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Bruce

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Re: Has Democracy Been a Good Thing
« Reply #90 on: March 10, 2016, 05:24:26 AM »
 :hammerhead: No offense intended, but you people are nuts. Democracy is a righteous thing. It's why all fair countries have a system that is at least based upon democracy or some form of civil inclusion in government. It's the monarchies, communists and socialists that are the unrighteous systems of government. What does the Bible say about Democracy?

Joshua 24:15 ESV
And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”

Which means we all are entitled to choose.


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Re: Has Democracy Been a Good Thing
« Reply #91 on: March 24, 2016, 07:55:23 AM »
I think democracy is a good thing, but it's not in any way mandated by scripture. You can have just as good a society without democracy, depending on what type of rules you have.
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Re: Has Democracy Been a Good Thing
« Reply #92 on: March 24, 2016, 05:28:58 PM »
I think democracy is a good thing, but it's not in any way mandated by scripture. You can have just as good a society without democracy, depending on what type of rules you have.

If laws were instituted by democracy during the time Christ came to Israel, Christianity would have been outlawed. The reason that we in the US can divorce for no reason at all is because of democracy. The majority of people want it. Democracy means whatever the majority of people want, can become law. How is that Christian? The majority isn't always right.  If this country was a democracy instead of a Republic, there would be no civil rights and slavery might still be around. My point is that just because a majority of people want something, doesn't make it either right or Christian. Democracy is not a biblical concept.

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Re: Has Democracy Been a Good Thing
« Reply #93 on: March 26, 2016, 08:28:52 PM »

Funny how all the conservatives start condemning democracy when they feel that the liberals might be getting the upper hand because of immigration.  HA HA HA!  There was no cry that democracy was bad when the courts and popular views were right wing.

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Re: Has Democracy Been a Good Thing
« Reply #94 on: April 10, 2016, 06:08:04 PM »
Diane wrote: “I think that you are right. Democracy isn't what makes a country great, its leadership is. Remember in the bible when Israel had no king, and God said that every man did what was right in his own eyes? That nation was under a form of democracy, or was it mob rule? And that didn't work out too"As opposed to when the nation had a king like Solomon. He ruled justly for the most part and the nation did pretty well. Of course he wasn't perfect and got into idolatry, but he ruled a better nation than when they had no king and existed under a form of what we would call democracy.”

The system of government of “every man doing what is right in his own eyes” is defined as ANARCHY, not democracy.

Anarchy: a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.

Democracy  (a:) "government by the people; especially : rule of the majority (b:) "a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections."

Democracy was a good thing when the people were Godly.  The problem today is not the system of government, but the people who turn their backs to God.

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Re: Has Democracy Been a Good Thing
« Reply #95 on: April 11, 2016, 02:16:41 AM »

The system of government of “every man doing what is right in his own eyes” is defined as ANARCHY, not democracy.

Anarchy: a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.

Yes it could be. I see your point. But it could also be defined as when the majority of people want evil, and the system is that the majority rules. That is democracy at work. What we have now is the majority of people wanting legalized all the things God calls evil in this country. That's democracy and it is not good. If there were a system here where the leader, president, king, prime minister, Premier or whatever, said the law is that there can be no abortions, we're not having no fault divorce, we're not coddling criminals, we're not condoning and supporting homosexuality, we're not passing laws that take away Christian rights and we're not taking over parental rights, etc., that would not be democracy, but it would be better for everyone than the democracy we have now. The point is, majority rule is not always good. It almost never is, because it eventually leads to anarchy expressly because people "get" whatever they want. They don't get what God wants.


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Democracy  (a:) "government by the people; especially : rule of the majority

Exactly my point. The "great" majority of people in the world are not Christian, unsaved and desperately wicked. What would we expect but eventual anarchy when the majority rules?


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Democracy was a good thing when the people were Godly.

