Terry on July 25, 2016, 03:04:48 AM
>>>To get booed off the convention floor for that shows the type of people who are endorsing Trump.

What is that supposed to mean TERRY!  What type of people are we?

 Lots of Good Republicans are supporting Trump, just because a few liberals attempt to sabotage him doesn't mean anything.

You're out of your mind if you think Ted Cruz is a liberal. Are you even a Republican?  That just goes to show just how ignorant these people who bow at the altar of Trump are about this election. They don't know anything about the candidates, abilities or intellect, they just support his vague concepts with no tangible way of actually implementing most of the nonsense he spouts. Like He said after the attack in Nice, he's going to take care of the Terrorist problem in Germany  ::)

Some people will buty anything.


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"Let's make America Great Again."

 TRUMP For President!

America is never going to be great again, and Trump's part of the reason why.

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: David Knoles on July 25, 2016, 07:01:55 PM
America is never going to be great again, and Trump's part of the reason why.

Probably not, but Trump will keep it Christian, no abortions and strong military.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Granny on July 25, 2016, 08:40:43 PM
There's one word that describes why I can't vote for Trump. Dignity. He has none. He's like a 16 year old who is the bully on a football team. That just doesn't work for a president. He's the only candidate that makes me sad. Hillary is corrupt but Trump is dangerous. He's already got China saber rattling because of his comments and he isn't even President. You figure it out.


Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: gordonh on July 25, 2016, 08:55:52 PM
Perhaps this is once I am glad to live in California.  Hillary is up by 25%she will get California's electoral votes no matter what I do.   I can vote for someone like perhaps the Constitution Party or someone else and not have to think that voting "not Trump" I helped elect Hillary. May God have mercy on our poor country.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Sojourner on July 26, 2016, 05:39:19 AM
Voting "Not Trump" is the only thing that I think of to do, as I cannot in good conscience, as a intelligent voter, cast a vote for that man. Perhaps I'll vote for one of the other candidates, I don't know.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: George on July 26, 2016, 11:52:38 AM

A vote for Gary Johnson with William Weld is a vote for Hillary Clinton. So you might as well vote Trump. He's not as bad as these liberals make him out to be.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Chloe on July 27, 2016, 01:15:31 AM

A vote for Gary Johnson with William Weld is a vote for Hillary Clinton. So you might as well vote Trump. He's not as bad as these liberals make him out to be.

The Liberals? Ok, now you've got me started. The liberals don't make Trump call people vile names, disrespect women, say silly things like He's going to make Mexico pay to build a wall or he's going to fix Germany, or call Mexicans rapists and killers, slam people as ugly, make fun of handicapped people, stoop to childish comments such as chanting "Crooked Hillary," something I would scold my 9 ye old for doing, and on and on. That's Trump himself, that's who he is. No liberal made him that way, that's who he is. Stop trying to blame so called liberals. I'm far from liberal, and I can't vote for Trump because of Trump. Not what any liberal said.

As a born again Christian I was on the fence but was teetering away from Trump until today. After watching and listening to both the Republican convention and the Democratic convention, I am reluctantly switching my vote this year from Republican to Democratic. I do so based on what I have heard from both candidates and both parties. There is no "grace" in anything I heard from the Republicans, only anger, vitriol and bombast. From the Republicans, it seems we can expect the politics of fear, false claims of weakness, fermenting division, name calling and scape-goating. From the Democrats, I heard the politics of confidence rather than fear, strength rather than weakness, unity rather than division, a plan (and record) of making things better rather than a lot of vague claims and ideas that no one in their right mind thinks Trump can actually do. I heard Democrats preach their record rather than blaming others for failures in government. All I heard from the Republicans is that the sky was falling, even though they hold the numbers in the house and senate. They take no responsibility for anything.

I'm sick of hearing that the Democrats are the reason everything that is wrong with this country when we are the greatest and one of the richest countries in the world, and everyone knows it. What's wrong with this country is that the Republicans won't get together with the Democrats and actually get something done. They could have won this election, instead they nominate a beastly and brutish man like trump to lead us. It's their own fault as there is no leadership there. It's their way or the highway. That's not politics. All this biting, moaning and whining about how bad we have it, and how destructive it has been under Obama and Clinton, I don't even know what they're talking about anymore. Muslims, billion dollar Walls, poking China with a stick, it's all so surreal and stupid. The way to deal with China is to speak softly and carry a big stick, not to beat them with a stick thinking they'll be scared and go to their corner. To listen to Trump you would think the country was about to collapse and we're living under communism. Enough already.

Finally, and most important of all, the Democrats showed a history of change with dignity, rather than a bunch of wild ideas that cannot possibly come to fruition from Trump. Build a wall and have Mexico pay for it? The man is absolutely nuts. He bankrupted more companies and ruined more people's lives by his self-centered greed than any democrat ever did. He can't even handle his own company's finances and keep them from becoming insolvent, much less that of this country. All his words of rebuilding and changing everything clearly are not true if we look at his track records. The only one he's made rich and solvent is himself, never his companies or the investors. In my mother's day, they called people like that scam artists or snake oil salesmen, not candidates.

The bottom line for me is this, the country will be stronger together under Hillary, than torn apart at the seams by Trump's silly antics, ignorance of finances, politics and international affairs. Trump lost my vote by making a fool of both himself and attempting to pit one group against another, over and over and over again. My decision didn't come overnight because frankly I don't like Clinton's policy on abortions, their funding and a few other issues, but that pales under the multitude of downright stupid ideas and beliefs of Trump. I have to agree with others who have said that we can't have a man in the white house that no one knows what he's going to say or do next. This year, I'm voting Democrat and it's not because of liberals, it's because Republicans foolishly nominated a man that no real Christian should allow to take the seat to be the most powerful man today. That would be more foolish than voting for Hillary Clinton.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Granny on July 27, 2016, 03:44:04 AM
 :amen: Chloe, the thing about Christians like us is that we can see that beside from being crass and in love with himself, Trump lacks political skill, honesty, class and dignity. I am shocked that so many who profess to be Christian love this guy's style, lack of intellect, grace, and love his in your face persona. How can that be? Makes you wonder who really is Christian, doesn't it? Hillary is not good, but this guy is so bad as to be dangerous. So I guess you can tell, I'm with you on how you feel.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Fred on July 27, 2016, 09:00:42 AM

What is this, bash Trump week?  :S_Confused:
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Doug Johnson on July 27, 2016, 09:56:52 PM

What is this, bash Trump week?  :S_Confused:

No one's suffered more bashing at the mouths of Republicans than Hillary has. It seems Republicans can dish it out, but they can't take it.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Dan on July 28, 2016, 04:25:31 AM
Oh Please. So many thin skinned liberals. Furthermore, some Mexicans are rapists and it's been documented. Donald Trump has never done or said anything that he should be embarrassed about or that would disqualify him to be commander and chief.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on July 28, 2016, 12:41:15 PM
Donald Trump has never done or said anything that he should be embarrassed about or that would disqualify him to be commander and chief.

153 Things Donald Trump Has Said and Done That Make Him Unfit to Be President

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/07/donald_trump_is_unfit_to_be_president_here_are_141_reasons_why.html


Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on July 28, 2016, 12:44:02 PM

What is this, bash Trump week?  :S_Confused:

Maybe it's Wise Up week, Get Real week or Educate Yourself week! Stop Blindly following a Political Party into the bliss of ignorance.

Donald Trump is a unique threat to American democracy

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trump-is-a-unique-threat-to-american-democracy/2016/07/22/a6d823cc-4f4f-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html


Proudly ABT
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: tony e on July 29, 2016, 02:03:38 AM
I will vote my conscience!
seems contradictory. Christian voting for Hillary and it based off of moral conscience.
That's the only reason why I go libertarian. It is a vote of conscience. My conscience doesn't let me vote for trump or Hillary. A vote to the wind? At least my conscience will be free.

On a side note I think trump leans left, only conservative now for electing purposes
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Roger Dodson on July 29, 2016, 02:18:11 AM
Proudly ABT

What does that mean?
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Rich Aikers on July 29, 2016, 04:13:06 AM

ABT stands for "Anybody But Trump." Which most intelligent people agree on.

BTW, that only means that there are a lot of unintelligent people out there, most of them Republican, and many of them pretending to be Christ filled Christians.

I'll hold my nose and vote for Hillary because I refuse to waste my vote on a third candidate that cannot possibly win, possibly even causing Trump to sneak in. Not a chance. And my conscience is clear because there really is only two candidates who will win in his election.  The choice is either this or that, there is no actual third option that can win. In my case, vote for Hillary is a vote against putting a circus clown with no conscience in the white house.


Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Halle on July 29, 2016, 07:54:12 PM
I will vote my conscience!
seems contradictory. Christian voting for Hillary and it based off of moral conscience.

Hillary is sinful, wicked and self-serving, as are most unsaved people in politics. Trump is evil, narcissistic, simpleminded, willfully deceitful, cruel, conniving, conspiratorial, conscienceless, careless and more blatantly egotistical and vain than any man I have ever witnessed in my life. And I really mean that.

 Trump: I could 'shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters' ...

Who says something like that? That man is so twisted, it's not even fully. This difference in the candidates may not be much of a difference in the big scheme of things relating to being both being unsaved, but in terms of placing him in charge of the most powerful nation on earth, it is a big and dangerous difference. Unfortunately, that's what many conservative Christians are blind to. Blinded by his rhetoric and their tunnel vision. But my moral conscience is clear. It wouldn't be clear if I did nothing, or any thing that would cause someone like him to become leader of this country and the free world. That includes voting for a third party candidate who can't win on this grand idea of principle, knowing the blind Trump followers are going to vote for him no matter what. We've seen many examples of third party candidates who split the votes and gave elections to someone who otherwise would never have won.

Like I said, cast stones if you will, but my conscience is clear in voting the lessor of two evils and preventing Trump from any chance at taking office.

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: George on July 30, 2016, 07:24:19 AM

Trump is the best man to get us out of this welfare state we have been in since Obama took office. Plus, he's tougher on crime and a strong military. Not to mention he's against abortion. Don't let his outward demeanor fool you.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: James Heckman on July 31, 2016, 02:16:02 AM
You're out of your mind if you think Ted Cruz is a liberal. Are you even a Republican?  That just goes to show just how ignorant these people who bow at the altar of Trump are about this election. They don't know anything about the candidates, abilities or intellect, they just support his vague concepts with no tangible way of actually implementing most of the nonsense he spouts.

Well, I don't agree with much of your politics, but that part is true. Ted Cruz, Liberal?  :o Wow!

