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Title: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: William B on February 11, 2014, 07:00:28 AM
Reading some of these posts that go back for years, I am struct by the constant implication of some to spiritual insanity. Which leads me to my question. Does what we know as insanity, or more to the point the criminally insane, actually exist. Or is it simply the evil spirits within us? For example, a man who open fires in a school or kills and eats people, is he actually insane or is that just another example of the evil one working in him? I am on the fence on this one so any  comments will be helpful.
Title: Re: Does Insanity Exist or is it Simply Evil Spirits in Man?
Post by: Laura Tomlinson on February 11, 2014, 05:15:18 PM

I think insanity exists. I'm just not sure that this country is doing the right thing in making it an excuse for criminal activity. Insane or not, lawbreakers should not be justified by some doctor declaring that they are still insane or have been cured from insanity where they can be set free back into society. Not until after they've completed the same sentence anyone else has to. If that makes any sense.

 Mark 5:15 "And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid".

Christ equated insanity to sin and a person being controlled by Satan. Let's not lose sight of that.
Title: Re: Does Insanity Exist or is it Simply Evil Spirits in Man?
Post by: clark thompson on February 12, 2014, 07:55:36 AM
It don't think there are as many cases of things that the so called doctors say there are but in some cases I do believe it happens like a flu for the brain and sometimes like an uncureable sickness to the brain.
Title: Re: Does Insanity Exist or is it Simply Evil Spirits in Man?
Post by: William B on February 12, 2014, 08:24:01 AM
In the real sense, aren't liberals insane? Couldn't a case be made that those who tattoo their face or are anarexic or can't control their temper or habits of constantly eating are insane?

My only point being, if you leave it up to Psychiatrists nearly anyone can be diagnosed as insane because there is no actual test.

Title: Re: Does Insanity Exist or is it Simply Evil Spirits in Man?
Post by: Reformer on February 17, 2014, 04:43:43 AM
In the real sense, aren't liberals insane?

Yes! And a lot of conservatives also. If insanity is severe mental illness characterized by the condition of having unsoundness of mind, being deranged, unbalanced or in a unhinged state of the mind, then a case can be made that all unsaved people are insane. Whether they be conservative or liberal. Some dictionaries define insanity as extreme folly or unreasonableness or someone being utterly foolish or illogical. Thus all unsaved people qualify.

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Couldn't a case be made that those who tattoo their face or are anarexic or can't control their temper or habits of constantly eating are insane?

Yes. Because they have an unsound mind, showing themselves deranged, unbalanced, unhinged, exhibiting extreme folly or unreasonableness in being utterly foolish and illogical.


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My only point being, if you leave it up to Psychiatrists nearly anyone can be diagnosed as insane because there is no actual test.

My test is the Bible. Those who say there is no God and who dishonor and mock Him are insane spiritually.

Title: Re: Does Insanity Exist or is it Simply Evil Spirits in Man?
Post by: Betty on February 17, 2014, 05:29:52 PM

So let me get this straight. Now you're implying that insanity doesn't exist, and it's not a medical condition, it's all just sin? Where is your proof of this? Where is your medical study? What are your credentials to make such a claim?
Title: Re: Does Insanity Exist or is it Simply Evil Spirits in Man?
Post by: Fred on February 28, 2014, 03:28:21 AM

So let me get this straight. Now you're implying that insanity doesn't exist, and it's not a medical condition, it's all just sin? Where is your proof of this? Where is your medical study? What are your credentials to make such a claim?

It's just their opinion Betty. Like Predestination and Replacement theology, they don't need any proof. They just say it and it becomes doctrine. We all know sin of a child and of the mentally ill is not accounted to them. Some mental illness is caused by a Chemical imbalance. That's medical.
Title: Re: Does Insanity Exist or is it Simply Evil Spirits in Man?
Post by: Reformer on May 28, 2014, 06:34:26 AM

So let me get this straight. Now you're implying that insanity doesn't exist, and it's not a medical condition, it's all just sin? Where is your proof of this? Where is your medical study? What are your credentials to make such a claim?

No, I'm not implying that. I'm saying that there are all kinds of insanity.

 Ps 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

The word fool means senseless or not having the faculties or mental capacity to perceive reality. In a word, insanity. Meaning mental instability. Yes I'm saying the unsaved are insane spiritually. That's not to say there are not some who are mentally ill, it is to say all unsaved are. When I hear atheists rant on about God, there is no question in my mind that they are mentally incapable of understanding reality, just like the insane.
Title: Re: Does Insanity Exist or is it Simply Evil Spirits in Man?
Post by: Reformer on May 28, 2014, 06:42:46 AM

So let me get this straight. Now you're implying that insanity doesn't exist, and it's not a medical condition, it's all just sin? Where is your proof of this? Where is your medical study? What are your credentials to make such a claim?

It's just their opinion Betty. Like Predestination and Replacement theology, they don't need any proof. They just say it and it becomes doctrine.

Predestination is not an opinion, it is a biblical fact. Just like the Theology that the nation of Israel set among the nations to represent the Covenant, is no more. The nation of Israel set among the nations to represent the Covenant is now the Church on earth.

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We all know sin of a child and of the mentally ill is not accounted to them. Some mental illness is caused by a Chemical imbalance. That's medical.

