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Isaiah 2:4
"And he will judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."

Micah 4:3
"And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks, and not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."


I was taught Isaiah 2:4 and Micah 4:3 will be a future event when Satan is bound for a thousand years as shown in Revelations 20:2
"And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years."

I know this teaching is in error since Jesus bound Satan already and this is not a future event.
Matthew 12:29
"Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house."

Can anyone help me understand these two verses better?  Also does Joel 3:10 relate to the two?
"Beat your plowshares into swords,  and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong."

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Isaiah 2:4
"And he will judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."

Micah 4:3
"And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks, and not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."


I was taught Isaiah 2:4 and Micah 4:3 will be a future event when Satan is bound for a thousand years as shown in Revelations 20:2
"And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years."

I know this teaching is in error since Jesus bound Satan already and this is not a future event.
Matthew 12:29
"Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house."

Can anyone help me understand these two verses better?  Also does Joel 3:10 relate to the two?
"Beat your plowshares into swords,  and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong."

Pene
 

These verses describe the nature of the church age when the Kindgom of God is built through the planting of God's Word in the hearts of believers.  Believers will no longer war against God with spears and swords, but will work with the Lord in planting and reaping the souls of men.  This period is also pictured as the thousand year reign of Christ, or the fullness of the church age.

1 Corinthians 3:8-9
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.

The passage in Joel 3:10 reverses this language in describing the battle of armageddon in which all the heathen will stand before the judgment seat Christ to a give account for their sins.  This time of judgment is pictured as warefare against God.

Joel 3:12-14
12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.
13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness [is] great.
14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD [is] near in the valley of decision.

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These verses describe the nature of the church age when the Kindgom of God is built through the planting of God's Word in the hearts of believers.  Believers will no longer war against God with spears and swords, but will work with the Lord in planting and reaping the souls of men.  This period is also pictured as the thousand year reign of Christ, or the fullness of the church age.

Bradley

Thank you Bradley, these verses just clicked with me.  I knew they had to do with God and believers not being at war anymore but I didn't understand the plowshares and pruninghooks.  The word nation can not be literal nations so they must be the elect people.

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Bradley,

Do you believe Joel 3:10 correlates with Luke 21:24 and Revelations 13:10?

Joel 3:10
"Beat your plowshares into swords,  and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong."

Luke 21:24
"And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem whall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."

Revelations 13:10
"He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with a sword must be killed with the sword.  Here is the patience and the faith of the saints."

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Bradley,

Do you believe Joel 3:10 correlates with Luke 21:24 and Revelations 13:10?

Joel 3:10
"Beat your plowshares into swords,  and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong."

Luke 21:24
"And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem whall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."

Revelations 13:10
"He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with a sword must be killed with the sword.  Here is the patience and the faith of the saints."

Pene

Luke 21:24 and Revelation 13:10 are speaking of the trodding down of the true church as described in Revelation 11.  These events happen prior to the Battle of Armageddon.  I'm not sure I would use the word "correlate".  They are related in nature, because the Lord will recompense judgment for the acts committed in Luke 21:24 and Revelation 13:10, but they do not take place at the same time.

2 Thessalonians 1:3-10
3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;
4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
5 [Which is] a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
6 Seeing [it is] a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

The patience of the saints is to endure the trodding of the Gentiles, whereas Joel 3:10 describes the day when Christ will return to take His vengeance.

Revelation 11:2
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

Revelation 11:7
And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

The patience of the saints is to endure this time, and to know the Lord will recompense tribulation on them that trouble you.

Bradley



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My thinking is "fall by the edge of the sword" and "he that killeth with a sword must be killed with a sword" relates to the plowshares and pruninghooks because the unbelievers are at war with God instead of plowing/reaping with Him.

Thank you Bradley for taking the time to answer.  You've helped a lot.

Penne

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Luke 21:24
"And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem whall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."

This speaks of spiritual bondage that the corporate believers fell into becasue of the death of two witnesses. The times of the Gentiles is the whole Great Tribulation period which is also 42 months:

Revelation 11:2
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

I do think that Isaiah 2:4 and Micah 4:3 are talking about the church age where believers will not learn war anymore with God now that they are adopted  sons and daughters of God.