I was undecided, but I'll probably vote Gary Johnson (L).

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: George on July 31, 2016, 04:01:55 AM

A vote for  Gary Johnson is a vote for Hillary. Stick with the plan and vote Republican.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on July 31, 2016, 05:11:39 AM
Backlash after Trump lashes out at the Muslim parents of a Muslim U.S. soldier that sacrificed his life for America.


What Christian would vote for trump. We are o judge the person, not the group, race, creed or color, but the individual. Trump is deliberately vile and confrontational, dividing the nation for his own selfish gain. He is a reproach to decent people everywhere, a humiliation to his family, a disgrace to the nation, a embarrassment to Republicans, and a cancer on the butt of Christians everywhere.  Personally, I've lost all respect for any Christian who posts on this forum that they are supporting Trump. Because it says more about them than it does about Trump.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Lieberman on August 03, 2016, 01:56:21 PM
 :Fighting: How can you have a candidate say on average, 1 ridiculously stupid thing every 2 days without fail, be destructive of his own party, have his own campaign workers and people throwing up their hands in frustration, answer to no one, and have this many Republicans still supporting him? The answer of course is, the people who support him are equally as vile and ignorant as Trump is. A man who doesn't even know the constitution, doesn't respect his own party, doesn't have any civility and

2Timothy 2:24
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

2Timothy 2:25
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

Of course, neither Trump or Hillary are servants of the Lord, acknowledge the truth, or hold to any Christian virtues. So how is Trump the pick of most Christian groups when he's obviously the most hateful, twisted, deceitful, dishonest and immoral of the two? It's good to see the poll here shows there are a majority of Christians here who at least have not been living in a trailer park and know a dangerous con man when they see one.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: James Heckman on August 03, 2016, 10:58:48 PM
:Fighting: How can you have a candidate say on average, 1 ridiculously stupid thing every 2 days without fail,

Oh, Hillary isn't that bad :)
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Diane Moody on August 05, 2016, 11:11:18 AM
Donald Trump is a over-exaggeration of the new wave of Republicans who are unintelligent, belligerent, angry, mean spirited, non-compromising and intransigent. The kind who would rather get nothing done in government, than to sit down with the Democrats and work together on a workable plan. You either do it their way or they take a hissy-fit and start calling you names. This new arrogant and mean form of politics by many of the modern Republicans is what has turned me and a lot of other Americans off. For one like Trump who is so adept at rhetoric, baiting the ignorant and name calling, the best names to call or more accurately describe him are fascist, narcissist, exploiter, egotistical, megalomaniac and immature.  Not at all  Presidential material, unfit to rule. In fact, he portrays himself as the great man who will bring the leadership that the congress and senate will follow, and yet he can't even get the politicians of his own party to follow him, much less have leverage over Democrats.  He is a joke and the Republicans a joke for nominating him. As Philly Dawg said long ago, the Republicans just "gave away" a winable election by nominating Trump. He was pretty much the only candidate who it is impossible for the Democrats to lose against. How stupid has this party become? It's so frustrating!!!!!


Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Alex Rowland on August 05, 2016, 07:50:09 PM
I was going to vote, but after hearing Trump day after day deliberately say something dumb, I'm not voting for any of them. Certainly not Hillary, I've had it. What will be, will be as God allows.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on August 06, 2016, 07:47:32 AM

All of Trump's off color remarks starting to take its toll, as expected!

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/donald-trump-unfavorable-polls-224454

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Joe Johnson on August 08, 2016, 04:03:43 PM

I don't understand why the country is turning against Trump all of a sudden (according to the polls). I have never understood how people can love you one minute, and hate you in the next. It's a fickle world we live in. Hillary is no better, so we might as well back someone who at least is conservative to be the next President.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Terrell Meyer on August 10, 2016, 10:58:51 PM

I don't understand why the country is turning against Trump all of a sudden (according to the polls).

It's because every time he opens his mouth something stupid or spiteful comes out. People don't want a President who is a buffoon. They want one who is reserved, studious and at the very least "mostly" stable. From what I see, Trump either has stupid people working for him or he has absolutely no self control at all. Always a dangerous combination for a President. I like some of his ideas, but not enough to overrule my common sense.

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Reuben on August 11, 2016, 05:48:07 PM
 :ditto:
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Melanie on August 12, 2016, 04:40:32 AM

I don't understand why the country is turning against Trump all of a sudden.

 :L-candle: It's not "all of a sudden." Trump receives the disrespect the old fashioned way, he earned it by being a disrespectful clown. Funny because (as usual) Philly Dawg called this very accurately from day one. The election was there for the taking for Republicans but there are too many uneducated and short sighted people in the Party. The general election is a lot different from a bunch of blind, obstinate and intransigent Republicans voting for Trump in the primaries just to make themselves feel good. They were warned by respectable Republican politicians but in their zeal they chose to ignore all the signs. Kind of like a metaphor for politics, life and the church.  :L-candle:




Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Larry on August 16, 2016, 10:23:06 PM

I don't understand why the country is turning against Trump all of a sudden.

 :L-candle: It's not "all of a sudden." Trump receives the disrespect the old fashioned way, he earned it by being a disrespectful clown. Funny because (as usual) Philly Dawg called this very accurately from day one. The election was there for the taking for Republicans but there are too many uneducated and short sighted people in the Party.


That part is true, but are we going to let the left wing media sway us from a man who is obviously better aligned to our point of view than Hillary is? No, he's not the ideal candidate, but to have Hillary leading 2 to 1 in this poll is ridiculous. You've been brainwashed.


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They were warned by respectable Republican politicians but in their zeal they chose to ignore all the signs. Kind of like a metaphor for politics, life and the church.  :L-candle:

Just because Republicans make mistakes doesn't mean you abandon the party when you know it's better than the alternative. You work within it to make things better, not jump to the Democrats.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Erik Diamond on August 16, 2016, 10:40:44 PM
Quote from: Larry
No, he's not the ideal candidate, but to have Hillary leading 2 to 1 in this poll is ridiculous.

Actually 3 to 1.  ;)P

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Christopher Henson on August 17, 2016, 01:41:15 AM
That part is true, but are we going to let the left wing media sway us from a man who is obviously better aligned to our point of view than Hillary is?

 :beating-horse: Here we go again. Christians Blaming the media for an idiot like Trump, and bigger idiots who vote for him. I'm a Republican and I'm so sick of hearing that it's the media's fault Trump can't be elected. Wake up people! It's your fault for putting this man up as your candidate. I know it's hard but try and live with the truth for a change.  ::) Geezzzzz!

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Wcjciech Semkowski on August 18, 2016, 06:04:38 AM
That part is true, but are we going to let the left wing media sway us from a man who is obviously better aligned to our point of view than Hillary is?

 :beating-horse: Here we go again. Christians Blaming the media for an idiot like Trump, and bigger idiots who vote for him. I'm a Republican and I'm so sick of hearing that it's the media's fault Trump can't be elected. Wake up people! It's your fault for putting this man up as your candidate. I know it's hard but try and live with the truth for a change.  ::) Geezzzzz!

 :God:Bl-U: :iagree:  How long will we blame the messenger for the message spoken by someone else?
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: matt205 on August 19, 2016, 11:23:37 PM

As long as they're to blame  :(

I don't know what makes you think that trump can't win the election for President but it's not facts. He can win and he's not this evil man that you think he is. We Republicans are supporting him in greater numbers because he says what we are thinking. As I said before, He's not false or fake like the other candidates. His personality is what the oval office needs, not this political correct nonsense. People want a candidate who speaks the truth.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Tim Norton on August 20, 2016, 12:54:12 AM

As long as they're to blame  :(


I thought Republicans were the party that wants to hold people responsible for their own actions? Except when it's Trump I guess.


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I don't know what makes you think that trump can't win the election for President but it's not facts.

Of course it's not a fact as anything is possible, but it's a 90 percent conclusion, based upon facts.


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We Republicans are supporting him in greater numbers because he says what we are thinking.


You're thinking he could shoot someone in the street and still be elected? You're thinking he has ruined so many businesses and investors, but will somehow fix business and the economy? You're thinking that making fun of disabled people is the righteous thing to do? You're thinking that disparaging captured American P.O.W. vets for political gain is what people want? I don't think you're thinking at all, just marching out to sea with the rest of the lemmings.


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As I said before, He's not false or fake like the other candidates.

So this is not an act and is the real Trump? God help us!


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His personality is what the oval office needs, not this political correct nonsense. People want a candidate who speaks the truth.

Trump's truth is not truth, it's whatever is inside his gigantic and ever growing head at any given moment.

Right wing conservative Billnjune said "I took a look at the 'Election Betting' which is usually more accurate than most polls and I found the end results to be very frightening to me."

https://electionbettingodds.com/

Hover your cursor over the various states.

:S_Confused: Funny, because I don't find it frightning at all, I find it encouraging. It shows that everyone is not drunk on idiot pills, yet!
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Jeremy on August 25, 2016, 07:46:14 AM
Boy, Trump's name is mud these days, isn't it?
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Peng Bao on August 26, 2016, 07:07:38 AM
I can't vote, but the more I hear Trump open his mouth, the more I would turn Democrat.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Fred on September 07, 2016, 04:30:38 AM
I can't vote, but the more I hear Trump open his mouth, the more I would turn Democrat.

Funny, the latest polls released yesterday show Trump leading Hilary by 1 point. So somebody likes him :)
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on September 07, 2016, 07:43:29 AM
I can't vote, but the more I hear Trump open his mouth, the more I would turn Democrat.

Funny, the latest polls released yesterday show Trump leading Hilary by 1 point. So somebody likes him :)

Yeah. Texas, Arkansas and Oklahoma ;)

There's a bump after any convention, Republican or Democrat, then it settles down to what it is now. That's a given.

But don't kid yourself like you did 4 years ago with Mitt Romney and 8 years ago with John McCain, saying the exact same thing about a win. Your polls didn't tell the tale then and the don't tell the tale now. Because ignorant people don't elect Presidents. Presidents are elected by the states with an populace that is educated and not living in trailer parks. That popular poll means nothing. It doesn't matter that Trump's popular in Texas, Wyoming, Kansas, North Dakota and Alabama. Obviously you know nothing about American politics. The only thing that mattes is the battleground states. I've said it countless times, but Republicans are not smart enough to understand that. Trump will not win the states that are the only ones that can possibly make him President. He's losing something like 341 electoral votes to 191 or something like that. This is a Republic so that he (or she) that gets the most electoral votes, wins.