The sin of a child and of the mentally ill is accountable as any other sin is. That's why we have Christ, to pay for the sins of the child and the mentally ill. Your theology is one of personal opinion, rather than of the Bible.
Title: Re: Does Insanity Exist or is it Simply Evil Spirits in Man?
Post by: Fred on August 25, 2014, 01:13:04 PM
Insanity exists because why else would some Christians hate the Jews and seek to take their rightful place from them? Especially when they know that God loves them? Yes, insanity exists.
Title: Re: Does Insanity Exist or is it Simply Evil Spirits in Man?
Post by: Roger Dodson on August 26, 2014, 08:42:26 AM
I have often wondered if superstition and insanity are related? The Japanese believe there are a billion deities. Isn't that a form of insanity? There isn't a shred of logic or evidence for such reasoning, in fact it lacks reason. Isn't a lack of reasoning a form of insanity?
Title: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Jon Thomas on December 05, 2017, 02:54:56 PM
Tony,
   I've only been here a short period of time as you know but I am impressed with the knowledge of scripture I see presented here. My question is what is this spiritual insanity that you and others have referenced from time to time. I've never heard it mentioned anywhere but here so if you could enlighten me, I would be most grateful. Thanks.
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Jesse on December 07, 2017, 06:59:05 AM
It's like Virtual Insanity, only Spiritual  ;D
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Tony Warren on December 08, 2017, 08:33:31 AM
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Tony,
   I've only been here a short period of time as you know but I am impressed with the knowledge of scripture I see presented here. My question is what is this spiritual insanity that you and others have referenced from time to time. I've never heard it mentioned anywhere but here so if you could enlighten me, I would be most grateful. Thanks.
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Spiritual Insanity is a type of mental impairment or spiritual madness where our thinking becomes unbalanced, unsound and even delusional. It is actually a term "gleaned" from the Scripture where someone has the spirit of Satan wherein they are viewed as not in their right mind, and thus by implication, insane. In Scripture God uses insanity as a portrait of the unsound or actually unreasonable behavior of the unsaved who are in bondage to the Devil. You've heard people who are struggling with some sin or personal issues, etc.,  viewed as "those who are struggling with their Demons?". Well, that's not entirely a unbiblical idiom. Because in Scripture physical insanity was used by God as a symbol of one whose mind was spiritually ill or sick, being in bondage to Satan's delusion. God uses man's mental maladies to illustrate they are spiritually fools, simpletons or insanity in Scripture to paint a portrait of those who spiritually do not think or act with sound reasoning. By being deceived by Satan their mind is "not right" as it is a slave to confusion and turmoil. And this is where we get the term "Spiritual Insanity." It is a spiritual disorder of the mind that comes from having a spirit of delusion, a type of spiritual psychosis of those whose mind is not set free in Christ. In Spiritual insanity the truth seems like a lie and what is sound seems unsound, what is right seems wrong, the mind is in total spiritual confusion.

2nd Timothy 1:7

The opposite of the sound or sober mind of true Christians is spiritual insanity. It is when the spirit is not right and one's mind is not sober or sound. For example, Christ miraculously healed a man that was insane, which (like all of the miracles Christ did) painted this portrait of God's miraculous power to bring healing to the spiritually sick mind through the efficacy of His death and resurrection. i.e., the physical miraculous healing of the insane man was a "sign" or token of the Spiritual healing of our spiritual insanity. e.g.:

Mark 5:1-8

God uses the demon's control over the mind of this man as a picture of mankind before they are set free of bondage to Satan. The man who was "not in his right mind" was a insane man divinely used of Christ as a token of all those in bondage to the Devil and who dwell in the tombs (presence of death) and who are spiritually as a wild and raging beast that cannot be tamed. Christ's healing of this man is illustrative of the power of God to bring the peace of a sound mind to the Spiritually Insane. This man was miraculously healed as a sign to illustrate Christ's miraculous power in salvation.

Mark 5:15

Here again we see the possession of the Devil equated to being unsaved and out of his mind, whereas Christ's healing removes the Devil and heals the sin sick mind. The man was set free of the Devil and given a sober mind, a right mind, the mind of Christ in His blessed hope.

1st Peter 1:13

When we are saved we are Spiritually clothed in the righteousness of Christ and SThe sober mind is the right mind. A mind where spiritually (in our right mind) the Devil has been cast out of us. In its pragmatic sense, spiritual insanity is the worldly unsound aversion to reconciliation with God, a mindless rejection of receiving the truth and righteousness, a fool's errand to remain in bondage to the Devil and sin. We could just as easily call it a spiritual foolishness or a spiritual delusion, but it's all pointing to the same unsound spiritual condition or disorder.

2nd Thessalonians 2:9-13

Spiritual delusion or spiritual insanity, the mind that is fooled, beguiled or duped. The moral of this story of 2nd Thessalonians, not all in the church will receive the truth in love, because many don't love the truth. They love self-justification over truth. This strong delusion is a spirit of fraudulence where one a mind that allows them to believe sinful man's lies and deceptions. In practical terms, it is a spirit of straying from orthodoxy or sound Christian principles in this rejection of the truth. How many times have you seen this realized? You witness to someone the obvious and unadulterated truth of Scripture (word for word), and yet they reject God's word of truth for man made interpretations? That's exactly what that passage says, they just won't receive the truth in love. Truly, they don't really know what love is, because to them truth appears loveless, judgmental and arrogant.

These passages are divinely inspired of God to have us recognize the spiritual delusion in the bondage of the Devil. In its truest form, delusion is nothing but man's own deceitful will that moves him to dishonestly work against the truth. The spirit of the beast makes them  spiritually insane, their mind being in spiritual slavery.

By contrast, that last verse reiterates he truth of the sober thinking Christian:

2nd Thessalonians 2:13

Beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth.  Therein is the difference between the Elect of the church blessed with sound minds that believe the truth when they hear it, and the false or pseudo Christians with unsound minds deluded to trample the truth under foot in their zeal to justify themselves and their own will. Why? Because unlike the insane man God healed, God did not truly through the Spirit give them a right/sound mind. They merely took His name upon themselves, but never His Spirit. Again:

2nd Timothy 1:7

The Spirit is the power of a sound mind. Christians are to be sober minded, as opposed to having a mind of fearfulness and of confusion and unrest and turmoil, which is this type of spiritual disorder. Spiritual insanity is the secret persona of the Devil within man that provokes and causes fear and unrest where people are careful of many things, the least of which is service to God. Perfect love casts out fear. Hope that helps a little.

"nosce te ipsum"
 
Peace,
Tony Warren
"I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the Lord; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah. -Psalms 32:5"
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Reformer on June 28, 2018, 05:32:14 AM
Tony,
   I've only been here a short period of time as you know but I am impressed with the knowledge of scripture I see presented here. My question is what is this spiritual insanity that you and others have referenced from time to time. I've never heard it mentioned anywhere but here so if you could enlighten me, I would be most grateful. Thanks.

It's what we see all over the world today as Satan is loosed to wreck havoc upon society and assure the unfaithful church receives in themselves the name of the beast.

 Pr 23:9  Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.
 10  Remove not the old landmark; and enter not into the fields of the fatherless:
 11 For their redeemer is mighty; he shall plead their cause with thee.
 12  Apply thine heart unto instruction, and thine ears to the words of knowledge.


Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Apostolic on July 04, 2018, 01:50:12 AM
Funny how you two can believe in spiritual insanity which isn't even in the bible and no one can prove, but not believe in the gifts of the spirit which is in the bible and is proved every day in the world.
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Lieberman on July 08, 2018, 12:16:10 AM
They believe in the gifts of the spirit, just not in the delusion of modern day tongues. ...which is all kinds of crazy.
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Reformer on July 11, 2018, 02:07:24 AM
They believe in the gifts of the spirit, just not in the delusion of modern day tongues. ...which is all kinds of crazy.

 )iagree(  Beside, what is Strong Delusion if not spiritual insanity? It's being deceived spiritually concerning your relationship with Christ. It's a irrationality, having a spirit of Satan while thinking you have the spirit of Christ. Even though the two are as diametrically opposed to each other as light is to darkness. If that's not lunacy, crazy, demented and insane, I don't know what is.

But then again, I think there is a lot of spiritual insanity in the church today, and even in this forum.


Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: George on July 12, 2019, 01:12:48 AM
Tony,
   I've only been here a short period of time as you know but I am impressed with the knowledge of scripture I see presented here. My question is what is this spiritual insanity that you and others have referenced from time to time.

What others? The fact is, only Tony and Reformer use this term because it's not an actual doctrine, it's something Tony Warren contrived and Reformer latched onto. You don't find it mentioned anywhere in scripture because the author is Tony Warren. My advice would be to go with actual doctrine and allegories that Christ authored, not fancy phrases invented by Tony.


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I've never heard it mentioned anywhere but here so if you could enlighten me, I would be most grateful. Thanks.

There's your first clue sherlock. You've never heard it mentioned because this is the first time you came to the forum and read Tony Warren. He's the only one teaching this. The only insanity is to follow the spiritualized teaching of man. Reformer is calling people fools who take the Bible literally, and I think the fool is those who don't. Was the man Christ healed spiritually insane or literally insane? There is your answer.
 

Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Mila Ostrovsky on July 12, 2019, 08:47:42 AM
George. Do you seriously not understand the concept of being of unsound mind or are you just ranting?
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Erik Diamond on July 12, 2019, 11:47:00 AM
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George. Do you seriously not understand the concept of being of unsound mind or are you just ranting?

Mila, that is George's MO here. He made emotional ranting, whining, mocking, and criticizing about what Tony, Reformer, me, and others wrote here. He even did not come back and defend his position after we refuted it with our posts. This is how people like him does here.

 
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Mila Ostrovsky on July 12, 2019, 01:18:30 PM
So sad  :'(
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Stephanie on July 12, 2019, 02:33:48 PM
But is it really that important that we know if miracles have ceased or not? It's not essential is it?
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: David Knoles on July 13, 2019, 01:13:25 AM
Mila, that is George's MO here. He made emotional ranting, whining, mocking, and criticizing about what Tony, Reformer, me, and others wrote here.

Her Erik. Don't condemn a guy just because he doesn't get it. I don't get it. Apostolic doesn't get it. I'm sure a whole lot of other people don't get it including the Reformed minister Matt Slick from CARM. Don't make like you are so smart and everyone else is a moron because we don't get it. Many Reformed theologians either say they think miracles still occur or they have no opinion either way. So have some respect for other people's opinions on what they read in scripture.
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Rose on July 13, 2019, 10:18:50 AM
Mila, that is George's MO here.

Her Erik. Don't condemn a guy just because he doesn't get it. I don't get it. Apostolic doesn't get it. I'm sure a whole lot of other people don't get it including the Reformed minister Matt Slick from CARM. Don't make like you are so smart and everyone else is a moron because we don't get it.

 )Goodpoint(  Sorry Erik, I don't get it either. I believe in miracles today. If you don't have faith, that's a weakness on your part.

Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Tony Warren on July 14, 2019, 02:45:56 AM
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My question is what is this spiritual insanity that you and others have referenced from time to time.

What others? The fact is, only Tony and Reformer use this term because it's not an actual doctrine, it's something Tony Warren contrived
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Contrived as in created or arranged in an artificial or unrealistic way? Well, it was deliberately created, but not by me. In truth, Spiritual Insanity is a debilitating sin "condition" of the mind caused by the fall. It is characterized by an unsound, unordered and unreasonable mind. None of us were in our right mind when we were walking around dead in trespass and sin. Our minds were in a state of senselessness and corruption. Sin is the self-defeating behavior of the unsaved fool, because he is unordered, desperately wicked and deceitful above all things. This is not the condition of a man in his right mind, rather it is a mind that is cursed and separated from right thinking. A mind that is not in balance and union with the mind of Christ. Until Christ heals our mind, we are all "not in our right mind."  The lesson of Christ miraculously healing the insane man in the tombs was divinely ordained and used of God as a "token or representation" of all those who are spiritually dead, dwelling in the tombs (presence of death), being set free from their infirmity by being mended and restored to their right mind. As Scripture illustrates that man was as a wild and raging beast in the tombs that couldn't be tamed, so spiritually were we before the regeneration in Christ. Christ's healing of this man was illustrative of the power of God to bring the peace of mind to the Spiritually Insane. As I said previously, this man was miraculously healed as a sign/signification or miracle illustrating Christ's miraculous power in renewing our mind. Again:

Mark 5:15

Mental derangement or imbalance (instability or irrationality) God used to "represent" the mind of man"before" he is brought peace and reconciled to God wherein we have the mind of Christ.

Colossians 1:21

We were enemies of God in our mind because we weren't right in our mind. Clearly that was before, but now we have been rought peace of mind in reconciliation to God.


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You don't find it mentioned anywhere in scripture because the author is Tony Warren.
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You are correct that you won't find the exact phrase "Spiritual Insanity" mentioned in Scripture. Neither the phrase "Water Baptism." Neither the phrase "Spiritual Bread." Neither the phrase "Spiritual Armor," "Spiritual Serpent," "Spiritual Sword," "Spiritually Deaf," "Spiritual Water," "Spiritual Candlestick," "Spiritual Bondage," "Spiritual Lamb," "Spiritual Nakedness," and a thousand other phrases we all know are "clearly spoken of" in Scriptures and just as clearly authored by God.