Peace,
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Hi Tony and company. can anyone please explain the following verse? Thanks!

 Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."


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I can tell you right now that Toiny is going to tell you this has already been fulfilled, because he's said it before. But if I were you, I would look to some of the great Bible commentaries. They all pretty much say this has not been fulfilled yet. For example, the great Matthew Henry commentary says,

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

4:1 The nations have not yet so submitted to the Prince of Peace, as to beat their swords into ploughshares, nor has war ceased. But very precious promises these are, relating to the gospel church, which will be more and more fulfilled, for He is faithful that has promised. There shall be a glorious church for God set up in the world, in the last days, in the days of the Messiah. Christ himself will build it upon a rock. The Gentiles worshipped their idol gods; but in the period spoken of, the people will cleave to the Lord with full purpose of heart, and delight in doing his will. The word halteth, describes those who walk not according to the Divine word. The collecting the captives from Babylon was an earnest of healing, purifying, and prospering the church; and the reign of Christ shall continue till succeeded by the everlasting kingdom of heaven. Let us stir up each other to attend the ordinances of God, that we may learn his holy ways, and walk in them, receiving the law from his hands, which, being written in our hearts by his Spirit, may show our interest in the Redeemer's righteousness.


So you know before Tony even posts. Don't just accept his commentary, a lot of other learned theologians (most of them) totally disagree with his interpretation.

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I have to agree with Fred, Tony Warren's ideas are not Biblical. He tends to spiritualize everything, as indeed do all Amillennialists. But the fact is, Christ hasn't established his kingdom yet.  Stan, I recommend you read this article with biblical references.

https://web.archive.org/web/20050409175313/http://website.lineone.net/~whtindle/about_sculpture.htm


A Gift For Peace

'Let Us Beat Swords Into Plowshares', a bronze statue by the Russian sculptor Evegeny Vuchetich, was unveiled in New York City on 21 May 1960.

The United Nations Office of Public Information commented on the event:

'The statue is in bronze and represents the figure of a man holding a hammer in one hand and, in the other, a sword which he is making into a plowshare, symbolising man's desire to put an end to war and convert the means of destruction into creative tools for the benefit of all mankind.'

On two occasions the Prophet's of God, using words similar to those attached to Vuchetich's statue, have foretold of an 'age' (yet to come), of peace and prosperity upon this Earth:

1. This is what Isaiah, son of Amos saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem: "In the last days the mountain of the Lord's temple will be established as chief among the nations; it will be raised above the hills, and all nations will stream into it. Many peoples will come and say 'Come let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.' The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. THEY WILL beat their swords into ploughshares and their spears into pruning hooks." (Isaiah 2:1-4)

2. "He" (the Lord) "will judge between many peoples and will settle many disputes for strong nations far and wide. THEY WILL beat their swords into ploughshares  and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. Every man will sit under his own vine and under his own fig tree, and no-one will make them afraid, for the Lord Almighty has spoken." (Micah 4:3,4)

This future reign of Christ upon the Earth is described throughout the New Testament in a number of various ways, and its affect upon 'creation' has been foretold by the Apostle Paul: "I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us" (i.e. in those who share in Christ's sufferings, verse 17) "The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies." (Romans 8:18-23)

But there can be no golden 'age' without the bodily presence of its King, and today comparatively few Christians "say nothing about bringing the King back" (2 Samuel 19:10)

Because our Lord Jesus Christ has not yet established His Millennial Kingdom on Earth, Christians in general have come to regard the Kingdom in Mystery (i.e. the rule of Christ in their hearts) as the only one. They refuse to believe in a Millennial Kingdom.

During David's time, King Saul was rejected by God because of his disobedience, and David was anointed king over Israel by Samuel the prophet of God. But Saul kept possession of his kingdom while David and a few faithful followers were in constant peril for their lives. During this time of David's trouble - a time when he was rejected (as king of right) by the majority of the nation - Scripture does not regard as years of his reign. It is only after Saul is slain and David is anointed at Hebron over the two tribes. Nor is David regarded by God as reigning over all Israel, until seven years after being anointed at Hebron, after his rival Ishbosheth is cut off.