Instead of that moron Trump spending a lot of time campaigning in states he already has in the bag like Texas, Georgia and Mississippi, he should spend 100 percent of his time in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Florida, Ohio, New York, Michigan, Virginia, Colorado, etc. But Republicans have never been the brightest bulbs in the box, and electing Trump to run for President proves that beyond the shadow of a doubt.

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Alex Rowland on September 07, 2016, 09:40:44 AM

Isn't calling Trump a Moron and Republicans stupid, just as bad as what Trump is doing? How are you any better than him? That's why I'm voting Republican.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Clifford Grodin on September 08, 2016, 05:36:41 AM
Trump will not win the states that are the only ones that can possibly make him President. He's losing something like 341 electoral votes to 191 or something like that. This is a Republic so that he (or she) that gets the most electoral votes, wins.

Wow, is that how much she's leading in states delegates? If true, trump ha his work cut out for him.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on September 27, 2016, 08:54:15 PM
After watching last night's debate, I've come to the conclusion that anyone who votes for Trump is not completely sane. There are a lot of not completely sane people in this country. No wonder honesty, integrity and morality is at an all time low. Just my opinion!
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Erik Diamond on September 27, 2016, 11:59:27 PM
Hillary or Trump? America is doomed. Apocalypse can't come soon enough.  :baghead:
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Lieberman on September 28, 2016, 09:36:29 AM
We are doomed, but not by any presidential candidate, but by the people of this country. How anyone can consider Trump for POTUS is what is really disturbing to me. There must be something in the water. Not to name call but He was like a mindless buffoon up there on the debate forum. He was inarticulate, dismissive, unprepared, dishonest, nonsensical, obviously hiding something, ignorant of most facts and flat out lied several times about his position on Iraq before the war. How then is this man qualified to be President of the United States?

What also disturbed me is comments about dropping out of NATO because some didn't pay their fare share (true, BTW) leaving our allies defenseless. Is that the answer? He also cruelly said he would be glad the economy crashed so he could make more money. And then had the nerve to say, "That's called business." Then he adds that he's always been for the common man? What a Joke! Clearly he cares about no one but himself and his money and will wreck the country more than it's already wrecked.

Clearly he's not going to win, but just the fact that he is loved by so Christian people is disturbing to me on a much deeper level. Personally, I really don't think there are many Christians left in this country. It's another in a string of examples of the sad state of the modern church with its blind allegiance to this world, rhetoric, the Dispy economy and money. Where is Christ in all this. Is Hillary any better? Yes! Not much, but yes, appreciably better and a lot less self absorbed, disturbed, borderline senile and unpredictable.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Fred on September 28, 2016, 10:01:41 AM
 :Fighting: Come out fighting huh? Trump will win because people are fed up with minorities getting special treatment, taxes through the roof, Mexicans killing Americans, Obamacare, Big Business being handcuffed, welfare for able bodied men who use their handicaps as a crutch, ISIS coming to our country, and Clinton getting away with security breaches with her email use, not to mention Benghazi.

Lieberman, your rant is just another example of Jewish liberals driving this country into the ground. How do you know who is Christian? Do you think Christians are perfect? I'm not scared of Trump taking office, I'm scared of people like you with your Amillennial brainwashing, spiritualizing and those who are traitors to their own people.  :hammerhead:
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on September 28, 2016, 03:01:36 PM
:Fighting: Come out fighting huh? Trump will win because people are fed up with minorities getting special treatment.

Minorities getting special treatment? That's a talking point, rhetoric and a joke perpetrated by biased people like yourself to sway the ignorant. I doubt it will work here. Try the Premil forums, Confederacy Today or the Puritan board. 


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Lieberman, your rant is just another example of Jewish liberals driving this country into the ground.

What race someone is has no place being used here as a club, but typical of a lot of Christian Republicans. Stop trying to scapegoat blame for your own issues by blaming other races.


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I'm scared of people like you with your Amillennial brainwashing, spiritualizing and those who are traitors to their own people.  :hammerhead:

Lieberman is a Christian, and a lot better one than you so deal with that. Rather than being a traitor (assuming your slur is for him), he's a banner carrier for the Jews and Israel. Take your insensitive comments back to the group that supports that clown you support for President.

As far as the debate, A poll from ORC (respected pollster) of debate-watchers had Clinton winning 62 percent to 27 percent. In fact, based on "legitimate non-ballot stuffing internet" polls, focus groups, and media consensus, Democrat Hillary Clinton won last night’s US presidential debate, and Republican Donald Trump lost big. The entire 90-minute debate could become a staple of gender studies syllabi for years to come. Trump interrupted or cut off Clinton 51 times during the debate, which was disgraceful, rude and offensive. But judge for yourself, here's 31 of them:


Trump openly bragged about not paying any income tax and taking advantage of US bankruptcy laws. “That makes me smart,” he said, in response to Clinton mentioning years in which he paid no federal taxes. On his rooting for the 2008 housing crisis that collapsed the US economy, Trump later said, “That’s called business.” His comments came across as cold, unapologetic, and disrespectful of working people. It’s one reason why American CEOs, who typically embrace entrepreneurs running for office, are avoiding him like the plague.

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Emily on September 28, 2016, 05:03:24 PM
:Fighting: Come out fighting huh? Trump will win because people are fed up with welfare for able bodied men who use their handicaps as a crutch,

If that is another veiled reference to Erik, you are violating forum rules.

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Mila Ostrovsky on October 01, 2016, 09:18:52 AM
Minorities getting special treatment? That's a talking point, rhetoric and a joke perpetrated by biased people like yourself to sway the ignorant. I doubt it will work here. Try the Premil forums, Confederacy Today or the Puritan board. 


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Lieberman, your rant is just another example of Jewish liberals driving this country into the ground.

What race someone is has no place being used here as a club, but typical of a lot of Christian Republicans. Stop trying to scapegoat blame for your own issues by blaming other races.

 :iagree: Any wonder he's backing Trump, that's how those people think.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Fred on October 01, 2016, 10:07:21 AM
Really? What a ignorant generalization. And what country are you from "Ostrovsky!"   :thinker:
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Mila Ostrovsky on October 01, 2016, 12:19:23 PM
Is that relevant?
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on October 01, 2016, 08:56:00 PM
Is that relevant?

Only to Trump Republicans. To Christians, no, it is not relevant!
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on October 06, 2016, 11:07:00 PM
30 Former GOP Members of Congress
Declare Trump ‘Manifestly Unqualified’
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Thirty former GOP members of Congress have signed a new statement denouncing their party’s presidential nominee, saying that Donald Trump “makes a mockery of the principles and values we have cherished and which we sought to represent in Congress.”

The statement from the group, which was organized by former Reps. Mickey Edwards of Oklahoma and Tom Coleman of Missouri, does not comment on whether they will vote for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton. But the statement denounces Mr. Trump in strong terms, saying he “has proven himself manifestly unqualified to be president.”
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The list of signatories–one former senator and the rest former House members– include prominent establishment figures such as former Rep. Vin Weber and Mr. Edwards, who both were in the House GOP leadership while in Congress.

The list includes former Reps. Jim Leach of Iowa and Connie Morella of Maryland and conservatives like former Sen. Gordon Humphrey of New Hampshire and former Rep. Steve Bartlett of Texas.

Mr. Edwards, who has been a vocal critic of Mr. Trump for some time, said in an interview he decided to organize the statement because he was concerned about signs that Republicans were rallying behind Mr. Trump because it was good for the party.

“I was noticing that people in my party — this was shocking to me — were all of a sudden abandoning any concern for the country, saying ‘We gotta make sure our club wins,’” said Mr. Edwards, who is now vice president of the Aspen Institute.

Thirty former GOP members of Congress have signed a new statement denouncing their party’s presidential nominee, saying that Donald Trump “makes a mockery of the principles and values we have cherished and which we sought to represent in Congress.”

The statement from the group, which was organized by former Reps. Mickey Edwards of Oklahoma and Tom Coleman of Missouri, does not comment on whether they will vote for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton. But the statement denounces Mr. Trump in strong terms similar to what Democrats use to attack him, saying he “has proven himself manifestly unqualified to be president.”
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The list of signatories–one former senator and the rest former House members– include prominent establishment figures such as former Rep. Vin Weber and Mr. Edwards, who both were in the House GOP leadership while in Congress.

The list is heavy on centrist Republicans like former Reps. Jim Leach of Iowa and Connie Morella of Maryland, but also includes conservatives like former Sen. Gordon Humphrey of New Hampshire and former Rep. Steve Bartlett of Texas.

Mr. Edwards, who has been a vocal critic of Mr. Trump for some time, said in an interview he decided to organize the statement because he was concerned about signs that Republicans were rallying behind Mr. Trump because it was good for the party.

“I was noticing that people in my party — this was shocking to me — were all of a sudden abandoning any concern for the country, saying ‘We gotta make sure our club wins,’” said Mr. Edwards, who is now vice president of the Aspen Institute.

 Clinton is currently leading Trump by 4.1 pct. pts nation wide.
 
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Maurice on October 07, 2016, 01:25:52 AM
Truth at last. Now if you only could get Christians to believe it.   :smileyBounce:  :smileyBounce:  :smileyBounce:  :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce:
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Fred on October 07, 2016, 03:06:44 AM
If you're scared, get a Dog!

It's crucial that Republicans win, even if he is not qualified. He will be better than the liberals under crooked Hillary.



Let's Make America Great Again!



Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Maurice on October 08, 2016, 12:06:00 PM
If you're scared, get a Dog!

It's crucial that Republicans win, even if he is not qualified. He will be better than the liberals under crooked Hillary.



Let's Make America Great Again!

I'm sure all you Christians will continue to support Trump, even after his vile and disgusting comments posted yesterday, for which he issues a limp apology. People now want to act as if they didn't know that he was this vile disgusting man, when you know that's not true. You knew it, but you didn't care so long as a Republican was put in office. Shame on you Christians. Not all of you, you know who you are.  This Poll has 29 percent of you voting for Trump, and that is despicable for anyone claiming to be a follower of the Lord.

I'm sure Fred, John, George or Billnjune (those I can remember) will come on and blame the liberals, Obama, Hillary and the media for Trump's evil remarks, but the truth is, this is who Trump is. A Billionaire who disparages our military, loves only himself, praises the Russians, wants Saudi Arabia to have nukes, brags about hitting on married women, says his celebrity gives him license, doesn't pay taxes, benefits from our taxes, and yet is supported by right wing Christians. And you not only know it now, you've always known it. But you didn't care because you're not real Christians. At least not followers of your Christ. Very sad.