Revelation 3:17

Yet you won't find the exact phrase "Spiritually Pool, Spiritually Blind or Spiritually Naked" listed anywhere in Scripture. Does that make the actual condition of Spiritual Blindness untrue? And so the phrase not being in Scripture is no more an invalidation of the condition as the phrase "Spiritually Poor," "Spiritually Blind," or "Spiritually Naked" not being in scripture invalidates those quite Biblical phrases. Because what it delineates is Clearly defined "in" Scripture. Really, it's not difficult to understand that the mind is infirmed spiritually, which is the reason that it had to be transformed and renovated (translated renewed) in Christ. Because it was unsound.

Romans 12:2

We didn't undergo a simple outward disconformity to the wickedness of the unsaved populace, because even unsaved people can do good outwardly and do virtuous and good things. Rather, there was a inward spiritual mental healing wherein our mind is restored to sound, sober, rational thinking. That we might be obedient, having been renovated to agree with the mind of Christ. The mind is now different in its earnest desire to do the will of God because it is renewed Changed motives, mean and ends in a way unattainable except through the power of the healing of Christ. No longer spiritually our of order, but made whole in Christ.


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My advice would be to go with actual doctrine and allegories that Christ authored, not fancy phrases invented by Tony.
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Sound advice. And since Christ authored the healing of our "Spiritual Insanity," just as surely as He did the healing of our "Spiritual Blindness, Nakedness and Deafness," I would say that's exactly what I am doing. As saith the preacher, the heart of man is full of evil and madness. All men have this madness and folly, even as they will assure you they have no corruption of the mind. That's what delusion is. Nevertheless, being truly of unsound mind, they are indeed in need of a healing.

Ecclessiastes 9:3

The Lord makes the sun to shine upon the wicked and the righteous, both have good physical health and infirmity. The only difference is that upon the children of God was bestowed relief from their spiritual malady, a relief from this madness so they might not live out their lives with a mind and spirit of fear. It is only through His sovereign grace and love that we who were once of unsound mind, may live out our lives in a right mind that is atuned to righteousness. Even as the insane man Christ healed in the tombs.

2nd Timothy 1:7

In the Greek "to make" or "to bring" to a sound mind. "That" is what Christ did for us.

 
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He's the only one teaching this. The only insanity is to follow the spiritualized teaching of man.
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The old, he has a Devil and is mad retort? Unknown to you, the devil actually has everything to do with madness. Spiritual Madness.

John 10:20

Not a novel approach because many said the same thing of Christ and His disciples. Ironically they were the ones who had a Devil and were Spiritually Mad. Selah. Nevertheless, the teachings those condemned by the world   were sound of mind and Spirit. But I will agree with you on one thing. No one should follow the spiritualized teachings of man, but they should follow the Spiritualized teachings of God. ...which teachings permeate the entire Bible from beginning to end. e.g.:

Galatians 4:23-24

The question is, are we of the bondwoman or the free? Are we bound by the flesh or of the Spirit? Are we of the Jerusalem in the middle east or the Jerusalem from above? Were we infirmed by being "Spiritually Blind" and healed by Christ or is this Spiritualizing authored by man?


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Was the man Christ healed spiritually insane or literally insane?
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The man Christ healed was literally insane and God used that to illustrate the Spiritual Insanity that Christ alone could heal. Was the man Lazarus spiritually dead or Physically dead? He was literally dead, and God used that to illustrate the Spiritual Death of man that Christ alone could resurrect him from. This is the very same principle. All miracles that were done in Scripture (every single one) are signs or representative tokens pointing us to some aspect of the nature of the gospel. whether that be putting a man in his right mind or of raising a man from the dead, the sign is of the sin-sick soul being healed spiritually in Christ.

Mar 3:10-11

Christ is equating the sicknesses with an evil spirit signifying they were spiritually in bondage to Satan. The evil spirits were subject to Him and when they were cast out the people were healed. That's what happens every time someone is saved. That old Serpent can no longer harm them as they have been set free of him. The point being, the literal miracles they did "represented" spiritual healing. When Christ literally healed the man that was out of his mind and put him in his right mind, that "represented" our spiritual healing wherein we are placed in a right state of mind.

Insanity is defined as being slow mentally as in a form of mental retardation. It is an infirmity that Christ healed just as He healed blindness, the palsy (paralytic), deafness or blindness. To say these healings have nothing to do with spiritual disorders is to dabble in Biblical absurdity. They ALL pointed to the spiritual condition of man that was healed by Christ's stripes. When Christ healed this man with a mental disorder and left him in his right mind, that was an illustration of man being renewed or restore to sound reasoning in the mind of Christ. We now have a mind characterized by us being spiritually wise and reasonable, a mind that is stable because Christ has taken away its infirmity.


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Indeed.

Titus 1:15

Every mind of every unsaved person is defiled, sick, corrupt, that he cannot think right because he is spiritually unsound. Likewise, every mind of those with the spirit of Christ has had their sanity restored where they think soundly rather than in the previous unsound, disjointed and unbalanced fashion.

2nd Timothy 1:7

"nosce te ipsum"
 
Peace,
Tony Warren
"i acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the Lord; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah. -Psalms 32:5"
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Tony Warren on July 14, 2019, 03:26:00 AM
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But is it really that important that we know if miracles have ceased or not?
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Well, is the truth that important? I mean how do you know what is untrue if you can't really understand what is the truth? And why it is the truth? If they have ceased, then there is a reason they have ceased. And if they have not ceased, then there is a reason why they have not ceased. If Mark 16 says these signs will follow them that believe, and you believe but they don't follow you, then of necessity you must ask yourself, why! That's imperative, isn't it?  Was the statement in Mark true? How was it true? When Christ sent the Seventy out in twos as "Two Witnesses," was Christ declaring that literal snakes and scorpions couldn't harm them, or was He actually declaring that the serpent that is that spirit Satan couldn't harm them? And does that not agree with the sign Christ said in Mark chapter 16 would follow them that believe? Was it that believers can't get bitten by serpents or scorpions, or was it that they can't be harmed by the real enemy, which is that spirit Satan?

Luke 10:17-20

Is it important that we know and understand this? Of course it is. Why else would Christ be telling us this but that we understand the real miracle is not power to handle snakes without being bitten, but power that that old snake Satan cannot harm us. That is the sign that will follow them that believe, NOT that they can drink poison, handle snakes and cure cancer. Have you ever stubbed your toe?