It is exactly the case with our Lord Jesus Christ. He was anointed King at his baptism, and afterward proved himself fully qualified to rule when tested in the wilderness. But, as yet, he is only King of Right; he is not at present King in Fact. Satan is still the ruler under God - although rejected by God because of disobedience - he remains in possession of his kingdom, while Jesus and his faithful followers are rejected by the majority. Only when Satan is put down and imprisoned does Jesus' reign commence (John 12:13; 14:30; 16:11; Rev:20)

The character of the kingdom depends on the PRESENCE of the King. Now is the time of the proclamation of the Millennial Kingdom, with a view to gather those who believe and obey the Word of the Kingdom - they will be its rulers when the Power and the King of the Kingdom comes. There is a great difference between hearing the Word of the Kingdom which comes in grace, and feeling the sceptre of the Kingdom when it breaks foes in the Day of Judgement.

God's promises made to the Lord Jesus Christ about HIS Kingdom are not yet fulfilled. The transference of the Kingdom occurs suddenly in an instant. Until that time arrives, saints are oppressed. But when the Son of Man strikes powerless, dethrones and consumes His foes then His loyal followers will be rewarded, and rule with HIM. - NOT 'TILL THEN ! (2 Timothy 2:3-6; 3:12-14)

This is to be fulfilled in the future.

 Mic 4:3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

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<<<I have to agree with Fred, Tony Warren's ideas are not Biblical. He tends to spiritualize everything, as indeed do all Amillennialists. But the fact is, Christ hasn't established his kingdom yet.  Stan, I recommend you read this article with biblical references.

https://web.archive.org/web/20050409175313/http://website.lineone.net/~whtindle/about_sculpture.htm

This is to be fulfilled in the future.

 Mic 4:3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.>>>


What do the scriptures say?They are giving us a picture of the N.T. church.

1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Micah 4.

Please do not stop there,read on:

6 In that day, saith the LORD, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted;
7 And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever. Micah 4.

He can not be speaking of the Jews in the nation of Israel, and a glorious 1000 years for them.This earth will be destroyed on the last day.This earth will not exist for ever.God is talking about the New Testament church age.God is reighning now in the hearts of the elect.

andreas.

kai ean diabainhs dió udatos meta sou eimi kai potamoi ou sugklusousin se kai ean dielqhs dia puros ou mh katakauqhs flox ou katakausei Isaiah 43:2

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Hi Tony and company. can anyone please explain the following verse? Thanks!

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."
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Well, that is from a controversial chapter that I believe is almost universally misunderstood to mean a future event. Mr. Fred is certainly not alone in how he feels about this. Partly because we live in a "instant gratification" society that can't see the forest for the trees.

But the "context" is the last days (which is the whole New Testament period according to scripture) and the establishment of God's kingdom (which was at the time of the cross), and the cessation of warfare (which is also of Christ, the Prince of Peace). The problem (as I see it) is that people continually err in trying to look at prophesy as a physical/literal narrative. Worldly wars to cease, earthly kingdoms and thrones, physical lands, it is usually always the same error. A lack of understanding that scripture interprets scripture and that God speaks in symbolism. We pick up the context from verse 1.

Isaiah 2:1-4
  • "The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
  • And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
  • And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
  • And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."

I believe that these passages speaks not of a universal peace on earth in the future, nor in heaven at Christ's second coming, but to the prophesies of Christ's first advent. The last days are the whole New Testament period, the new dispensation of Christ's Kingdom.

Acts 2:16-17
  • "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
  • And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:"

The last days encompass the whole New Testament period, and was established in Christ's millennial Kingdom reign, and signified by the sign wonders at Pentecost. That is when the Mountain (kingdom) of the Lord's house was established over all kingdoms, and the nations or Gentiles began to flow into it. This is wherein the King or ruler of this Kingdom brought peace to the whole earth (as opposed to primarily Israel) and established judgment within the nations. This is how He ended their warfare. It is all pointing to the establishment of Christ's millennial kingdom reign, which is now. You may be able to see this a little clearer if we go about it systematically, letting scripture interpret itself. Here is a brief overview.