Not to mention the hypocrite Republicans today withdrawing their support for him as if they really didn't know his was who Trump is. The hypocrisy makes me sick.

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Erik Diamond on October 08, 2016, 02:23:56 PM
Quote from: Maurice
I'm sure all you Christians will continue to support Trump, even after his vile and disgusting comments posted yesterday, for which he issues a limp apology. People now want to act as if they didn't know that he was this vile disgusting man, when you know that's not true. You knew it, but you didn't care so long as a Republican was put in office. Shame on you Christians. Not all of you, you know who you are.  This Poll has 29 percent of you voting for Trump, and that is despicable for anyone claiming to be a follower of the Lord.

I agreed! 

Trump has been accused of abuse and rape by multiple women and denied all of it. He only admitted to this one because it was on tape and literally impossible to deny, just as Bill admitted to Lewinsky when he had no other choice.  Hard to give someone too much credit for admitting to a thing that 300 million people watched on tape.

Don't defend Trump on this one, guys. Please don't do it. Whether you'll vote for him or not, please don't debase and discredit yourself by defending a dirtbag who bragged about sexually assaulting women. Don't. Just don't. It's not worth it.

And to me, it's sexual assault. It's an assault upon man's wife. Trump does not care if a pretty woman is married. That is a lust!  You need to remember that in the tapes from 2005, Trump was 60, not 17 after claim that he knew the Bible.  Trump talked about being able to "do whatever he wants" to women because he's famous. He literally said he tried to "f**k" a married woman but she shut him down. Then he said he can kiss women or "grab 'em in the p**sy" and they'll let him do it because he's "a star." 

Unbelievable. How could you want that man to be our next president despite his unchristian behavior and supporting his motto: Making America great again.   NOT!

Sure, I bet that Trump supporters will say "it was just talk." Or blame it on liberal media, etc.   Just stop it!  Please!  You know better. It's not about the words he used, it's about what he said he DID. He confessed on tape to groping women and unacceptable sexual advances.  That's sexual assault, people!  Why are you debasing yourself like this? And for Trump of all people?  The truth is He despises you, and yet you forfeit your dignity for him. I don't get it. It's really tragic to watch. 

I do not support or vote for Hillary.   But everyone must face the fact that the only way to beat Hillary now is for Trump to drop out and let Pence or Paul Ryan takeover. Trump cannot win. He was already losing in every poll, and now that they'll spend a month unearthing stuff like this, his loss is assured. Period. If we really want to beat Hillary, we have to call for Trump to drop out. It's the only way.  Face it now and try, or face a Hillary presidency.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Lieberman on October 08, 2016, 02:40:45 PM
Not to get too political, but
 :ditto: &TY :GoodPopst:  :iagree:
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Reformer on October 08, 2016, 03:02:34 PM

The real problem is, the Republicans didn't nominate a Republican this year, and it was a year where the Republican party could have won the Presidency. That's what hurts the most.

Of all years, they picked the wrong year to nominate a outsider. So the blame goes to the Republicans who voted in the primaries. I don't agree with everything Philly Dawg says, but on that point, he is one hundred percent correct. Nominating a non-Republican like Trump on nothing but emotion is the downfall of the ticket this year.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Pilgrim on October 08, 2016, 08:47:23 PM
Yeah, the problem began in the nomination. No one wanted to step up and say no to his people because they thought after He was out they' get his followers. Now they're stuck with him and his circus. Now the rest of us have to suffer with Hillary.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Maurice on October 09, 2016, 07:16:19 AM
In my very Best Trump impression "Are You Not Entertained?"

I mean Christians, what did you expect from such a man when you jumped on his bandwagon?
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Hammerle Labinowic on October 09, 2016, 11:23:37 AM
I'm sure Fred, John, George or Billnjune (those I can remember) will come on and blame the liberals, Obama, Hillary and the media for Trump's evil remarks,

Why not, Trump did. His apology was all about Bill Clinton rather than contrition for his own words or about his own his repentance. 

   Seriously though, it's so easy to blame someone else for our shortcomings, lot in life, lack of employment, environment, etc. It's called human nature. Our sin nature. Wisdom is in seeing it for what it is rather than scapegoating. That goes for Hillary too.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on October 09, 2016, 12:03:16 PM
Most Republicans Denounce Trump After More
Vile and Indefensible Comments About Women

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on October 10, 2016, 11:55:32 AM
The list of Republicans rushing to retract their endorsements of Donald Trump expanded “bigly” as the candidate might say, growing from one singer-songwriter in April to include 28 GOP congressman, Senators, Governors and former presidential nominees. It’s all documented in detail on Wikipedia as Trump’s own party races to cover their own behinds, after misleading the American public into thinking that Donald Trump was actually, somehow in any way shape or form fit to be President of the United States.

Leading the list is 2008 nominee respected Republican Sen. John McCain, who really has had so many chances to unendorse Trump, but instead painfully carried water for the cruel candidate who mocked him, insisting that his “heroes don’t get captured.” Former 2016 contender Carly Fiorina whose face and looks Trump famously insulted finally noticed that the Republican nominee is horrendous.

Even Salem Radio host and MSNBC personality Hugh Hewitt finally gave up supporting this year’s Republican nominee after publicly changing his position in June once it became apparent that Trump would survive the Republican National Convention as his party’s nominee. This list of politicians who endorsed and now un-endorse sure to grow:

1. Kelly Ayotte, U.S. Senator from New Hampshire (retracted Oct. 8, 2016)
2. Robert J. Bentley, 53rd Governor of Alabama (retracted Oct. 8, 2016)
3. Bradley Byrne, U.S. Representative for Alabama’s 1st congressional district(retracted Oct. 8, 2016)
4. Aaron Carter, singer (retracted Apr. 29, 2016)
5. Jason Chaffetz, U.S. representative for Utah’s 3rd congressional district (retracted Oct. 8, 2016)
6. Mike Crapo, U.S. Senator from Idaho(retracted Oct. 8, 2016)
7. Rodney Davis, U.S. Representative for Illinois’s 13th congressional district (retracted Oct. 8, 2016)
8. Dennis Daugaard, Governor of South Dakota (retracted Oct. 8, 2016)
9. Carly Fiorina, former CEO of Hewlett Packard, former 2016 candidate for president (retracted Oct. 8, 2016)
10. Deb Fischer, U.S. Senator from Nebraska (retracted Oct. 8, 2016)
11. Jeff Fortenberry, U.S. Representative for Nevada’s 1st congressional district (retracted Oct. 8, 2016)
12. Cory Gardner, Senator from Colorado (retracted Oct. 8, 2016)
13. Cresent Hardy, U.S. Representative for Nevada’s 4th congressional district (retracted Oct. 8, 2016)
14. Joe Heck, U.S. Representative for Nevada’s 3rd congressional district (retracted Oct. 8, 2016)
15. Gary Herbert, 17th Governor of Utah (retracted Oct. 7, 2016)
16. Hugh Hewitt, radio host (retracted Oct. 8, 2016)
17. Jon Huntsman Jr., 16th Governor of Utah (2005–2009) (retracted Oct. 7, 2016)
18. John McCain, Senator from Arizona (retracted Oct. 8, 2016)
19. Lisa Murkowski, Senator from Alaska (retracted Oct. 8, 2016)
20. Tim Pawlenty, 39th Governor of Minnesota (2003–2011) (retracted Oct. 8, 2016)
21. Michael Reagan, son of the 40th President Ronald Reagan (retracted Oct. 2, 2016)
22. Martha Roby, U.S. Representative for Alabama’s 2nd congressional district (retracted Oct. 8, 2016)
24. Tom Rooney, U.S. Representative for Florida’s 16th congressional district (retracted Oct. 8, 2016)
25. Brian Sandoval, Governor of Nevada (retracted June 7, 2016)
26. Chris Stewart, U.S. Representative for Utah’s 2nd congressional district. (retracted Oct. 8, 2016)
27. Dan Sullivan, Senator from Alaska (retracted Oct. 8, 2016)
28. John Thune, U.S. Senator from South Dakota (retracted Oct. 8, 2016)
29. David Valadao, U.S. Representative from California’s 21st congressional district (retracted June 22, 2016)
30. Ann Wagner, U.S. Representative for Missouri’s 2nd congressional district(retracted Oct. 8, 2016)
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on October 10, 2016, 07:36:10 PM
Clinton's lead now up to double digits, new NBC/Wall Street Journal Poll shows!

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/poll-after-trump-tape-revelation-clinton-s-lead-double-digits-n663691
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Alex Rowland on October 11, 2016, 09:12:43 AM
I'm not voting for Trump, but neither am I voting for Hillary.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on October 11, 2016, 11:44:46 AM
The Very Embodiment of What the Bible Calls a Fool!

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Cracks have appeared in Christian support for Donald Trump over the video of his sexually predatory comments about women. But backing from some of his most high-profile conservative Christian endorsers, such as Liberty University president Jerry Falwell Jr., is holding.

Among those reversing course was well-known theologian Wayne Grudem, whose endorsement was widely cited by other Christians backing the Republican presidential nominee. The prominent magazine, Christianity Today, on Monday said Trump was "the very embodiment of what the Bible calls a fool." James MacDonald, of Harvest Bible Church in Illinois and a member of Trump's evangelical advisory board, called the candidate's remarks "misogynistic trash." The pastor told the magazine he would no longer work with the campaign unless Trump repents.

Popular theologian and author B. Moore tweeted that she was among many women who had been sexually abused or harassed, and "we're tired of it." That behavior, she warned, becomes more acceptable "when some Christian leaders don't think it's that big a deal."

Katelyn Beaty, author of "A Woman's Place," and a former managing editor at Christianity Today magazine, said Moore's comments indicate Christian women are becoming more wary of Trump, "especially as it relates to the ways he consistently talks about and treats women."
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Lieberman on October 11, 2016, 01:26:17 PM
The Very Embodiment of What the Bible Calls a Fool!

(https://betdata.io/images/candidates/pol/trump.jpg)


Proverbs 10:8
"The wise in heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall."

Trump listens to no one but himself, not his advisers, not seasoned Republicans, not strategists, not common sense and not the Bible. That Pastor was totally right. Trump sadly is the very embodiment of what the Bible calls a fool!

