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Hello Diane,
 My thread has nothing to do with how women outside of the Christian faith behave.  I would like to keep it that way.

Thanking you in advance

Alexandra

Actually, I am referring to Christian women. Just got a little sidetracked. For the most part, Christian women are not modest in any way. Not in dress, not in relationship to their position to men, and not in their lofty usurping of authority. I am convinced that it stems from lax in Parenting and their refusal to teach young Christian girls the glory of their God given place in the world. I believe that it's an environmental issue any way you look at it.


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Hello Diane,

With all due respect to your reply to Bloodstone, please might I request that it be moved to the appropriate thread, the one in the link he provided.  My thread has nothing to do with how women outside of the Christian faith behave.  I would like to keep it that way.

Thanking you in advance

Alexandra

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I asked a similar question about modesty in 2013, Why are Muslim Women so much more Modest than Christian Women

http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=2940.0

Which to this day has not been effectively answered by any woman here. Perhaps you might be the first to actually answer my query of why? :)

I don't know why no one has answered directly, but let me be the first to give you a straight answer. I don't think the answer is that complicated. Muslem or Muslem women are so much more modest in dress and position than westernized women (and they are) for the most part is because of their environment. They've grown up in that type of environment and the good part is that they've been taught that from birth. It's part of the great universal truth that God has given us in his word.

Proverbs22:6
"Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it."

The difference is environment, or in other words, American women aren't trained from childhood the righteousness of dressing modestly as Muslim women are. Our women are trained by Parents who have little modesty themselves considering the dresses I saw in church before I left it. Their teacher is mostly the immodesty of friends, TV and the social media. So they all have a very warped sense of what real modesty is. It wasn't so long ago that (for the most part) women were pretty modest in America, with little temptation, long dresses and little makeup. But we have long ago left that sense of Godly modesty behind with the women's movement and sexual freedoms. As God put the responsibility on Parents to train their children, I see parents as the main cause of this growing lack of modesty, morality and even compassion. They too easily gave in to the fads, degradation and whims of both children and society. If you or I grew up in a muslin country, chances that because of the environment we'd be a lot more modest also. Of course, we'd probably be in another religion too, so would it really be a improvement?


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Why do men not take seriously that you can't look at a woman with lust or it's adultery? I see married Christian men googling immodestly dressed women all the time. Why not point the finger at them also?  It's a two way street.

Hello Rich

In reference to your comment about *seeing men googling immodestly dressed women all the time* might I ask, you, being a professing Follower of Christ, what your response to them is ?

Alexandra
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Hi,
  Is this meant to excuse social media men like Harvey Weinstein, and the great number of political men (mainly Republican) who have been revealed of late to have sexually harassed women? Because it seems to me this is meant to excuse them because they are men and wired this way? I hope not!

Hello Rose,

Matthew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

As at the time of my reply this remains a Christian forum with some sincere God fearing believers who share their Biblical views on life and all the issues pertaining to it through the Earnest study of the written Word of God ! 

I fail to share the consternation and feigned horror of the *Me2* brigade.  When men and women recognize themselves as little more than objects of adoration, operating like sexual predators and beasts, building so called careers through exploitation of themselves and others, then whine about it after potloads of money has been gained, my usual gentle heart turns to stone !!

As a believer in Christ, I absolutely fail to understand your comment and how you can even entertain your idea.

Paul urges us to be NOT conformed to this world, but to be transformed by the renewing of our minds.

Romans 12:2  And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

My very first thought when I briefly read of the alleged furore was Revelations 18; 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen ....

These things are to be expected ... Babylon is imploding ..........

Alexandra

PS.  NO amount of new laws can change the heart of man.

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Please excuse all the bold highlighted latter part of my post ... I tried repeatedly to fix it ... it was not intentional  :-\
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Greetings all,

Modesty is so much more than dressing ... comportment, attitudes, mannerisms ... the overall demeanour and disposition of a Godly woman must surely be the most Beautiful creature to behold, similarly, a Godly man, one who is confident of his Christlike masculinity and asserts himself with gentle kindness towards the weaker than he.