Psalms 91:11-12

And so you understand that God was not teaching that no believer would ever dash their foot against a stone, correct? So you already understand the Spiritual nature of the gospel. It is important that we grow in grace rather than digress and become just like the world in carnal, physical, worldly, temporal things that are of little import.


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It's not essential is it?
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That phrase "not essential" is exploited, misused and misemployed way too much in my view. Is truth essential? I think it is. Is it essential that we have an earnest desire to know the will of God and the false narrative of miracle-working? Again, I think so. If you mean does our measure of understanding of the true nature of miracles determine our salvation, then f course the answer is no. If you mean is the sign of miracles underlying the healing of our spiritual position essential (meaning structural, important, fundamental, and indeed axiomatic, etc.) then I would say yes. For God desires that we have this knowledge that we might walk in the Spirit and not the flesh, in truth and not in error. Else why else would He have inspired it written in Holy Canon?

Colossians 1:8-10

It's the whole point of the Holy Scriptures. Our knowledge of the truth through the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For this cause, we search the Scriptures to see if these things are true or not. We do not throw our hands up in defeat declaring who can know. We can know the truth because that is what the Spirit of God in us is for.

"nosce te ipsum"
 
Peace,
Tony Warren
"i acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the Lord; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah. -Psalms 32:5"
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Frank Mortimer on July 14, 2019, 07:16:05 AM
 )preach_(  )Bible-Red( There's an explosion of spiritual insanity in the church today. Little truth, little soul searching, lots of hypocrisy, crazy justifications and no sober thinking. And they think we're mad?  )Say_what(
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Beechwood on July 14, 2019, 10:05:14 AM

God has blessed you Tony Warren  )GoodPopst(
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Erik Diamond on July 14, 2019, 11:43:25 AM
Quote from: Frank Mortimer"
There's an explosion of spiritual insanity in the church today. Little truth, little soul searching, lots of hypocrisy, crazy justifications and no sober thinking. And they think we're mad?

Boom! Not only in the church but also with some people right here on the forum.

Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: ZeroCool on July 16, 2019, 07:35:55 AM
Boom! Not only in the church but also with some people right here on the forum.

 )Goodpoint(  I was thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: ZeroCool on July 16, 2019, 07:41:03 AM
Tony,
My question is what is this spiritual insanity that you and others have referenced from time to time.

What others? The fact is, only Tony and Reformer use this term because it's not an actual doctrine, it's something Tony Warren contrived and Reformer latched onto. You don't find it mentioned anywhere in scripture because the author is Tony Warren. My advice would be to go with actual doctrine and allegories that Christ authored, not fancy phrases invented by Tony.

You don't know what you are talking about George. Which is a clue that perhaps you remain in the insanity of unbelief. You should start listening to Tony Warren and stop arguing with him, because I can tell you I've not been here long but long enough to read and know he is truly blessed of God in his understanding. Perhaps you should listen to this sermon on this same topic of spiritual insanity, and it's by Reformed Pastor Greg Elmquist, not Tony Warren. And may God give you the grace of understanding the truth of this doctrine. It's not from man it's authored by God. You and your Trump-supporting friends have your heads so far in the foolery of the flesh, Israel and the world that you cannot recognize truth when you hear it. A blind mind is an insane mind.

II Corinthians 4:3-4
"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."

https://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=320161159359


Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Reformer on July 16, 2019, 08:37:09 AM
 )GoodPopst(  )Goodpoint(  Good Sermon!
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Tim Norton on July 18, 2019, 02:20:27 AM
 )iagree(
That really was a good sermon. Thanks for sharing it Zerocool. Good to have another believer here who knows the difference between the truth of Christ's allegories and the false narratives of evangelists and Charismatics.  ]ThUmBsUp[
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Curtis on July 27, 2019, 07:19:07 AM
I think that there is a new craziness all over the world, not just in America or in the church. We got Trumpism here, we have Brexit overseas, we have Kim Jong Un, who has always been crazy, but with Trump he's extra nutty, we have Russia's people longing for the good old days of the cold war, we China expanding into Japan and North Korean seas, we have the church acting more like the world than the world, we have South America all messed up, even Saudi Arabia has now gotten into the exporting war game, I mean it's everywhere. There is no peace of mind anywhere on the planet. It just seems like wild unfettered abandonment everywhere and no country is immune.

So I'm wondering if this spiritual insanity isn't global and not just regional? Perhaps it starts in the church and spreads globally. Or maybe the church is the catalyst?
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: David Knoles on July 27, 2019, 08:45:27 AM
Come on dude, couldn't you really say that about any time in history. There are always tumultuous times and desperate men. You think people weren't thinking that when Mussolini came to power? Or in the great depression? There has always been times of trouble. Here's my philosophy. If the outcome is good, I don't care how we got there. Sometimes chaos is good to snap people back to their senses.



Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Frank Mortimer on July 29, 2019, 02:22:19 PM
Come on dude, couldn't you really say that about any time in history. There are always tumultuous times and desperate men. You think people weren't thinking that when Mussolini came to power?

No, they weren't. If they were, we'd know about it from history. This world has never been as despicable and wicked as it is now. And it's getting worse. How could you even think that with homosexuals taking over the world and Christians shrugging their shoulders afraid to say a word about it? Except anonymously.

Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Scotty on July 29, 2019, 07:52:22 PM
Are they really supposed to say anything about it? That's not their job, is it? I think that their job is to preach the gospel, not rant about the growing number of gay people.
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Tony Warren on July 30, 2019, 05:32:41 AM
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Are you "implying" that the Christian should not speak of evil. Hear no, speak no, see no evil? In other words, just ignore it and it will take care of itself? I don't believe that. Are Christians to ignore wickedness and unrighteousness as if it doesn't exist or preach against unrighteousness. Because all the saints I read of, preached against it. The church is not appointed to make altar calls, but preach repentance. No Christian I have read of ignored unrighteousness. Is that what God's messenger Moses did? Is that what the messenger of John the Baptist was? Is that what Christ did? Is that what the Apostle Paul did? Because in the Bible I have, it says that they all called out evil in any form as "disobedience" to God and spoke of the need to repent and turn away from it. The world has to know that unrighteousness is not winked at by God, it is judged and judged severely.