Don't vote for him but pray for him and his family.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Reformed Baptist on October 11, 2016, 10:27:41 PM

True, but that can apply to Hillary also. Her actions are foolish in a different way.  :BibleRead:
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Dana Pescator on October 12, 2016, 07:50:49 AM
 :ditto:   &TY
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on October 13, 2016, 10:44:48 AM

I guess people are only now starting to get what I have been saying or over 10 years about the obvious "HYPOCRISY" of the far right, radical Republican Religious (not Christian) movement that was so morally outraged at President Bill Clinton's actions towards women, saying it clearly made him unfit to be President. These same Christians (and I use the word in the broader sense) when the shoe is on the other foot are rallying around Donald Trump and claiming he is not unfit to be President and it's only the liberal media who cares about these stories. They loved the media reports on immorality when it was Bill Clinton, but now covering such stories is suddenly because the Media is biased, not because it's all true (by Trump's own admission to most of it.) Admission not because he's honest, but because the proof is recorded and so undeniable that he would seem a bigger fool than he already is to attempt to deny it. I have no confidence that right wing Christians (like the President of Liberty university) is even really a Christian. There's nothing that would make me say that.

The question is, would Christ be a supporter of Trump or Hillary as fit to lead us? The answer is no. So then neither can I support them. And certainly not the hypocrisy of the morally bankrupt right wing morally blind Christian end of the Republican Party.

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Granny on October 13, 2016, 01:41:28 PM
I guess immorality depends upon what party you are supporting. I was backing Republican Rubio, but that went nowhere with people so that left me high and dry. I never backed Trump and never will. I always thought he was emblematic of the stereotypical rich who have no morals, care nothing about others and feel entitled because of their position. That doesn't fit with my being Christian.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Chicago Bear on October 14, 2016, 12:09:03 PM
What is the 3rd party (Johnson) candidate's view on abortion? Anyone know? I didn't see it on his bio/platform.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Reformed Baptist on October 14, 2016, 02:31:56 PM
I'm afraid it's not good Big Bear. It's almost as bad as Obama's and not much different from Hilary's.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm

I'm afraid it's between Hillary and Trump, and I cannot bring myself to vote for an egomaniac like Trump. I really don't believe he is stable enough to have nuclear weapons. That's not a jab, I really mean that from the bottom of my heart. He's impulsive, erratic and unpredictable and he has shown that he won't listen to anything but the sound of his own voice. That is dangerous being at the head of the most powerful nation on earth.

James 3:8
"But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison."

I hesitate to bring religion into it because neither one of these terrible candidates are God fearing people and neither will do what they claim they will. Trump has no problem with telling his party what they can do with promises, decorum or platforms. To me it all comes down to saneness, stability and fitness to govern at least in a responsible way. We don't need Trump poking Iran, North Korea or China with a stick and destabilizing the world with his mouth. God established order, Trump is a obvious, and I mean "very obvious" narcissist that seems to take pride in and enjoy the chaos and disorder he brings. This is in no way good for this country that is on the verge of anarchy as it is.

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Lieberman on October 14, 2016, 03:38:59 PM

James 3:8
"But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison."

I hesitate to bring religion into it because neither one of these terrible candidates are God fearing people and neither will do what they claim they will.

 :Goodpoint: Excellent verse. The difference with trump is, he doesn't even try to tame his tongue. Which makes him the more dangerous of the two in my view.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Fred on October 15, 2016, 08:10:52 AM

Amazing! This use to be a conservative Christian forum that stood for Republican values and now it's become the sounding board for liberals backing the Democrats. The lies about Donald Trump are not going to dissuade the good people of this country from voting out the liberal snakes. We are the moral majority that believes in family values and is fed up with this president and liberals like Hillary who have taken our dollars and given us nothing. We're fed up these Democrats in office that have destroyed the economy, and with crooked Hillary who is the main reason we have had Isis come to power and these bad trade agreements. I wonder how you'll all feel when the Republicans win the Presidency and our payday is over?

To the silent majority out there, the brave 32 percent of the people here who voted yes to Trump on this poll, Help Make America Great Again. Support the campaign by contributing now! Go to the Official Campaign Website‎.

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
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Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Granny on October 16, 2016, 03:22:16 PM

Thank you Jim and Tony
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Rich Aikers on October 16, 2016, 10:32:37 PM
For What?
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Bruno Kolberg on October 17, 2016, 08:25:15 AM
For what it’s worth, this is an opinion piece from a Murdoch-owned Australian newspaper:

www.redatedkings.com/download/Donald_Trump.pdf



Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Granny on October 17, 2016, 02:59:33 PM
For What?

Thanks for one or the other for removing that vulgar video by Bill Maher that Maurice posted against Trump. Even though I despise Trump, I think that was way over the top to be posted on a Christian site. It made me cringe and the language was inappropriate.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on October 17, 2016, 03:41:43 PM
For what it’s worth, this is an opinion piece from a Murdoch-owned Australian newspaper:

www.redatedkings.com/download/Donald_Trump.pdf

Remember when the US president used to be called “the leader of the free world.” Think about it

this impostor, Trump, as “leader of the free world”? Russia and China, of course, would love to see him in the chair once occupied by Kennedy and Reagan, let alone Washington and Lincoln. By casting such a vote the Americ an people would  perpetrate far more damage on their nation than anything recently rendered by Russia or China.

What sort of “free world” after four years with Trump as president? The Republicans are supposed to be the party of family values, Christian tradition, free trade,
national security guardianship and economic competence. What a laugh. They nominated a candidate who mocked every principle American conservatism purports to represent.

Trump boasts about assaulting and groping women, grabbing them by the genitals, was happy to call his daughter is a “piece of ass”, wants to put his opponent in jail in the style of an African banana republic, likes the notion of cosying up and doing deals with thugs like Vladimir Putin, bags loyal and long-dedicated US allies, threatens a trade war with China, wants to kill the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal, attacks every free trade deal he sights, pledges huge unfunded tax cuts, wants to dictate to US corporates where and how they operate and parades as a nostalgic
isolationist.
Unfit to be president


Great article! Bur don't tell that to Christians like John, Fred, Billnjune and George though, who support racists like Ted Bundy and who are convinced it's only the liberal media who make Republicans like Trump appear so biased and unbalanced. It's amazing what damage a blind political agenda can do to a person's common sense. I think Tony Warren called this blind allegiance to political soundbytes "a spiritual insanity" because it defies both logic and reason. That the election in this country is even this close (9 percentage points last I read) is a testament to what this article says about us. America is not moral, not honest and not cerebral. It is not what it once was in part because so many people put party ahead of reason and truth. So much so that they refuse to believe this man is inherently dangerous. Call me crazy, but from what I read it reminds me of the way people followed Hitler before WWII. He knows how to incite the angry who want to point the finger at others for their own shortcomings. And this is also helped by tabloid journalism which has replaced the media that once was our informer rather than a cheer leader for clowns like Trump. They once held candidates to a higher standard, but since FOX and CNN came along with its emphasis on the money-line, it's blended into being all about what may be popular and playing their news toward it to being in money, rather than hold to strict Journalist standards and integrity.  The perfect storm for a empty man like Trump to be the champion of narcissism, obnoxiousness and degeneracy. The very personification of The Ugly American who doesn't know his butt from the Grand Canyon.

 
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Lieberman on October 17, 2016, 06:37:59 PM
Great article! Bur don't tell that to Christians like John, Fred, Billnjune and George though, who support racists like Ted Bundy and who are convinced it's only the liberal media who make Republicans like Trump appear so biased and unbalanced.

For the sake of accuracy, I think it was John, not billnjune that supported Cliven (not Ted)  Bundy.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/Cliven_Bundy_(14536034469).jpg/220px-Cliven_Bundy_(14536034469).jpg)
Cliven Budy
Ted is a serial killer, you mean Cliven Bundy.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Johnny on October 17, 2016, 10:59:24 PM

Excuse my ignorance but who is he and what did he say?
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on October 18, 2016, 11:16:57 AM

For the sake of accuracy, I think it was John, not billnjune that supported Cliven (not Ted)  Bundy.


I stand corrected. I don't know why I typed Ted Bundy, familiarity I guess.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on October 18, 2016, 11:23:45 AM

Excuse my ignorance but who is he and what did he say?


Does No one Google anymore?   ;)
 
Cliven Bundy & the Radical Right Wing Republican Backward Way of Thinking, Evidenced by calling someone a Negro.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/04/24/cliven-bundys-outrageous-comments-about-the-negro/?utm_term=.0cb7169b1434

Related Story:

Defendants plead guilty in Nevada standoff near Cliven Bundy's ranch

In jail where they belong  (http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/08/blaine_cooper_gerald_delemus_p.html), No doubt to the chagrin of John.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/08/blaine_cooper_gerald_delemus_p.html


Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: matt205 on October 18, 2016, 06:38:30 PM
Republicans, at least the ones voting for Trump and that flock to his rallies like is was the Messiah, and cheer his paranoia and rhetoric as if they were nuggets of gold, are stupid. Plain and simple. I just hope Republicans can recover from this disaster and this country not morph into a one party system.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Walt Lee on October 20, 2016, 01:30:21 AM
We may not be the most Godly country in the world, but we're a better country than Donald Trump. I'm not voting Republican this year to send them a message. And the message is this, Trump is unfit to be President. I'm voting Democrat. My message to Republicans is get your act together or lose our votes. One or the other. Because nothing else seems to work.

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Fred on October 20, 2016, 11:38:58 AM
You're falling for the liberal media propaganda about Trump. How can you vote for Hillary over a good man like Trump who has raised a successful family with conservative values. Don't make the mistake of believing the liberals, Trump's rallys are packed and he is actually leading among voters. If the fix isn't in (and there is evidence it is), He will win this election. Not only is he fit to be president, he's the only one running who is and who will make changes that you all want to see.

Make America Great Again!‎
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Sportsnut on October 21, 2016, 02:08:46 PM
You're falling for the liberal media propaganda about Trump. How can you vote for Hillary over a good man like Trump

There is none god but God, and certainly Trump and good don't belong in the same sentence, even in the secular sense of the word.

I have noticed that Philly Dawg called this election the day Trump won his first primary battle saying it's a whole different constituency in the general election. Trump is his own worst enemy. And Republicans who voted for him are their own worst enemy. Did you really think this country would elect such a vile and scatter-brained man to the presidency? 

Anyone besides me been here long enough tonotice that Philly Dawg's been right about 99 percent of the time? From Saddam, to Iraq to Isis to intervention in Libya to Trump. He said before Trump emerged that the Republicans had a excellent chance to win the Presidency in 2016 with Hillary, and today I believe that would have been true with any other Republican beside Trump. What a monumental mistake. If more Republicans would think before they did something, maybe things would change. But they're too busy circling the wagons and blaming the Democrats, Media, Liberals, Minorities and Reporters for their own failures. They are their own failures.