As followers of Christ, we are besieged by every manner of evil, beginning in our very homes through TV ... the insidious attacks of the evil one have sadly become culturally acceptable and we are at all times to be on our guard !!



I asked a similar question about modesty in 2013, Why are Muslim Women so much more Modest than Christian Women

http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=2940.0

Which to this day has not been effectively answered by any woman here. Perhaps you might be the first to actually answer my query of why? :)

Hi there Bloodstone,

I am not certain that I can satisfactorily answer your question, but I will do my utmost since it is a very serious issue that most certainly must be considered by those of us who sincerely and earnestly wish to follow the basic tenets and principles of the blood bought salvation to which we affirm.

I particularly wished in my initial post to isolate the discussion on *Modesty in Women* ... really wanting to hear from you gentlemen.  This immediately puts me at a disadvantage with those of my fellow sisters in Christ, but I personally, purposely want to hear what Men think ... God fearing, Christ following Men !!

When I do comment, I choose to speak for myself only.  I will do it this way since it is *I* who will stand before a Holy God on that final day, and give answer for my Own life only.

2 Corinthians 5:10  For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

I am fully convinced that if we as children of a Holy and Almighty God and Father postively and thoroughly comprehend the meaning of this, the wise would dare to think twice or thrice or as many times as be needed BEFORE making foolish and ill considered comments, and in doing so, there would be absolutely NO blame to anyone else, outside of themselves. 

Paul expressly says;

1 Thessalonians 5:22  Abstain from all appearance of evil.

23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. 

I therefore look forward to reading more comments to which I will respond.  Please be patient with me  :)

I end by saying this;  Babylonian mentality has insidiously beguiled and ravaged the very heart and soul of female society and in thus doing, has emasculated and impoverished men.  When Godly, Christlike women behave, speak, dress, smell, conform to and brazenly advocate a Babylonian lifestyle, the enemy is satified and God and his Holiness is reviled.

1 Peter 3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

The above red highlighted words are a cry from the depths of my own soul ...

I speak with utmost conviction as a Guilty sinner, redeemed only through HIS unmerited Grace and Mercy !!

To GOD BE ALL THE GLORY !!!!

Your sister in Christ
Alexandra
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Theology / Re: Did Jephthah Sacrifice His Daughter?
« Last post by Clifford Grodin on Yesterday at 01:26:46 AM »
Imply? Does that mean there is nothing in the bible that actually says she wasn't sacrificed according to the vow?
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Open Forum / Re: On modesty an open letter to the ladies by Michael Fischer
« Last post by Rich Aikers on November 15, 2017, 05:45:48 PM »
I asked a similar question about modesty in 2013, Why are Muslim Women so much more Modest than Christian Women

http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=2940.0

Which to this day has not been effectively answered by any woman here.

To be fair, that's like asking a Catholic why they worship the Pope, or asking a Baptist why they feel if you don't dunk in baptism then you're not clean, or asking a Dispensationalist why they ignore scripture, and so on. No one wants to condemn themselves, even when they know what you say is true. Why do men not take seriously that you can't look at a woman with lust or it's adultery? I see married Christian men googling immodestly dressed women all the time. Why not point the finger at them also?  It's a two way street.
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Open Forum / Re: On modesty an open letter to the ladies by Michael Fischer
« Last post by bloodstone on November 15, 2017, 12:25:58 PM »
Greetings all,

Modesty is so much more than dressing ... comportment, attitudes, mannerisms ... the overall demeanour and disposition of a Godly woman must surely be the most Beautiful creature to behold, similarly, a Godly man, one who is confident of his Christlike masculinity and asserts himself with gentle kindness towards the weaker than he.

As followers of Christ, we are besieged by every manner of evil, beginning in our very homes through TV ... the insidious attacks of the evil one have sadly become culturally acceptable and we are at all times to be on our guard !!

I asked a similar question about modesty in 2013, Why are Muslim Women so much more Modest than Christian Women

http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=2940.0

Which to this day has not been effectively answered by any woman here. Perhaps you might be the first to actually answer my query of why? :)
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