1st Corinthians 6:9-10

Is that not what the Apostle Paul should rant about? Can you imagine a Christian daring to say that a homosexual shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven today? He'd be fed to the lions or torn asunder. He'd be reviled (including by alleged Christians), he'd be persecuted and probably lose his job if he worked for most companies. Have we come close to the church today being silenced? To Christians not supposed to bear witness to the word of God because it might offend someone or we might actually suffer persecution?  Why would that be? Is it because a Christian is supposedly not really to say anything about such things? I don't agree. I think as a steward of God's word it is his "job as messenger or witness" to say such things.


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Yes? Unless we want to go around deceiving people, then yes, we are witnesses to the Biblical fact that neither fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind (homosexuals), thieves, the covetous, drunkards, revilers, or extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. God judges Homosexuality an abomination, so should we? If we're a Christian witness and messenger, then yes that's our job.

I guess many might think what I said subjective since apparently you (and others) don't think it is for the Christian to call homosexuality or any wickedness for that matter, exactly what it is to God. On the other hand, I and many others do think we should, since that is our calling because to really know what's right in God's law, they should know what God says is wrong--for how will they know without a preacher?

And still other professing Christians probably don't really care one way of the other about it. In fact, I would "surmise" that most professing Christians think that their only job is to profess Christ, go to work, spoil their children, take care of the family, say God loves you to the world, and church on Christmas. It's a sad day when Christians don't seem to know that faith without works is dead, or what being a servant of the Lord really means. A servant serves, he is not continually looking to the master to serve him or to be a genie waiting at his every beckoned call.


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I think that their job is to preach the gospel...
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We do preach the gospel, which is the good news that there is redemption from damnation. There are two sides of that coin. We preach to a spiritually dead, blind, sick and insane world. A world that is ever encroaching into the church of God. A world that is sick of righteousness and is delusionary to think that evil is good. To a church that doesn't know service from Christless inertia. The message of good news "implies" a message of bad news. We preach that..  1.man can be saved  2. from damnation  3. because of his sins. This "is" the gospel the messengers of God bring.  Did Paul ignore homosexuality while preaching about liars, thieves and adulterers? No. The gospel is like waters to a thirsty soul, but also like a two-edged sword that cuts both on the forward stroke and on the backward stroke. It's a spiritual weapon of war.  To think that for Christians to speak of the need of all sinners to repent from their lawlessness/sin is somehow evil (not or job) is to neglect and indeed to abandon the true Christian employment. When John went preaching "Repent!," He was preaching the gospel. Because the gospel is that if we repent "from our wickedness," we can be saved. I know that so many Christians look at the Christian calling out what is sin as some sort of evil judgment, but the truth is that this is the nature of the good gospel. And blessed are those who know the truth and take heed to it.

Isaiah 5:20

When Christ went to the cross, the Lord gave the saints judgment, especially for the church, and woe unto those who think that evil. It is not a evil thing to bear faithful witness to the word of God of "His" testimonies of redemption, sin, and judgment that will surely come upon the unrepentant. That includes homosexuality.


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...not rant about the growing number of gay people.
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A euphemism or softening of the word God uses to describe the acts of those who commit this sin, which is "abominable."  The question for Christians would be, what would (and has) the Lord God called a growing number of "gay" people. The Bible, the word of God, gives us our answer, along with what He did about it.

Genesis 6:4-5

Indeed, does that sound like the ranting of God concerning man's continual wickedness on the earth? Did God wink at the homosexuality of Sodom? Well, God's messengers and servanrts are those who bring this word, God's infallible word directly from His mouth to man's ears. It's our job.

Genesis 18:20

Could the messenger of the Lord not say such things that God declared because it's offensive to wicked man or he thinks it's not his job? Is it his job to stick his head in the sand and pretend none of the wickedness is occurring? Was it not Lot's job to try and warn others (even as he did) to limited avail?  To not warn "the growing number of gay people" (as you say) is to not see the abominations, and thus neglect our jobs. We are messengers of the gospel, not those who seek to hide the message in darkness lest some are offended. On the contrary, we see and we say repent. To hide from it would be ...well, spiritual insanity where we would have dire need of the physician ourselves.


"nosce te ipsum"
 
Peace,
Tony Warren
"i acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the Lord; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah. -Psalms 32:5"
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Herman Stowe on July 31, 2019, 05:44:16 AM
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Are they really supposed to say anything about it?
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Are you "implying" that the Christian should not speak of evil. Hear no, speak no, see no evil? In other words, just ignore it and it will take care of itself? I don't believe that.

That's exactly what most Christians attitude is, that it's not their job to say something is a lie, or being gay is wrong, or some teaching is false prophecy or that sex outside of marriage is condemned. Their excuse is always "who am I to judge?'  I am dumbfounded by this attitude because it just makes me want to pull my hair out. These are not people outside, there are people who say they are Christians. How they come to that conclusion based on their philosophies and behaviors, I cannot fathom.

2 Peter 1:8-10
"For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall."

Without the diligent exercise of the graces of God in our lives to serve him, how can you even be sure you are elect? We can't make anyone else's calling and election sure, but we sure do make our own calling and election sure. A Christian may be assured of his own spiritual rationality and sanity, and that starts with evidence of it in our lives., The desire to serve

I ask Christians, why aren't you supporting missions to spread the gospel to the world, and their reply is that they don't have the funds because they didn't get a raise, they have to send their kids to college, they need a better car and so on. Like you said before, it's always as if Christ comes last, not first. yes, just like they don't know their jobs as Christians. If it's not to be a watchman for sin, or to heal the spiritually sick, or preach the gospel of repentance, then what is it? To watch movies and vacation at Lake Tahoe? Because it seems to me they have no Christian job at all, except to say it's not our job.

Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Betty on July 31, 2019, 05:27:58 PM
That's exactly what most Christians attitude is, that it's not their job to say something is a lie, or being gay is wrong, or some teaching is false prophecy or that sex outside of marriage is condemned. Their excuse is always "who am I to judge?' 

And you think that is wrong? Do you ignore Luke?

Luke 6:37
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:


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I am dumbfounded by this attitude because it just makes me want to pull my hair out. These are not people outside, there are people who say they are Christians. How they come to that conclusion based on their philosophies and behaviors, I cannot fathom.

Luke 6:37
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:



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A Christian may be assured of his own spiritual rationality and sanity, and that starts with evidence of it in our lives., The desire to serve


Not everyone can serve.