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Don't make the mistake of believing the liberals, Trump's rallys are packed and he is actually leading among voters. If the fix isn't in (and there is evidence it is), He will win this election.

And here we go again. You, like most Trump supporters, are delusional. There is no evidence the fix is in, you are simply regurgitating what your golden idol has spoken as if there really was some substance to it. I will never understand the foolishness of some Republicans to blindly parrot a disrespectful man like Trump. People who call themselves Christian. It's so  depressing.

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: George on October 22, 2016, 08:56:55 AM
Philly Dog has no crystal ball, he doesn't know anything. This election could go either way, and I'm voting Trump because I can't vote for such a crooked woman. Men should be the leaders of a country, and they should be conservative, not liberal. We can make America great again, but it takes commitment of Christians to do the right thing. As Fred said, don't listen to the polls, they are run by liberals who want to influence the election.

Vote Republican or ruin the country more than it already is.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Chicago Bear on October 22, 2016, 11:24:41 AM

The Ugly Americans!

(http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/yabbse/User_Images/Hillary-Trump.jpg)

The Best America Has to Offer?
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: R. Anspach on October 22, 2016, 02:31:08 PM
 :ditto: L O L :laugh:
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Fred on October 23, 2016, 04:46:55 PM
Philly Dog has no crystal ball, he doesn't know anything. This election could go either way,

Yup, but the momentum is with Trump.  Philly is another liberal telling only one side of the story. As for his record, as my father use to say, "even a broken clock is right twice a day." So he was right, big deal. He's not right about this election.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on October 23, 2016, 09:28:43 PM
:feed-troll:


:-Oh-tHe-DrAma-:
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Fred on October 23, 2016, 10:39:29 PM
 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

That's actually quite funny.    Biased, but quite Funny!  :D
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Erik Diamond on October 24, 2016, 09:53:44 AM
I have already cast ballot in mail.  I am pretty sure that Clinton will win presidency. 

I can't wait for this politics drama for presidency to end November 9 with risk of Trump's childish post election stunts. It will not work because his lame threats undercut his policy message. It is too late for him anyway. 

I am looking forward to start having some good biblical discussion with some people here once again.  In fact, I already prepared some new posts.   

See you then. 😉

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Beechwood on October 24, 2016, 02:28:47 PM
Yup, but the momentum is with Trump. 

Yeah ...you keep watching FOX, the fair and balanced Network  :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce:
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Fred on October 24, 2016, 10:58:50 PM
Believe whatever you want, the polls indicate that Donald Trump won all three debates. But you won't hear that reported anywhere but Fox News because the rest are puppets of the liberal establishment. Hillary is hated, and the only way she'll win is if the election is rigged. Everyone I talk to says they are voting for Trump, so if it doesn't happen it's obviously fraud.

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on October 25, 2016, 08:48:00 AM
Believe whatever you want, the polls indicate that Donald Trump won all three debates. But you won't hear that reported anywhere but Fox News because the rest are puppets of the liberal establishment.

Really? http://www.npr.org/2016/09/28/495805190/no-donald-trump-didnt-win-post-debate-polls


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Hillary is hated, and the only way she'll win is if the election is rigged. Everyone I talk to says they are voting for Trump, so if it doesn't happen it's obviously fraud.

Read it and weep.
http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/10/25/donald-trump-admits-hes-behind-in-the-polls-but-insists-hell/21590970/
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: aquatic on October 29, 2016, 12:02:26 AM
Something big is about to happen...


Criminal HiLIARy is in serious trouble.

Stayed tuned to the news.


Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on October 29, 2016, 01:59:42 AM
Something big is about to happen...


Criminal HiLIARy is in serious trouble.


Really? Is this Trump? Don't be stupid (since you resort to name calling). This is politics as usual, like the timing of the vile comments Trump made it was politics. Most everyone has already made their minds up about the significance of the emails, so don't be jumping for joy just yet. The emails aren't even from Hillary so buy a clue. If anyone is a criminal it's Trump, the millionaire who doesn't pay taxes and assaults women.


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Stayed tuned to the news.

Stay tuned for the election.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: aquatic on October 29, 2016, 07:42:12 AM
The emails are still being released everyday. Assange,  the man responsible for releasing them says on Nov. 1 he will release emails that will have Clinton arrested.

Honestly there's already enough proof for that and she should mot even be allowed to run for President.

Here is a website that contains the worst emails SO FAR. :  www.mostdamagingwikileaks.co m

The top 100 most damaging WikiLeaks released that expose Hillary Clinton's corruption, secrets, and scandals

Even on a fundamental level, no Christian should vote for Clinton over Trump

Women are not to lead. Clinton is also pro-choice.

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Erik Diamond on October 29, 2016, 08:52:37 AM
How does God judge a corrupt nation?  By giving it a corrupt leader.  We need not to pray for this country because God is not blessing this country in general.  Pray that God have His people remain faithful, not to faint, not to become discourage, humble, compassionate, full of love, mercy, and patience.

I believe this is God ordained that this country be judged.  Well, our two choices guarantees that is the case.  Let's God's will be done.  Judgment day is on the horizon.  Our hope will be finally realized very shortly.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Lieberman on October 29, 2016, 10:13:11 AM
The emails are still being released everyday. Assange,  the man responsible for releasing them says on Nov. 1 he will release emails that will have Clinton arrested.


You're being ridiculous and making yourself look gullible. This isn't Russia (despite their involvement in our politics) and so we don't jail our political opponents. At best she's guilty of being careless. I wish you people would just admit that you hate her personally and this has nothing to do with criminal activity. Then we could respect your honesty. If you were really morally outraged, you would be equally outraged with the despicable Trump, which proves it's political not moral.

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Clifford Grodin on October 29, 2016, 06:32:06 PM
I would say  :amen:  to that Lieberman. When you're right, you're right.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Alex Rowland on October 29, 2016, 09:57:11 PM
Something big is about to happen...


Criminal HiLIARy is in serious trouble.

Stayed tuned to the news.

Yes! Trump is about to cast out all the criminals, liars and snakes from Washington and bring in a new deal.  :smileyBounce:
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Pearson on October 30, 2016, 01:15:05 AM
Yes! Trump is about to cast out all the criminals, liars and snakes from Washington and bring in a new deal.  :smileyBounce:

[Soapbox mode on]

Marr 3:23-24
  "And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand."

Ok now I've got to speak on this nonsense of whose snake has the most poison. The only thing Trump will cast out is common sense. How can so many people professing to be Christians be so delusional as to think that either Hillary or Trump will change anything in this country, or the way of the world. Can he put Satan back in the pit? All I see are angry Christians, reprobates and a lot of angry, mindless rhetoric. Trump's not bringing one ounce more of morality to this country than Hillary will. You actually believe anyone can put the genie back in the bottle? Wake up and face reality. The world is going to hell in a handbasket. They'll still be abortions, they'll still be crime, they'll still be taxes, they'll still be terrorists, jobs lost, dishonest politicians, wall street deals, and big government. Did the blessed Ronald Reagan change anything in his 8 years? No, not really, nothing actually changed. If anything, we were less moral after all was said and done. Politicians are a lot of talk, but they can't change people and people are the problem because thy are all wicked.

My thing is, it's sad to see so many of the church deceived in their over-extended  lifestyles and living just like the world. It seems as if the strong delusion God promised would come is not only in the church, but is widespread in the world also. Or maybe it's the world that has come up into the church so that I can't tell the difference in the professed Christians anymore. Trump supporters, Hillary supporters, it's all a big fat bag of different snakes snapping at each other for the top position.

Either way, it's not Christian nor moral. On that point, I one hundred percent agree with Philly Dawg. So stop with the holier-than-thou unchristian attitudes and self-righteous blabbering about the candidacies of Trump or Hillary, because it's all a lie. God will decide who will be President, and it won't be because one of these nominees is more righteous than the other. That idea is man's delusion, not His. The winner will be for his own will and purpose to be done. Not yours. You want to worry about something, worry about your angry souls and the souls of others. Not the world.

That is to say, if we're followers of Christ.

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Just My two cents

[Soapbox mode off]
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Melanie on October 30, 2016, 02:28:01 AM
 :GoodPopst: :BibleRead: Thank you Pearson!
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Reformer on October 30, 2016, 03:21:35 AM
Agreed Melanie, nice post Pearson.
      I'm also sick of both sides, neither of whom have anything to do with Christianity. Particularly tired of hearing that Trump should be the candidate Christians support. Not this Christian!  Can't imagine Christ supporting any of these  two people.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Erik Diamond on October 30, 2016, 06:01:15 AM
 :word: pearson! 
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Tony Warren on October 30, 2016, 08:24:58 AM
>>>

[Soapbox mode on]

The world is going to hell in a handbasket. Politicians are a lot of talk, but they can't change people and people are the problem because thy are all wicked.

 So stop with the holier-than-thou unchristian attitudes and self-righteous blabbering about the candidacies of Trump or Hillary, because it's all a lie. God will decide who will be President, and it won't be because one of these nominees is more righteous than the other. That idea is man's delusion, not His. The winner will be for his own will and purpose to be done. Not yours. You want to worry about something, worry about your angry souls and the souls of others. Not the world.

That is to say, if we're followers of Christ.

(http://www.trettel.com/ccrc/images/two_cents.gif)
Just My two cents

[Soapbox mode off]
<<<


...and all God's people said,  A M E N !


"nosce te ipsum"
 
Peace,
Tony Warren
"I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the Lord; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah. -Psalms 32:5"
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Jeremy on October 30, 2016, 10:00:57 AM
 :ditto:
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: George on October 30, 2016, 10:43:31 AM

...and all God's people said,  A M E N !


"nosce te ipsum"



Well, not all  :)
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Frank Mortimer on October 30, 2016, 06:41:11 PM
Criminal HiLIARy is in serious trouble.

I was tempted to use a far worse "biblical" term for Trump's adultery and enmity against God, but then I remembered I am a Christian and should show myself more "Like Christ."


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The emails are still being released everyday. Assange,  the man responsible for releasing them says on Nov. 1 he will release emails that will have Clinton arrested.

That's just outlandish and nonsensical. I expected more from Aquatic, but this kind of blind hatred is typical of what we've come to expect from Trump Supporters. People who couldn't be honest and deal with the facts if their lives depended upon it. When she's not arrested Tuesday we can expect more nonsense from people who are so filled with hate they've lost their Christian balance. Very sad to see this here on this forum.


