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Eschatology / Re: This Generation Shall Not Pass Until All be Fulfilled
« Last post by Reformer on Today at 12:37:01 PM »
Everyone knows a generation is 40 years, this is nonsense to claim it means family. You got this nonsense from Tony Warren. Careful you are not led astray.

Generation is toldah {to-led-aw'}; from 3205; descent, i.e. family or figuratively ancestry or ancestral history; birth or genesis of something. Yes, even in the Old Tesament.

Genesis 6:9
These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Those Christians here who claim that a generation doesn't mean family, are actually very sloppy in their scholarship, which is typical of Premillennial theologians and their followers.

Looking at the context and declaration of Matthew saying "This Generation Shall Not Pass Until All be Fulfilled," the family of evil is the only way it really can be understood in the light of everything Christ said there. It's the generation of evil. The second coming of Christ is the only time on this earth when this generation shall pass. And it's the only time that the blood of all the righteous slain from Adam to anyone else will be fall upon this wicked generation, as they are judged. taking this generation as 40 years makes no sense whatsoever.

Eschatology / Re: This Generation Shall Not Pass Until All be Fulfilled
« Last post by Reformer on Today at 11:26:42 AM »
Why don't you ever answer a question? Is it because you can't answer all the contradictions that you make to scripture?

Of course. No Dispensationalist, or Premillennialist for that matter, can effectively answer biblical questions addressing the germane questions we post because to do so contradicts the passages we post. That includes the vaunted Dr. John F. Walvoord (as evidenced in his debate against a Amillennialist theologian). Unless they want to indulge in a colossal twisting of the verses and claim that it means something it doesn't say. Which is often what they do anyway.

David knows that his 40 years (160 as you said) theory doesn't match the generations the Lord says Israel were in Egypt, but understanding this as the 4 families does. Here's a quote from Tony Warren's article on the chronology of the Patriarchs.

They were promised to be in bondage 400 years, but in the fourth generation come out to take the land of the Amorites because of their sins. And as we saw in the record of the four generations in Egypt, according to God, that's exactly how many generations were in Egypt.
       The Generation of Levi
       The Generation of Kohath
       The Generation of Amram
       The Generation of Aaron

And they came out in the 4th generation (Aaron). 400 years in bondage in Egypt, 430 total years, 30 of which were spent not in bondage.  As quoted from the chronology of scripture:
       The Family of Levi
       The Family of Kohath
       The Family of Amram
       The Family of Aaron
They came out in the family of Aaron proving that God does not define a generation as 40 years. Yes, a generation can be 40 years, it can also be 100 years or 80 years, depending upon the Patriarch or family reference.
A generation is 40 years.

    Genesis 15:13
    And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

    And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

    And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

    But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Were the children of Israel serving their taskmasters in Egypt 160 years (4 of your generations) or 400 like the Lord prophesied? Why don't you ever answer a question? Is it because you can't answer all the contradictions that you make to scripture?
A generation is 40 years.

David, when God says he is in the generation of the righteous, what is he saying?

Theology / Re: 1 Sam 2:3-36 monthly devotion
« Last post by clark thompson on Today at 02:56:34 AM »
1 Samuel 2:35
KJV 35 And I will raise me up a faithful priest, that shall do according to that which is in mine heart and in my mind: and I will build him a sure house; and he shall walk before mine anointed for ever.

Recovery Version
1 Samuel 2:35
35 And I will raise up for Myself a faithful priest, who will do according to what is in My heart and in My mind; and I will build him a sure house; and he will go before My anointed continually.
COPYRIGHT 1997- 2017 LIVING STREAM MINISTRY. All rights reserved.

These are my thoughts.
Jesus would be this priest but God would rise up priests until His coming that would serve Him.
Miscellaneous Topics / Re: Trump Vs. Comey
« Last post by Pilgrim on Yesterday at 07:06:52 PM »
 :iagree: True aquatic. We just have to follow rules, don't be prideful, and no one will get suspended. I know it's hard for me not to be prideful, because the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. But we just have to ask God to bring our carnal nature into submission.
Eschatology / Re: This Generation Shall Not Pass Until All be Fulfilled
« Last post by Wanda on Yesterday at 07:47:43 AM »
:o I didn't know Sam Storms was once a Premillemnnialist.  That just goes to show God will call his sheep out from the wolves anywhere. See, you learn something new every day.

Reformer, Ernest Reisinger, a lot of very good Christians once were. Unfortunately, Dispensationalists are coddled in most Christian circles, it's refreshing that TW and some others don't play that game of "we're all good Christians with a simple difference of opinion" game.


Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth
by John H. Gerstner; 1991, 275 pp., Wolgemuth & Hyatt.
Reviewed by Ernest Reisinger

The long awaited, long-expected, and much-needed work on Dispensationalism has arrived.