Was it? The people of the world were never Godly. But they had a church that was. That is all but gone now. More, there hasn't been any democracy in the world up until "relatively" recently. The nations were ruled by kings and other rulers and commissions. Democracy is atypical, it was never the norm for the world. This American drive to bring democracy to the world is a thinly veiled attempt to liberalize the world and force acceptance of our liberal world view.


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The problem today is not the system of government, but the people who turn their backs to God.

Yes, that's always been the problem. The great majority of sinful people in the world. Democracy can't change that, it can only exacerbate the problem by giving sin more say, more punch, more power.

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Re: Has Democracy Been a Good Thing
« Reply #96 on: April 11, 2016, 08:59:40 AM »
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Re: Has Democracy Been a Good Thing
« Reply #97 on: April 11, 2016, 07:21:27 PM »

Good comeback Diane. On democracy, I choose it over the alternative but I can take it or leave it. On the one hand, I'm glad we have it instead of socialism or communism, but on the other hand, when the majority is immoral and selfish, it stinks!

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Re: Has Democracy Been a Good Thing
« Reply #98 on: April 12, 2016, 08:55:23 AM »

So True!

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Re: Has Democracy Been a Good Thing
« Reply #99 on: May 19, 2016, 06:37:19 AM »

Good comeback Diane. On democracy, I choose it over the alternative but I can take it or leave it. On the one hand, I'm glad we have it instead of socialism or communism, but on the other hand, when the majority is immoral and selfish, it stinks!

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Re: Has Democracy Been a Good Thing
« Reply #100 on: November 14, 2017, 03:56:03 AM »

The system of government of “every man doing what is right in his own eyes” is defined as ANARCHY, not democracy.

Anarchy: a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.

Yes it could be. I see your point. But it could also be defined as when the majority of people want evil, and the system is that the majority rules. That is democracy at work. What we have now is the majority of people wanting legalized all the things God calls evil in this country. That's democracy and it is not good. If there were a system here where the leader, president, king, prime minister, Premier or whatever, said the law is that there can be no abortions, we're not having no fault divorce, we're not coddling criminals, we're not condoning and supporting homosexuality, we're not passing laws that take away Christian rights and we're not taking over parental rights, etc., that would not be democracy, but it would be better for everyone than the democracy we have now. The point is, majority rule is not always good. It almost never is, because it eventually leads to anarchy expressly because people "get" whatever they want. They don't get what God wants.

Melanie, your post is weighty and very thought provoking. You have expressed perfectly my thoughts on democracy. It's only a good thing when its people are good, and as God says, there is none good. So they are always eventually going to want their own will, which is immorality, abortions, riches, divorce, power and control. To me it seems that democracy will always eventually drift toward that, and I agree with you that is anarchy rather than the structured society God wants.

Judges 17:6 "In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes."

Was that an early sample of democracy at work? It's debatable. If everyone wants candy everyday for dinner, is that necessarily a good thing? I think the answer to the question "has democracy been a good thing," is that it is only when we have a ethical society. And the world has never been an ethical society without God. So, to the extent that democracy fosters a honest, ethical people with integrity, it is a good thing. But to the extent that it doesn't, it is not preferable to one honest man ruling. This country was founded for the most part on God fearing people. This country is no longer populated by a majority of God fearing people, nor does it foster integrity or God fearing virtues in society. So we have to ask ourselves, would the country be better off led by a Abraham or by majority rules? Would they not both be God appointed? Something to think about.

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Re: Has Democracy Been a Good Thing
« Reply #101 on: November 14, 2017, 06:11:38 AM »
You won't mind if I say you guys sound like communists. Democracy is the only godly government. Everything else is godless. Good men died for democracy, don't knock it.
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Re: Has Democracy Been a Good Thing
« Reply #102 on: November 14, 2017, 12:07:42 PM »
 :-MoUsE-: Really? What about a Republic, which the U.S.A is...

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Re: Has Democracy Been a Good Thing
« Reply #103 on: November 14, 2017, 12:29:02 PM »

A Republic can also be a Democracy.
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