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Even on a fundamental level, no Christian should vote for Clinton over Trump

On a Christian level, no Christian should support either candidate. So what else is new. But you choose to overlook the sins of one and condemn the other. Whatever you call it, Christ calls that hypocrisy.




Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Frank Mortimer on October 30, 2016, 06:44:07 PM

...and all God's people said,  A M E N !


"nosce te ipsum"


Well, not all  :)


On the contrary, all God's people said Amen. If you don't, that's your problem George.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: aquatic on October 31, 2016, 11:28:44 AM
Frank, i'm not really a Trump supporter. Not even a fan of politics. I have no dog in this race. Too be sure both are terrible candidates. But who really is? All sin. Jesus is not running for President.

That leaves us with a few options. Vote for the" lesser evil" or vote for no one.

Without a shadow of doubt Clinton is worse. Its not even close. I say that with no emotions and with no bias.
The facts are there if you research.

To those who mocked me. I will be accepting apologies at the appropriate time. You will know at the time.

Read" The walrus and the carpenter" by Lewis Carroll. For my thoughts on this election

The sun was shining on the sea,
Shining with all his might:
He did his very best to make
The billows smooth and bright--
And this was odd, because it was
The middle of the night.

The moon was shining sulkily,
Because she thought the sun
Had got no business to be there
After the day was done--
"It's very rude of him," she said,
"To come and spoil the fun!"

The sea was wet as wet could be,
The sands were dry as dry.
You could not see a cloud, because
No cloud was in the sky:
No birds were flying overhead--
There were no birds to fly.

The Walrus and the Carpenter
Were walking close at hand;
They wept like anything to see
Such quantities of sand:
"If this were only cleared away,"
They said, "it would be grand!"

"If seven maids with seven mops
Swept it for half a year.
Do you suppose," the Walrus said,
"That they could get it clear?"
"I doubt it," said the Carpenter,
And shed a bitter tear.

"O Oysters, come and walk with us!"
The Walrus did beseech.
"A pleasant walk, a pleasant talk,
Along the briny beach:
We cannot do with more than four,
To give a hand to each."

The eldest Oyster looked at him,
But never a word he said:
The eldest Oyster winked his eye,
And shook his heavy head--
Meaning to say he did not choose
To leave the oyster-bed.

But four young Oysters hurried up,
All eager for the treat:
Their coats were brushed, their faces washed,
Their shoes were clean and neat--
And this was odd, because, you know,
They hadn't any feet.

Four other Oysters followed them,
And yet another four;
And thick and fast they came at last,
And more, and more, and more--
All hopping through the frothy waves,
And scrambling to the shore.

The Walrus and the Carpenter
Walked on a mile or so,
And then they rested on a rock
Conveniently low:
And all the little Oysters stood
And waited in a row.

"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."

"But wait a bit," the Oysters cried,
"Before we have our chat;
For some of us are out of breath,
And all of us are fat!"
"No hurry!" said the Carpenter.
They thanked him much for that.

"A loaf of bread," the Walrus said,
"Is what we chiefly need:
Pepper and vinegar besides
Are very good indeed--
Now if you're ready, Oysters dear,
We can begin to feed."

"But not on us!" the Oysters cried,
Turning a little blue.
"After such kindness, that would be
A dismal thing to do!"
"The night is fine," the Walrus said.
"Do you admire the view?

"It was so kind of you to come!
And you are very nice!"
The Carpenter said nothing but
"Cut us another slice:
I wish you were not quite so deaf--
I've had to ask you twice!"

"It seems a shame," the Walrus said,
"To play them such a trick,
After we've brought them out so far,
And made them trot so quick!"
The Carpenter said nothing but
"The butter's spread too thick!"

"I weep for you," the Walrus said:
"I deeply sympathize."
With sobs and tears he sorted out
Those of the largest size,
Holding his pocket-handkerchief
Before his streaming eyes.

"O Oysters," said the Carpenter,
"You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But answer came there none--
And this was scarcely odd, because
They'd eaten every one.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Robert Powell on November 01, 2016, 12:51:04 AM

Without a shadow of doubt Clinton is worse. Its not even close. I say that with no emotions and with no bias.
The facts are there if you research.


First, reading your post, in my mind you obviously have both emotion and bias, as it clearly shows through with your name calling and vitriol. Second, you should rephrase your statement and say you think without a shadow of a doubt Clinton is worse. Because there is more than the shadow of a doubt in my mind who is worse. I'm sure you know God didn't appoint you as the arbiter of doubt. You can't speak for anyone but yourself.

Clinton is not worse in my mind, but I also think you have the right to not have a shadow of a doubt that she is. That's why people say this is a free country, because I have the right to disagree and say there is a shadow of a doubt, where in another country I might be put in jail or disappear. Trump is foolish, a lecher and unstable, and in my mind that is 10 times worse to have sitting in the oval office with such power in his hands, than being careless with emails. But you are entitled to your opinion.

BTW, I'm not voting for Clinton.

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Diane Moody on November 01, 2016, 03:47:58 AM
Yes! Trump is about to cast out all the criminals, liars and snakes from Washington and bring in a new deal.  :smileyBounce:

[Soapbox mode on]

Marr 3:23-24
  "And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand."

Ok now I've got to speak on this nonsense of whose snake has the most poison.

Either way, it's not Christian nor moral. On that point, I one hundred percent agree with Philly Dawg. So stop with the holier-than-thou unchristian attitudes and self-righteous blabbering about the candidacies of Trump or Hillary, because it's all a lie. God will decide who will be President, and it won't be because one of these nominees is more righteous than the other. That idea is man's delusion, not His. The winner will be for his own will and purpose to be done. Not yours. You want to worry about something, worry about your angry souls and the souls of others. Not the world.

That is to say, if we're followers of Christ.

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Just My two cents

[Soapbox mode off]

The most sensible, Christian, God fearing post thus far.  :God:Bl-U:
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Stan Pat on November 01, 2016, 06:00:55 AM
So Fred, Aquatic, Billnjune, George, John, Heckman.

   If God decides on Tuesday, November 8 that Hillary is to be President, will you support his decision? Was that his will or not?
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: George on November 01, 2016, 06:23:48 AM

Will you, when Criminal Hillary loses and Trump is President?
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Stan Pat on November 01, 2016, 09:38:33 AM

Will you, when Criminal Hillary loses and Trump is President?

Sure, I ways support God's decision. Even our President in all things lawful. Who do you think I am, Trump?
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on November 02, 2016, 03:51:29 PM
On a Christian level, no Christian should support either candidate. So what else is new. But you choose to overlook the sins of one and condemn the other. Whatever you call it, Christ calls that hypocrisy.


I hate to :beating-horse:  but Christian Trump supporters are a "Cult of Personality" and it really doesn't matter what he does they will back him. Very sad. Remember when Trump said he could stand out in the middle of the street and kill somebody and he still wouldn't lose any voters? Well, he was right! And you really can't call a person like that Christian because that doesn't make sense. These Trump supporters are blind to his evil and nip picking on emails as if it were murder. 
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Soldier on November 08, 2016, 04:40:19 AM

Get out and vote today everyone. No matter who you are voting for, it's your duty as an american to vote.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on November 09, 2016, 03:27:27 AM

Wow! Donald The Trump wins?  :S_Confused: Boy was I wrong. A nightmare four years upcoming. I guess there really is no accounting for the ignorance of the American people.

Now I know the world is coming to an end. Sour Grapes anyone?  ;)
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Erik Diamond on November 09, 2016, 03:49:20 AM
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Wow! Donald The Trump wins?  :S_Confused:

I was surprised too. Doesn't matter, I felt we only had two bad choices anyway.

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A nightmare four years upcoming.

I afraid so. I am worried about what Trump will do and how the world reacts.  I even thought maybe Mr. Trump may be the last president of the United States before Christ comes.  It is just me. :thinker:

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Now I know the world is coming to an end.

I wholeheartedly agree, especially the spiritual condition of the church as the ground zero of the battle of Armageddon.   Now I am going to bed and try to sleep knowing that we can trust and give glory to Lord Jesus because His Will be Done.

Good night or good morning, Philly.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on November 09, 2016, 04:30:35 AM
   Now I am going to bed and try to sleep knowing that we can trust and give glory to Lord Jesus because His Will be Done.

Good night or good morning, Philly.

Yup! That is our consolation. God is in charge. No need to waste our money on PACs, a plane ticket, ammo, or a fallout shelter ;)

  Good Night America!
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Fred on November 09, 2016, 07:10:33 AM

HA Ha Ha! Who's Your Daddy!    Let the Healing Begin

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How Ya Like Me Now!
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: George on November 09, 2016, 04:57:26 PM
Oh Yeah! No more being the downtrodden!  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Stan Pat on November 09, 2016, 07:33:28 PM
It's a sad painful day for half of the American population. Actually More than half, since Hillary won the majority of people's votes. Trump actually had less people in America vote for him, but won the election by electorate. Democracy? So Sad.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on November 09, 2016, 09:17:20 PM
Oh Yeah! No more being the downtrodden!  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

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Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Fred on November 09, 2016, 10:41:40 PM
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 |   :smileyBounce: Dawg! I'm surprised. You're taking this victory of ours fairly well :)
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Lieberman on November 10, 2016, 04:53:47 AM
Oh Yeah! No more being the downtrodden!  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

Downtrodden? Oh that's rich Fred.  :(  Let's just wait and see how great and prosperous America will be under Trump. You have no more excuses about how the liberals and Democrats in Washington were preventing everything from getting done and America from being great. Now you have to take full responsibility for all the nonsense that will occur in Washington. I don't want to hear any Boloney about liberals and Democrats blocking everything. Now we're going to see that this was all just a mixture of smoke and mirrors and hot air. Let's see if America gets worse rather than better. Then maybe you'll recognize that God is in control and it wasn't liberals but you who are the culprits in this society. That man is just inherently evil, and these kids were products of you and your policies.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on November 10, 2016, 08:27:12 AM
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 |   :smileyBounce: Dawg! I'm surprised. You're taking this victory of ours fairly well :)

Why? What should I do? Rant on how the election is fixed and was stolen by the other side, like your boy Trump does? I think I respect myself a little better than that.

Frankly, I'm kinda glad Hillary didn't get in and very sad Trump got in. Kinda schitzoprenic, huh?
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Diane Moody on November 11, 2016, 09:23:35 AM
Everyone is trying to figure out how the polls got it all wrong.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: aquatic on November 11, 2016, 11:50:07 AM
Guys, don't worry. America made the correct choice. Here's why:

Trump says he wants our military for the purpose of defense and wants our country out of these unending wars. He wants to improve our foreign relations.