Luke 6:37
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:


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Because it seems to me they have no Christian job at all, except to say it's not our job.

Luke 6:37
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Spiritual insanity is judging when God says not to judge.
Title: Re: Does Insanity Exist or is it Simply Evil Spirits in Man?
Post by: Philly Dawg on August 22, 2019, 06:29:37 AM
Insanity exists, and it is alive and well in the Republican Party. Is it evil spirits in man? Of course it is. Didn't Christ demonstrate that? Doesn't Trump demonstrate that day after day? Doesn't his cult base demonstrate that? We've heard the crazy ideas, justifications and conspiracies posed by the Trump supporters even here. Everything from the obsession of crowd size, Hitler being misunderstood, Charlottesville Nazi planted by liberals, Google out to get Trump, the Savior of America, and the Clintons killing Jeffrey Epstein. Mental illness is not only in the President, but also in those who blindly believe he is a good man who loves this country. As for the man, once again Psychiatrists are warning of his dangerous instability.

Psychiatrist On ‘The Essential Emptiness Of President Donald Trump’

Title: Re: Does Insanity Exist or is it Simply Evil Spirits in Man?
Post by: Eugene Coburn on September 06, 2019, 08:01:20 AM
I have often wondered if superstition and insanity are related? The Japanese believe there are a billion deities. Isn't that a form of insanity? There isn't a shred of logic or evidence for such reasoning, in fact it lacks reason. Isn't a lack of reasoning a form of insanity?

I don't think so. A lack of sound reasoning is a form of sin, maybe even a lack of education, but I don't know if that can be classified as insanity. For example, a baby's reasoning is not sound, but that doesn't mean the baby is insane.  Right?
Title: Re: Does Insanity Exist or is it Simply Evil Spirits in Man?
Post by: Jon Thomas on September 08, 2019, 01:42:02 AM
I believe insanity exists apart from sin, but I must admit that I don't know that for a biblical fact. I could be wrong, but I haven't been convinced it is a part of sin. Except in the sense that sin spawned it as man was corrupted by sin. It's a tough question when you think deeply about it.
Title: Re: Does Insanity Exist or is it Simply Evil Spirits in Man?
Post by: Soldier on September 08, 2019, 08:45:46 AM

My thinking is that just because God uses insanity as a token for sin, doesn't mean insanity is sin. It's merely symbolic of sin. Bread is symbolic of the word, but that doesn't mean it is the word.
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: George on September 08, 2019, 10:22:55 AM

I don't know how you guys come to this conclusion. Where do you read that insanity is symbolic of sin? I don't read that in my bible.
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Betty on May 10, 2020, 12:51:42 PM
Today I've been reading some of the ridiculous posts you guys left me that I never got around to reading. Now I know why. Because the majority of them are insane.  You didn't answer anything I said, and you blame the law for everything we have grace for. Instead of blaming men for lust, you blame women for her clothing. Instead of answering questions of why Christ and the disciples did miracles, you claim it has stopped happening.  Instead of just saying that Christians just love what Trump stands for, you blame it on spiritual insanity. It's just sad. Why not just actually address the questions sometimes?
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Colleen on May 10, 2020, 02:55:33 PM
It's just sad. Why not just actually address the questions sometimes?

If you think that none of us have addressed your questions, I don't know what to tell you except that you're clearly not reading the majority of posts to you. I would suggest rereading the replies. Or maybe you just don't like the replies you've been given because they contain scriptures that contradict your assertions. Do you not believe that there are some Christians who are spiritualy mad?
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Erik Diamond on May 10, 2020, 03:51:35 PM
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I don't know what to tell you except that you're clearly not reading the majority of posts to you. I would suggest rereading the replies. Or maybe you just don't like the replies you've been given because they contain scriptures that contradict your assertions.

Bingo!
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Apostolic on May 15, 2020, 02:02:56 AM

I don't know how you guys come to this conclusion. Where do you read that insanity is symbolic of sin? I don't read that in my bible.

Hmmmmmm. No answers?
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Erik Diamond on May 15, 2020, 02:50:12 AM
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Hmmmmmm. No answers?

Hummmmmm... have you read and receive?  (http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=2975.msg38745#msg38745)



Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Tony Warren on May 17, 2020, 04:15:25 PM
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I don't know how you guys come to this conclusion.
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By sound exegesis. The kind where we read God's concepts of truth from out of the Bible, rather than reading our own concepts of truth into the Bible. This knowledge comes from the divine word of God that was inspired so that we might "know" these things. The "where" we got this is right there in black and white on the pages of Holy Canon. And the "how" is through the Holy Spirit of God that reveals truth. You say you don't know how we come to these conclusions, but it is because we "receive" God's word humbly as authoritative that we might be wise. He has instructed us to approach Him that way. Seek His wisdom and knowledge and it will be found. That's a faithful promise, not a speculation. Pray for God's spirit of wisdom with humility so that you too may come to these conclusions. Not because we said so, but because you receive God's word illustrating it.

Proverbs 2:1-6

It is written, if you cry after knowledge and ask for understanding, searching for it as the treasure it is, then you shalt understand and find the knowledge of God you seek. That's God's promise. And unlike man's, it is trustworthy.


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Luke 8:35
That man was mad and naked and was healed of Christ so that he was clothed and put in his right mind. But as Christ said, go and learn what that meaneth, and "He" will have mercy. You see, He is the physician that heals all sicknesses. Of the mind, of the body and of the spirit.

As I said, the "where" we get this is in the divinely inspired infallible word of God. The natural man--that is to say, those of the flesh who look to worldly definitions to define the Spiritual things of the workings of God inevitably miss the mark. The spirit of the world cannot interpret the kingdom, only the Spirit of God can. In other words, these truths are Spiritually discerned or discovered. That's what the word of God said, not elitist theologians. When Christ healed the insane man and the Devil fled from him, the divine truth of this is "Spiritually Discerned." That means not all will receive that this was a "representation" of the deeper spiritual truth concerning the mental unwellness of man, and his being put in his right mind by the doctor called Jesus. When Christ healed the Lazarus and made him rise from the dead, it is "Spiritually Discerned" that this was a "representation" of the deeper "Spiritual Truth" concerning mankind's spiritual resurrection from the dead in Christ. When Christ healed the blind man so that for the first time he could see, it is "Spiritually Perceived" that this was a "representation' of the deeper Spiritual truth of mankind's condition of spiritual blindness before Christ heals him. And so on and so forth. We can only bear testimony to these truths and the Spirit will (or will not) reveal if they are true. Frankly, if you don't see this in your Bible, it "could be" because you understand things in the the spirit of the world or in the spirit of the flesh, and not in the Spirit of truth. I would seek and pray for God's wisdom to replace the wisdom of man concerning these things.