1. And he shall judge among the nations

To judge among the nations is illustrating that Christ will set up his Kingdom among all nations of the world, that it will no longer be primarily national Israel. Christ judges the nations as the sovereign ruler, governing all matters of God's law. Thus to judge among the nations means there will be a new dispensation, that Christ's kingdom will go to all, and He will sit as judge or ruler of all nations. Judgment is His rule of law, and rule is judgment. for example, even as the Judges God appointed in the Old Testament God were the rulers. Indeed it was for the purpose of executing this rule or judgment that Christ came. His Judging among the nations is in His establishing the kingdom that goes forth executing rule. And in order to do this, Satan, who rules over the nations, had to be defeated for man's sake.

Jeremiah 23:5-6
  • "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
  • In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS."

Executing judgment in the earth is the rule in the Millennial reign of Christ (which is the New Testament Period), not something future or after Christ's second coming. And those who serve Christ are given this judgment in Him.

Revelation 20:3-4
  • "And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
  • And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

Along with the coming of this Millennial Kingdom of Christ wherein the nations were enlightened, also came rule or judgment. The rule of God's law and the judgment of the Word. This is not something that is to come in the future, but that has already been accomplished by Christ. Even as Christ Himself explained.

John 12:31
  • "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out."

By whom? Judgment by Christ, that Satan's house or kingdom is being spoiled by the onslaught of this kingdom. So strong that the gates of Satan's prison house are not able to prevent Christ's church from being built in those Satan held captive (Hebrews 2:14-15). The nations are being judged among (even as Revelation 20 illustrated) by the advancement of the Kingdom rule. As it was prophesied by God.

Isaiah 42:3-7
  • "bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
  • He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
  • Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
  • I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
  • To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house."

Judgment is established in the earth by Christ so that out of the dark prison house of Satan's kingdom comes the spoil. In other words, the gates of Satan's house cannot prevent the Kingdom of Christ from being advanced among the nations or gentiles. This is the Millennial reign and clearly this speaks of Christ. It declares that He is the one that shall bring forth rule or judgment unto truth. What is being illustrated is a new prevalence of Christian principles among the nations or gentiles is established through the Kingdom of Christ. Indeed, it is written of Him:

Matthew 12:18
  • "Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles."

So it is perfectly clear that when God prophesies that he shall judge among the nations (Gentiles), it speaks of this same prophesy. This same establishment of Christ's Kingdom. Christ not only binds Satan that these nations not be deceived, but brings His law to the nations, convincing their consciences by changes their hearts that they are no longer deceived.


2. Rebuke many People

Too often today's puffed up Christians "full of themselves" look upon Biblical rebuke as an "attack" when it is often simply correction. By God's corrections, rebukes or warnings of judgment He brings the nations all over the world into subjection under His rule. Often how one reacts to this correction depends upon in what spirit they have received it.

Proverbs 9:8
  • "Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee."

As God says, "correction is grievous unto him that forsakes the way, and he that hates reproof shall die - Proverbs 15:10" Rebuke or reproof in the Word is how God corrects, and unfortunately too many do not want to hear it. I'm sure most of us have heard professed Christians, having been quoted scripture, say that "..if that is the type of God you serve, I want no part of Him." That's because they don't like what "That God" has to say. They want another god, another Christ and another gospel wherein they can have it their own way. They scoff and even bristle at the rebuke of God. Nevertheless, here and there, there are those elect of the nations, who will respond differently to God's rebukes. The rebuke of nations by God is not to their shame, but to their glory. He rebukes many nations so that they may acknowledge their sins, and turn to him. And to be sure, the election will. And these rebukes by God are often testified to by God's servants.

2nd Timothy 4:2
  • "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine."

Indeed, Christ commissioned his apostles, and indeed all God's servants to teach all nations, and this teaching is Christ's rebuke of the world and its glory. A rebuke of ungodliness and unlawfulness that is so lacking in our day. So while most people look at rebuke as a bad thing, sometimes in scripture God uses it as a synonym for convicting someone of truth, or to convince by the word, or to patiently rebuke doctrinal faults. When God said to Peter, "get thee behind me Satan," it was not to attack him, but to correct his beliefs. For God loves whom He rebukes, and we should have that exact same love for our fellow man.

Titus 1:13
  • "This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;"
Titus 2:15
  • "These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee."