Hillary is a warmonger with the resume' to prove it:

She says President Obama was wrong not to launch missile strikes on Syria in 2013.
She pushed hard for the overthrow of Qadaffi in 2011.
She supported the coup government in Honduras in 2009.
She has backed escalation and prolongation of war in Afghanistan.
She voted for the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
She skillfully promoted the White House justification for the war on Iraq.
She does not hesitate to back the use of drones for targeted killing.
She has consistently backed the military initiatives of Israel.
She was not ashamed to laugh at the killing of Qadaffi.
She has not hesitated to warn that she could obliterate Iran.
She is not afraid to antagonize Russia.
She helped facilitate a military coup in Ukraine.
She has the financial support of the arms makers and many of their foreign customers.
She waived restrictions at the State Department on selling weapons to Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, Oman, and Qatar, all states wise enough to donate to the Clinton Foundation.
She supported President Bill Clinton's wars and the power of the president to make war without Congress.
She has advocated for arming fighters in Syria.
She supported a surge in Iraq even before President Bush did.

Here she is laughing at the death of Gaddafi, the leader of Libya https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UtH7iv4ip1U

In my opinion that is worse than any audio clip of Trump.

We have 30,000 dead in Libya
               470,000 dead in Syria with millions displaced all thru the actions of Hillary.

Add the fact she's pro-choice.

Everyone focuses on Trumps chracter flaws. Its superficial. Look at his goals and they are pretty good for the most part. Look at Hillary's history. My goodness it's a bloody mess.

Give Trump a chance. Hopefully he will do what he says.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on November 11, 2016, 02:45:26 PM
That's just dumb, but typical of those who support this vile man.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Philly Dawg on November 11, 2016, 03:07:53 PM
Everyone is trying to figure out how the polls got it all wrong.

It's not rocket science, although the prognosticators would have you believe it is a mystery. Most reasonable people are ashamed or at least embarrassed by Trump, but they hate Hillary even more. So when asked by the pollsters who they would vote for, they simply lied. Mystery, that is no mystery, solved.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: George on November 11, 2016, 06:14:51 PM

Now that the election is over, we can get back to having a DEAD FORUM :)
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Erik Diamond on November 11, 2016, 07:10:59 PM
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Now that the election is over, we can get back to having a DEAD FORUM

Sorry to disappoint you, George, but this forum is much alive with guests reading, printing or posting on our forum. That is the purpose of having forum open this way so anyone, including the ones who are not members yet, can read posts anytime. 

I have monitored it long enough to know that we have an average of hundreds, if not thousands, of guests and couple of regular members A DAY!  Just because the regular members didn't post lately does not mean the forum is dead. Beside, if you think this is a dead forum, then why do you bother to come here anyway?  Miss us?

Check out how many are currently reading on our forum: 

http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/yabbse/index.php?action=who (http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/yabbse/index.php?action=who)

Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: aquatic on November 12, 2016, 06:03:39 AM
Seriously.. P. Dawg?

I give you facts about Hillary responsible for the deaths of half a million people, while also laughing about the death of a human being and all you can say is" that's just dumb"

Really? Shame on you

You state how you don't really like either of the candidates, but go out of your way to bash Trump and not Hillary. Trump is a vile man? Definitely. Is not Hillary worse? I'll take the ego maniac with a foolish mouth over the blood thirsty warmonger any day.

But hey.... no one cares...Trump called someone a fatty!

Lets hope Trump keeps his word and doesn't become a warmonger like Clinton.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: John on November 12, 2016, 06:25:56 PM
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"...Hillary responsible for the deaths of half a million people, while also laughing about the death of a human being and all you can say is" that's just dumb"

Consider that Hillary smiles gleefully as she explains her belief that murdering babies is some protected right. She grins as she states  the left's mantra "a woman's right to choose", but finish the thought - choose what? What are woman supposed to have the right to choose? For Hillary and most on the left, it is the right to have a doctor half-deliver a full-term baby and stab the baby in the back of the head as it is born. Then it is the right of the mother to have her baby's brains sucked out through a tube and the corpse thrown into the trash.

And most on the left gives a hearty amen to the daily murder of babies. Is it any wonder that Hillary is callous toward human life? Is it any wonder that the remainder of the sane voting public overruled Hillary as being qualified to be president (besides her committing perjury, habitually lying, her criminal neglect of state secrets, her selling of access to the State Department, her and her husband's laundering pay-for-play contributions from foreign governments seeking favors through her foundation, using foundation contributions to pay her daughters living expenses and wedding costs, covering up all of it by stone-walling Congress, failing to obey subpoenas, destroying evidence, encouraging her staff to lie on her behalf, corrupting the Justice Department and the FBI, and a host of other offenses too numerous to mention.

Donald is an unregenerate man who is a crude and petulant child, and has behaved as base and wickedly as many on the left. But the voters wanted change - they saw a glimmer of hope that Donald will indeed "drain the D.C. swamp" and return the country back to its founding principles. These are not right-wing loons or stupid Christians blindly following Trump, as one person has repeated charged. These are people sick and tired of the left-wing agenda of division, pitting black against white, the lawless against the law protectors, the poor against the rich, women against men, illegals against citizens, over and over seeking divisiveness to advance their neo-marxist agenda.

Despite Trumps failure as a human being, more people want to return to civility, to the rule of law, to sanity. They are tired of the Left governing devoid of a moral center where all that matters is the advancement of liberalism, laws and consequences be damned. They are tired of the left validating that men can be woman, of men self-identifying as women or animals or plants and having these mentally ill people applauded and policies changed to support their lunacy. They are tired of students pretending to be afraid of opposing viewpoints, of the left setting up safe-zones where you can pat a puppy and have some hot chocolate as you cry over Hillary's defeat. They are tired of the Left destroying public property, physically attacking their opponents, smashing car windows, shooting police officers, robbing stores, burning cities, and claiming blacks are being gunned down as the reason.

Reasonable people are tired of watching Republicans raise the dept ceiling over and over as the national debt skyrockets under Obama to unimaginable heights. They are tired of progressive Republicans cowering in fear, fearful that they will be blamed for shutting down the corrupt over-reaching, bloated government. Of progressive Republicans too weak willed to stand up against the lawlessness of the Left for fear of being called a racist or sexist. They want change ... and Hillary could only offer more open borders, more free-flow of terrorists into the country, more taxes on business and working families, more inflation and stagnation, more regulations to control Americans, more unconstitutional policies, more lawless executive actions, more loss of protected freedoms under a huge, diabolical governmental system that fails miserably at everything it does.

So, Hillary was not just a warmonger she was also an appeaser that destabilized foreign governments. Her policies emboldened our enemies and brought millions of men, woman, and children nothing but death and misery (including the persecution of Christians). Under Obama, she made the United States the largest state sponsor of terrorism. But she always made sure to enrich herself, gaining hundreds of millions of dollars in the process. Hillary is a nasty, uncouth woman who had to practice her facial expressions because her natural face is unattractive: anger. And her natural voice is shrill, demanding, and intolerant. No one likes her, not even the DNC or the Left in general. Everyone fears being insulted and abused by her. The Secret Service and law enforcement agents that she derides daily have nothing but contempt for her.

All in all, she was a terrible candidate. If Donald had not also been such a lousy candidate then Hillary would have lost by far more than she did. The Left destroyed the health-care system and turned this country and nations overseas into a disaster area, and Americans know it. The media, Hollywood, and elites cannot hide the wickedness that under-girds their party. It is a party made up of: Anarchists, Progressive, Leftist, Marxist, and Socialist (plus assorted felons and dead-beats).

Enough people are awake in this election to put an end to the march of Communism, for now. It will return though with a new figure head, some other corrupt liar who will promise a "Yes-We-Can" Utopian vision that promises a free-lunch, and free health-care, free college, free dental, free vision, low-cost housing, free food, free childcare, more employer paid vacations and maternity leave, capped off with a $50 minimum wage and we'll right back fighting to keep American from being destroyed from within, yet again.

If you don't like what I wrote: please head to your nearest "safe space" where you can pat a puppy or hug a kitten and have some chocolate until you feel better. Poor little snowflakes.

john
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: SavedByGrace on November 12, 2016, 07:50:30 PM
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John,
This was one of the very best post on this thread.  I voted for Trump for these reasons and proud of it.  I hope that the future keeps me proud.

Bill
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Rose on November 12, 2016, 08:27:18 PM
Oh Wow! Isn't it amazing how all the closet racists and bigot supporters come out of the woodwork like roaches after Trump wins, but were mysteriously silent all during the campaign. Philly Dawg called it right, they were all ashamed and embarrassed to come out in the light to support such a pig when they thought it was unpopular, now they feel self justified to wave the anti-government flag and stick out their chests like natzis. The White-lash is alive and well in America. 

We all know John supported Bundy's racist comments that negroes were better off when they were slaves because they had work to keep them busy. He had the unmitigated nerve to call it "only seemingly racist." So where his head is is obvious. Not to mention his continued support of the racist rantings of Reformed authors writings during slavery. Like we're supposed to give them a pass because Slavery and brutal treatment of blacks were legal then. These are all facts you can read in the forum. That's the good thing about racist rants, they remain on the Internet forever.

And of  course Billnjune isn't much better hiding like a scared rabbit. Now they want to stick out their chests as if America now supports Trump. Don't feel so justified. For your information John, far more people in this country voted for Hillary and you know that. So stop with this silly online chest bumping implying some sort of mandate. A mandate would mean Trump won by a large margin of people, not in a close election where he lost the popular vote and only won because of the electorate. That's not real democracy, unless you don't understand what the word means.

I don't get people who hide in the woodwork like a pack of roaches, or a snake hiding in the grass until he gets the opportunity to strike when the prey is weakest. But Trumps not going to do anything the morons who voted for him thinks he will. There will be no wall, there will be unemployment as Businesses get all the tax breaks, while they place more robots to put more people out of work. Same thing everytime a Republican takes office. Trickle down doesn't work. It never has worked, it ruins the economy every time. I just wish the moderator would keep racist out of a Christian forum.
Title: Re: Next President of the US 2017
Post by: Admin on November 12, 2016, 08:59:03 PM

This thread is getting out of hand because very few of you seem to be able to curb your emotions or show any courtesy. Rules are violated and frankly, the election is over and I for one am sick of hearing about it.

Therefore, I am locking this thread. Hopefully, some of you will cool down. It's a shame we have to have time-outs for adults but this is the world we live in.