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Eschatology / Re: Knowledge Shall Be Increased (Daniel 12:4)
« Last post by Frank Mortimer on Yesterday at 05:24:03 PM »
 Revelation 1:1
  "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"
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Eschatology / Re: They Shall Be Tormented Five Months
« Last post by Erik Diamond on Yesterday at 04:06:11 PM »
Good afternoon, Brother Tony. You wrote this a while ago:

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Let me try and put it another way. The time when they finish their testimony is synonymous with the time when "all are sealed who are to be sealed" (as per Revelation 7), and that is when the pit is opened. It's not the "day" of their death. It's the end of their testimony of salvation, and now their testimony is only to judgment as there is no one being sealed/saved at this appointed time. But the end of their judgment and of the 1260 days is not yet as they still have to all be killed and [/size]that takes time.[/size] Mirroring Israel.[/size]Mark 13:7
    • "And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.
    • For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
    • But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them."
    • The tribulation that kills the Saints takes time. We're talking about the whole church here. It isn't saying one day the pit is opened and the next day all believers are universally killed on that day. That doesn't make sense, the silencing of the gospel is a process that takes time, and in that time their word is a word of judgment only. Because all who were elected to be saved have been saved. But eventually, when they are all killed in Jerusalem, that is the end of the 5 months and the beginning of the 3 1/3 days they lay ead in the street before they are called of God to the mountains. Just as parable of the 10 virgins who slept and were called to meet the bridegroom, 5 of which were sealed and 5 of which were not sealed missing their calling.[/l][/l]


    Exactly when will "the end" starts, Tony?  The Death of Two Witnesses? The Fleeing from Babylon the the Abomination of Desolation stands in? Or the Second Coming itself? 

    Erik
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    Eschatology / Re: Knowledge Shall Be Increased (Daniel 12:4)
    « Last post by Erik Diamond on Yesterday at 11:28:05 AM »
     &TY
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    Eschatology / Re: Knowledge Shall Be Increased (Daniel 12:4)
    « Last post by Reformer on Yesterday at 08:19:14 AM »
    Hey Reformer,


    Dan 12:8-9
    [8]  And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
    [9]  And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

    Sealed until the time of the Revelation.

    Ro 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
     26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

    It was made manifest, revealed then, in those last days where Christ died to bring this knowledge.

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    [17]  And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

    [18]  And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

    Christ came to bring in the new dispensation, which is the last days, the time of this revealing and salvation to the world, not just the Jews.

    Isa 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
    3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.


    Christ brought this in with the work of the cross.

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    Eschatology / Re: Knowledge Shall Be Increased (Daniel 12:4)
    « Last post by Erik Diamond on November 20, 2017, 04:48:29 PM »
    Quote from: Reformer
    I believe the knowledge scripture is talking about is the knowledge of scripture. We only have incomplete knowledge while in this world. And I believe that knowledge increased when it was revealed that the Gentiles would receive salvation. This was a mystery before Christ, but after Christ this knowledge of scripture (which was always there) was revealed to the saints. The Gentiles would also receive salvation, and not through the nation of Israel as they has supposed.

    Hey Reformer,


    Dan 12:8-9
    [8]  And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
    [9]  And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.


    Act 2:14-20
    [14]  But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
    [15]  For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
    [16]  But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
    [17]  And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

    [18]  And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
    [19]  And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
    [20]  The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

    It seemed to me that the time of the end was referred to as the "last days" that Peter talked about.  From Pentecost to the Second Coming which is the great and notable day of the Lord. So the knowledge of Scriptures increases for the Saints after the Pentecost concerning Christ during the Church age, right.
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    Open Forum / Re: On modesty — an open letter to the ladies by Michael Fischer
    « Last post by Della on November 20, 2017, 05:02:37 AM »

    I would think it obvious, it is not to entice men. Unfortuinately, in our time such rationale is called women shaming.



    You're right. Isn't it a shame we cannot support modesty of dress without some woman claiming that we are shaming women? Isn't it just common sense that showing a lot of skin is meant to entice men? Do they think women but clothing that has their breasts half out or their pants so tight it's like stuffing sausage because they don't want men to notice them? My view is that perhaps women need to be shamed. Maybe that's what is missing. We have to draw the line somewhere.
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    Open Forum / Re: On modesty — an open letter to the ladies by Michael Fischer
    « Last post by Puritan Heart on November 20, 2017, 04:44:01 AM »
    Greetings all,

    With reference to the last few responses, I wish to draw to the attention of the reader that whilst the quote carries my moniker, the quotes are not my own personal opinions or views, but rather that of the writer of the letter, namely Michael Fischer.

    Alexandra
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    Theology / Re: Why Callest Thou Me Good? - Mark 10:18
    « Last post by Joanne on November 19, 2017, 07:25:14 PM »
    As for heresy, it seems in your Aminianist world there is no such thing, but in the world of faithful bible believing Christians, God divinely inspired the word translated heresy for a reason. So we would realize that there is such a thing and mark and avoid such pretenders to the crown.

    Not just Joe's Arminian world, but this is also a problem in the Reformed world. It appears there is no such thing as heresy anymore since there isn't one single doctrine that anyone is willing to call heresy. Not even denial of the trinity or denial that Jesus is God come in the flesh. We live in a world of no judgment against any doctrine and ecumenism gone wild. I for one don't think that is the Christian world Christ wants but it is the one the church wants.  :baghead:

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    Theology / Re: Did Jephthah Sacrifice His Daughter?
    « Last post by Joanne on November 19, 2017, 07:12:30 PM »
    Isn't it funny how everyone in the church believed this until relatively recently. Now all of a sudden it's debatable?
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    Open Forum / Re: On modesty — an open letter to the ladies by Michael Fischer
    « Last post by Joanne on November 19, 2017, 07:10:59 PM »
    Question: I'm sure you ladies have all been taught on the subject of modesty and the need to cover yourselves, but how many of you can name a good, solid reason why this is so?

    I would think it obvious, it is not to entice men. Unfortuinately, in our time such rationale is called women shaming.


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    Modesty is a word and a concept that men almost never deal with. Modesty in women's dress and appearance has always been a "women's issue," which makes sense, given the sensitive nature of some aspects of it. The idea, apparently, is that mothers will teach modesty to their own daughters, and newly saved women will be taught by the older women of the church, in accordance with Titus 2:3-5 —

    That ship has sailed long ago. Modesty isn't taught anymore, it is remembered nostalgically by Grandma. Modesty today is a skirt to the knees rather than below it. Modesty is a whole different word than it was years ago. If we got back to the bible, we would see what real modesty is. I agree Tim, immodesty is in the area of pridefulness. But it is also in parents not wanting their children to appear different and be teased. Neglecting that Christians are supposed to be different. I also agree with Dwight that some points in the article are not true. Women are physically and emotionally different from men, but they also gain satisfaction from achievements as much as men do. And many women today don't even want relationships, the men do and they are frustrated by this new trend.


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