Even as God rebukes unto salvation, so the servants of God, themselves made to reign in His kingdom, rebuke, that many might be zealous, repent with zeal and live with Godly enthusiasm.

Revelation 3:19
  • "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."

As illustrated in Revelation chapter 20, in establishing His Kingdom rule God binds Satan that the nations won't be deceived. And it is then that He rebukes the nations that they might also acknowledge their sins and return to the communion with God man had in the garden of Eden. As many as He loves He rebukes and chastens, just as He did with Israel. His pleasure is that the nations would be zealous and repent that He might have a people from all kindreds and tongues and nations. Even as Christ said so very plainly in His holy word, was what He came to do.

John 16:7-11
  • "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
  • And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
  • Of sin, because they believe not on me;
  • Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
  • Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged."

This is saying the exact same thing that Isaiah 2:4 says in Him judging among the nations, and rebuking many people. We just have to have our ears Spiritually tuned to receive what is being said. His rebuke is by His Word and His Spirit, convincing the nations of its sin, repentance and forgiveness.
 
 
3. Beat their swords into Plowshares & Spears into Pruninghooks

God prophesies here that the law, the word of God, shall go out from the Holy City, and would judge the nations that these people would change their implements of war into implements of peace. A sword is an instrument used for war, and the plowshare is a type of hoe used for digging, and is an instrument for farming in agriculture.

1st Corinthians 3:7-9
  • "So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
  • Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
  • For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building."

God is equating the people of His kingdom to those with plowshares who plant for the Lord. Just as the Kingdom of God is likened unto a sower who plants seed that it brings forth fruit. This signifies the kingdom of God going forth to the world, as plantings that are cared for and nourished that they might grow. In like manner, a spear is an instrument of war, while a pruninghook is an instrument used for plants. It is a knife-like instrument for pruning plants that they might grow better. Again, this signifying that these people will turn from being at war with God, to being spiritual husbandmen (farmers) working in His garden to care for the fruit of the field. Beating their swords into plowshares means they will abstain from warfare against God and exercise Godly charity (Agape) in well doing to others.


4. Nation Shall Not Lift Up Sword Against Nation

Before we became saved, we were at war with God, nation against nation, Kingdom against Kingdom, and our instruments of warfare were spiritual. God's kingdom comes by the Spirit of Christ with the sword of the word of God. And the nation at enmity with it comes by the spirit of Antichrist with the word of Satan. An epic battle between two nations that has been fought since the garden of Eden. Indeed, it is signified in

Genesis 25:23-26
  • "And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.
  • And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb.
  • And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.
  • And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them."

This signified the two nations that are at war with each other. The nation Jacob, whom God loves because he represents the kingdom of God, and the nation Esau whom God hates because he represents the Kingdom of Satan. These two nations struggle against each other even as Jacob and Esau struggled in the womb. Because they are at enmity with one another.

Matthew 12:24-26
  • "But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
  • And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
  • And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?"

Christ is at enmity with Satan, and his kingdom with Christ's. Two nations as diverse as the two nations struggling within Rebekah. But Christ came to spoil that kingdom, to prevail over its gates, to deliver these people that the nations would not be at enmity, and Satan could not deceive them and prevent him taking them by conquest. i.e., He came with the prophesied establishment of the Kingdom of God to make peace between the nations.

Matthew 12:28-30
  • "But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
  • Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
  • He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad."

In other words, in the coming of the Millennial kingdom of God, Satan had to "FIRST" be bound (Revelation 20) so that he could not deceive the nations any longer. that is the act of Christ that caused the nations to put away their swords. And that caused them to go into the business of plowing and pruning as Husbandmen for God. That they would be nations that would never again lift up sword against this nation. Two Kingdoms at odds with each other, two nations that cannot normally co-exist together, but when Christ binds Satan that the nations are not deceived, it is all different. He brings peace with the nations, having them join Him in communion.

1st Peter 2:9-10
  • "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
  • Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy."

There is the Holy nation that the gentiles do not war with anymore. It is God's Holy nation. The nations (or gentiles) are now coming into this Holy Nation as Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Ezekiel 37:21-24
  • "And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
  • And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
  • Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
  • And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them."