I am most happy to write this little review, one reason being that I was held in the jaws of this warped system of theology for the first ten years of my Christian life. During that period I wore out three Scofield Bibles and was working on my fourth! For years I taught it with charts and maps.

Dr. J. I. Packer commends Gerstner's work in the following way: "In this book a clear-headed classical Calvinist challenges contemporary Dispensational Theology. Pussyfooting is not Dr. Gerstner's style; he values controversy as a way of clearing the air, and conducts it with bracing vigor. With skill and thorough knowledge he maps the geography of the gulf that lies between the two positions, and invites the reader to agree that Dispensationalism is seriously astray. All readers will be grateful to the author for clarifying the issues more precisely than any previous book has done. He sets out to show that Calvinism and Dispensationalism are radically opposed, and he proves his point."

Dr. Gerstner points out how Dispensationalism infiltrated the United Presbyterian Church of the North. Indeed this seems incredible because the Dispensational warped system of theology is diametrically opposed to covenant theology. He clearly points out the grave dangers of this system that has so many fine Christians and teachers deceived.

The Southern Presbyterian Church was not affected as much. Men like Robert Dabney wrote against this theology (See Dabney's Discussions, Vol. 1, p. 214, Banner of Truth Trust).

One of the many facets that Dr. Gerstner clears up is the claim of many, if not all, Dispensational teachers who tell us that they are four-point Calvinists. This book will prove beyond any reasonable doubt that they are not Calvinistic at all -- not even on one point -- rather they are Arminian to the core on every point.

The author addresses the contemporary Lordship controversy. He gives the historical context of the controversy and clarifies the terms of the debate. He crumbles the Dispensational house on this point. I think it is fair to say that, by reading the whole book, one must conclude that "non-Lordship salvation" is only a child of two dangerous parents -- the father is Arminianism and the mother is Dispensational Antinomianism.

When the open-minded reader finishes this book he will agree with Charles Ryrie's statement in his Balancing the Christian Life: "The importance of this question cannot be overestimated in relation to both salvation and sanctification. The message of faith only and the message of faith plus commitment of life cannot both be the gospel; therefore, one of them is false and comes under the curse of perverting the gospel or preaching another gospel" (Gal. 1:6-9). It is another gospel. The question is, Which one is the biblical gospel? Which one is the apostolic gospel?

Many Calvinists will not agree with Dr. Gerstner on every point of his view of the atonement where he disagrees with some of the great men of the Westminster Theological Seminary.

I wish he would have given more pages to the doctrine of assurance and to the Dispensational perversions of it. I feel the same way in regard to the moral Law and Dispensationalism. What is said is very helpful but since these are two areas where Dispensationalism is in complete opposition to all the respected creeds and confessions, they could have warranted a bit more emphasis. This book is an absolute must for all serious Bible teachers and preachers.

This book may be secured from Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service, P.O. Box 613, Carlisle, PA 17013.
Eschatology / Re: Why National Israel is not part of Biblical Prophecy
« Last post by ZeroCool on June 25, 2017, 08:45:25 PM »
You can't have it both ways. In truth, she is actually correct. People who use 1948 to prove that the nation of Israel is God's Chosen people, fulfilling the promise that there will never be an end of the nation, actually prove just the opposite. Since by their own declaration that she became a nation in 1948, that proves that the nation did come to an end.

 :GoodPopst: Tony, this post was probably the best retort against Dispensational's scriptures I've ever read. Nice job with Acts explaining Amos. Funny how it seems Dispensationaliosts have a point, until it doesn't. :cLaPpInGg:
Eschatology / Re: Why National Israel is not part of Biblical Prophecy
« Last post by Reformed Baptist on June 25, 2017, 05:35:21 AM »

There is the only children of Israel that will never cease to be a Holy nation before God

 :amen:  Galatians 6:15-16 "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God".
Eschatology / Re: Why National Israel is not part of Biblical Prophecy
« Last post by Melanie on June 25, 2017, 04:15:29 AM »

According to the following passage, national Israel will never be destroyed:

Jer 31:36-37
36 "If this fixed order departs
From before Me," declares the LORD,
 "Then the offspring of Israel also shall cease
From being a nation before Me forever."

"Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, and a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:"
I Peter 2:7-9

There is the only children of Israel that will never cease to be a Holy nation before God

37 Thus says the LORD,

"If the heavens above can be measured,
And the foundations of the earth searched out below,
Then I will also cast off all the offspring of Israel
For all that they have done," declares the LORD.

And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Matthew 8:11-12

The ofspring or children were cast out because they rejected the chief corner stone. The only children of Israel that God will never cast out is the spiritual nation that is perfect before God..

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