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Eschatology / Re: The Growing Apostasy in the Church
« Last post by George on Yesterday at 08:13:31 PM »
You are wrong my friend. I am right.
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Eschatology / Re: The Growing Apostasy in the Church
« Last post by billnjune on Yesterday at 12:50:21 PM »
George, Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

If you are going to follow the popularity of a doctrine then you can be assured that you are deceived.  Following the Bible alone is your only hope!

Bill

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Eschatology / Re: Ram with Two Horns of Daniel 8
« Last post by Erik Diamond on Yesterday at 12:21:58 PM »
To me, it does not make sense that the second horn of the Ram represented Christ's ministry for only few years before being cut off as the Goat break His horn.
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Eschatology / Re: Ram with Two Horns of Daniel 8
« Last post by Frank Mortimer on Yesterday at 11:58:19 AM »
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Eschatology / Re: Ram with Two Horns of Daniel 8
« Last post by Erik Diamond on Yesterday at 11:54:45 AM »
Quote from: Illuminated
The Old Testament congregation is stamped upon at Christís first coming.  The New Testament congregation is stamped upon at Christís second coming.  The first horn of the ram and the second horn of the ram are [size=0px]both broken at Christís first coming[/size][/b].  Neither horn has anything to do with the second coming.  Both horns belong to the ram [size=0px]which is cast down to the ground and stamped upon at Christís first coming[/size][/b].  The ram is not stamped upon at Christís second coming. God does use similar language to describe what happens to His congregation at the second coming, but He is not talking about the ram.

Does anyone agreed with Illuminated that the first horn of the Rams represented written Word (The Law) given by Moses, and the second and higher horn to represent Jesus Christ, the incarnate word, that they both must be broken at the Cross by HeGoat (Satan)? 

Based on Scripture I have read in related to higher horn being last:

Deuteronomy 9:13 [13] Furthermore the LORD spake unto me, saying, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:  Let me alone, that I may destroy them, and blot out their name from under heaven: and I will make of thee a nation mightier and greater than they. John 14:12 [12] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Haggai 2:5-9 KJV
[5]  According to the word that I covenanted with you when ye came out of Egypt, so my spirit remaineth among you: fear ye not.
[6]  For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land;
[7]  And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.
[8]  The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD of hosts.
[9]  The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the LORD of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the LORD of hosts.

 Mt 21:42-43
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. This is the greater power, the greater nation, the greater horn that comes up last. And this holy nation will bring forth more fruits in the New Testament than the Old Testament.  Abraham's seed is no longer just Israel, but great multitudes from all nations all over the Earth.
Which is why I think the ram of Daniel 8 represents Congregation of Israel.  The first horn represented the power of Old Testament congregation under the Law of Moses.  The second horn presented the power of New Testament Congregation under Christ which comes last, or after the first horn (the fall of Old Testament congregation).

I understand the point that Illuminated made that the horns of the rams must be broken before the horn upon the Goat is broken and the four horns came out because he read the verses in time sequence. I am not sure about that. 


What is your thought? 
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Apologetics / Re: Why are there so few Christians in Japan?
« Last post by George on Yesterday at 11:49:57 AM »
Why are there so few Christians in Japan? Because there so few Christians in Japan. Cause and effect. japan likes to remain Japan and not have to worry about ungodly immigration.
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Eschatology / Re: The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
« Last post by George on Yesterday at 11:46:09 AM »
We're pretty much set on the white but what about the pale?

What does the Pale Horseman symbolize?

It's obvious to anyone beside Amillennialists. The Pale horse symbolizes death. You're thinking to much.  )S_Confused(
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Eschatology / Re: The Growing Apostasy in the Church
« Last post by George on Yesterday at 11:44:05 AM »
Roman Catholicism isn't the answer, but neither is Amillennialism. But the fact that the Premillennial church has grown bigger than all other churches is proof that there is no growing apostasy. In fact, it is the Premillennialists who were critical to bringing a leader to the white house that uphold Christian values, will end abortions and has already made the courts more conservative. Growing apostasy my foot.
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Apologetics / Re: Can Christians Join a Premillennial Church?
« Last post by George on Yesterday at 11:38:24 AM »
Paul never preach a false hope of Jewish tradition, but the only hope.

It's a anti-semitic slur to call the Jewish beliefs a false hope.

Well that's amillennialism for you. It has long been charged by great theologians that amillennialism is anti-semitic.
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Eschatology / Re: Pray your Flight be not in Winter, neither on the Sabbath Day
« Last post by George on Yesterday at 11:37:03 AM »
 )Goodpoint(
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