Not the heathen, but from among the heathen. They have strayed in forsaking God, but they were always the election, chosen unto salvation. The gates of hell cannot hold them when Christ's kingdom comes against those gates. So that never again will nation be at odds with nation when they are reconciled in Christ..


5. Neither Learn War Anymore

In Messiah's Kingdom reign, there shall be war no more. War is the opposite of peace, and is what we are when we are unsaved and at enmity with God. By the same token, when we are translated from the gates of the prison of darkness, into the Kingdom of Christ, our warfare is ended by the Prince of Peace. We are not battling with that nation anymore, we forsake such warfare governed by the Prince of Peace, with God. Even as prophesied.

Isaiah 40:1-3
  • "Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.
  • Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins.
  • The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God."

Clearly this spoke of the first advent of Christ, and the spiritual warfare of a nation that has been brought to peace with God, through Christ. This is something that happened long ago, not something to come.

Colossians 1:19-21
  • "For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell;
  • And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
  • And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled."

The warfare is accomplished, we have been reconciled to God, brought peace, through Christ. We are comforted (Isaiah 40:1-3) because we have come unto this Holy nation, this holy city, this spiritual Jerusalem that would not learn war anymore. And it is a holy nation and city made up of Jews and Gentiles, Greeks and Romans, whites and blacks, old and young, all who have traded in their swords for plowshares. All who substitute enmity against God with ministering in the kingdom of Christ as sowers, planters and builders.

So Isaiah 2:4 has nothing whatsoever to do with pie in the sky ideas of the world becoming Christianized, or there being physical peace all over the earth because Christ sits in the middle east, or the afterlife, etc. It speaks of Christ's first advent, and the imagery is illustrating the establishment of the Millennial Kingdom of peace and safety, of building and planting, of salvation to the nations. It speaks to the calling of the Gentile nations and the spread of the kingdom all over the earth.


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Great. What you just wrote is why you are Tony Warren, theologian and Web Master extraordinaire, and he's Fred. Because good theologians study the bible, they don't parrot others just for the sake of consensus. Thanks for the Bible study.

 Mica 4:1
 "But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it".

I'm assuming this is the same Prophecy in Mica?

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3. Beat their swords into Plowshares & Spears into Pruninghooks

God prophesies here that the law, the word of God, shall go out from the Holy City, and would judge the nations that these people would change their implements of war into implements of peace. A sword is an instrument used for war, and the plowshare is a type of hoe used for digging, and is an instrument for farming in agriculture.

1st Corinthians 3:7-9

    * "So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
    * Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
    * For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building."


God is equating the people of His kingdom to those with plowshares who plant for the Lord. Just as the Kingdom of God is likened unto a sower who plants seed that it brings forth fruit. This signifies the kingdom of God going forth to the world, as plantings that are cared for and nourished that they might grow. In like manner, a spear is an instrument of war, while a pruninghook is an instrument used for plants. it is a knife-like instrument for pruning plants that they might grow better. Again, this signifying that these people will turn from being at war with God, to being spiritual husbandmen (farmers) working in His garden to care for the fruit of the field. Beating their swords into plowshares means they will abstain from warfare against God and exercise Godly charity (Agape) in well doing to others.

Thank you Tony Warren for excellent explanation. I realize this is a little off topic, but how do we understand the following verses:

Eze 39:8-12


  • Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.
  • And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
  • So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD.
  • And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.
  • And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.

From what I understand Ezekiel 38/39 must be talking about the time of the end where Satan and his forces (Gog and Magog) come and attack church (mountains of Israel).  I understand your perspective about beating their swords into plowshares and their pears into pruninghooks, but how do we understand in Ezekiel 39:8-12 above that the people of Israel go out and burn the 'spoils of war', the weapons, shields, bucklers, bows, etc. for "seven years"?   Many professed Christians claimed that that event is about burning the spoils of war and burying dead soliders east of Israel, which I knew it isn't accurate. I wondering if you might share your belief on this? 

Why seven years?

Is there actually a 'grave" for Gog?  Who are the passengers?

Honestly I am not able to understand it if I tried to apply to the time of Second Coming? Or Did I missed something?

Peace,
Erik

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Great. What you just wrote is why you are Tony Warren, theologian and Web Master extraordinaire, and he's Fred.

   :laugh:

I hear ya!

 


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