1st Corinthians 2:12-14

Foolishness or the truth, it all depends upon what spirit we abide in. The spirit of this world or of the world to come.


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Do you read with an eye to see what God has concealed, or do you read to confirm what you have already been taught? It is written, "it is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter (Proverbs 25:2). Is the tree of life an actual, literal tree? When you see trees in the Bible, do you ever see them as men? It's Spiritually discerned so that you must look closer and search out the matter as is the glory of kings (Judges 9:8; Psalms 1:3; Psalms 52:8; Ps 92:12; Jer 11:19; Revelation 9:4).

Mark 8:23-25

It's foolishness that God says in the day of His judgment on earth after "all Israel" is sealed, that the trees couldn't be hurt by the plagues, only those "men" without the seal of God in their forehead. Are the men with the seal of God in their forehead trees that are qualified as sealed? We'll never know until we understand that it is "Spiritually Discerned" and the glory of Kings to search out the matter. Then are the scales removed from our eyes and we are restored that we do not see these as trees, but men. But as I said, this is foolishness to the natural man who hasn't eaten of the one and only tree of life, which is Christ.

Yes, I read that in my Bible.

"nosce te ipsum"
 
Peace,
Tony Warren
"i acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the Lord; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah. -Psalms 32:5"
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Frank Mortimer on May 18, 2020, 02:03:57 AM
Makes sense  )Bible-Red(

  I don't know about anyone else, but I see this spiritual insanity as a worldwide phenomenon and not just in the church. I wouldn't be surprised if the church didn't start it all by its light becoming dim. But from Christians, to the Boy Scouts, to Parents, Educators, Liberals, Conservatives, Republicans, Democrats, I mean everywhere you look there is this outbreak of irrationality in what can only be described as some sort of spiritual madness. Just so much crazy stuff in the world today. Perhaps Satan is loosed? I mean, how much worse can it get? Plus now with this crazy stuff going on in politics, I think the coming of the Lord is just around the corner.

But anyway, God bless you brother for your continuing efforts to instruct, educate and explain the gospel to those less fortunate souls like myself.
 &TY

Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Manuel on May 18, 2020, 03:09:16 AM
Is it spiritual insanity or is it just world wide stupidity. Have you ever seen teenagers as dumb as they are today? I haven't. And their parents twice as dumb. So is it insanity or stupidity?
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Frank Mortimer on May 18, 2020, 04:31:00 AM
 )goodquestion( What's the difference? Spiritual insanity is a form of stupidity. All the world is stupid, and now much of the church as well. God calls them fools and their ways foolishness, but stupid works too.
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Sojourner on May 19, 2020, 04:39:33 AM
Where do you read that insanity is symbolic of sin? I don't read that in my bible.

Where do we read that nakedness is symbolic of sin. Where do we read that blindness is symbolic of being unsaved. Where do we read that water baptism is symbolic of cleansing? Where do we read that the number 7 is symbolic of perfection?  Where do we read that stars are symbolic of the church? and so on. God doesn't say "You should know blindness symbolizes being unsaved." That's not how God works. We find that out by searching and reading scripture with a mind to receive it.  Did Jesus ever literally say, "I am The Messiah You seek." No, he never said that. But we get that from reading the Bible and not being blind, the same as we read that the insanity healed by Christ symbolized the unsaved mind being healed. What did you think it meant when Christ healed the insane man, the scripture says he was in his right mind? Do you think that was just words or spiritually meaningless? Nothing in scripture is by accident.

"This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead." Ecclesiastes 9:3
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Dana Pescator on May 19, 2020, 11:48:58 AM
 )GoodPopst(
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Joe Johnson on May 20, 2020, 09:55:00 AM
So only the elite Christians know of this so called spiritual insanity? Where are the great papers written on it? Where are the good Christian books that are written about it? Where are the best authors published on the subject? Oh, there are none? Figures. You have no basis for saying something that you made up and teaching it as gospel.
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Erik Diamond on May 20, 2020, 11:56:46 AM
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So only the elite Christians know of this so called spiritual insanity? Where are the great papers written on it? Where are the good Christian books that are written about it? Where are the best authors published on the subject? Oh, there are none? Figures. You have no basis for saying something that you made up and teaching it as gospel.

The truth is not found in "great papers."

The truth is not found in "good Christian books"

The truth is not found in "best authors published on the subject."

The truth is only found within the Word of God called the Bible. Have you ever heard of the word called, "Bible?"  Do you have it? Then why didn't you start open it and study it yourself?
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Rich Aikers on May 20, 2020, 01:42:11 PM
So only the elite Christians know of this so called spiritual insanity? Where are the great papers written on it? Where are the good Christian books that are written about it? Where are the best authors published on the subject?

So you are implying that truth is decided by Christian authors, books, and papers? Where is that written? It's certainly not a Bible doctrine, so that makes it a man-made doctrine.

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Oh, there are none? Figures. You have no basis for saying something that you made up and teaching it as gospel.

That's the lack of understanding that Tony talks about because you don't understand something you think that automatically makes it made up. You think too highly of yourself and you need to show a little humility. I see it in the Bible as surely as I see that a tree's fruits represents a man's works. If Christians would just stop assuming so much, they would see a lot more.


Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Edward on May 24, 2020, 04:12:09 PM
"This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead." Ecclesiastes 9:3


Why do most of you use the KJV? Most Christians elsewhere use the NIV. Is this a KJ Only site or is there some other reason?
Title: Re: What is Spiritual Insanity?
Post by: Drew on May 24, 2020, 05:21:28 PM
We don't mostly use the KJV. Personally, I prefer the Scofield Reference Bible because it has accurate and very literal commentaries included. The KJV is to often misunderstood because of old wording. That's why these people come up with these wild ideas like spiritual insanity. You can't get ideas like that from the Scofield bible.