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Theology / Re: Job 1:6 - Satan Among the Sons of God
« Last post by Erik Diamond on Today at 03:10:58 AM »
Quote from: Kevin Wright
[size=0px]I understand what you guys are saying, but who were the messengers that sinned and were cast down and blinded? Israel?[/size][/size][size=0px] [/size]
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Yes the false messengers of Israel was cast down and their kingdom removed (Matthew 21:43) because of their unbelief.  These were the sons of God (Messengers) who have left their position or habitation as the people of God because they are going after the false doctrines. This was the falling away or apostasy of God's people. This happened before with Pharisees and Scribes (and their followers) in the Old testament congregation in the days of Christ.  Right now, it is happening with false prophets and christs and professed Christians in New Testament Congregation prior to Second Coming. [/size]
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Theology / Re: Job 1:6 - Satan Among the Sons of God
« Last post by Erik Diamond on Today at 03:00:08 AM »

Tony, are you an Angel? Or as you claim, are you a messenger of god?

Yes, True Christians are God's messengers (angels), witnesses, sons of God, ambassadors, kings, and priests in His Kingdom.   
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Theology / Re: Job 1:6 - Satan Among the Sons of God
« Last post by Pilgrim on Yesterday at 05:20:34 PM »
50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord
This will pretty much cover it all.

 :beating-horse: I'm so sick of hearing the name John Walvoord, one of the most  prolific writers of false prophesy and Dispensationalism ever, and one of the most respected for some weird and strange reason. He's even quoted on Reformed blogs and in periodicals. I just don't get it. Can one be Reformed and Dispensational? What is wrong with Christians? I put no stock in anything this man says about the angels or Revelation, he can't even get the simple things about salvation, the covenant or the church right. And yet he's supposed to be respected?
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Theology / Re: Job 1:6 - Satan Among the Sons of God
« Last post by Puritan Heart on Yesterday at 01:58:28 PM »
See my last post. Even the symbolism is literal.

Huh?  :Say_what:

Russell,
Really, no need for the frustration ... when the general consensus of *most christians* is what some believers ascribe to as their truth, I daresay, it is a most calamitous affliction of the spiritual condition ...

Jeremiah 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

It is not in the criticism that I oft times find the offense, it is in the obdurate, implacable tone.  Not even an intelligently self formulated argument, simply a regurgitation of *most christians* say *so and so* therefore, it is truth.  Quite lamentable ...

Alexandra
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Theology / Re: Job 1:6 - Satan Among the Sons of God
« Last post by Russell Lloyd on Yesterday at 10:01:11 AM »
See my last post. Even the symbolism is literal.

Huh?  :Say_what:
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Theology / Re: Job 1:6 - Satan Among the Sons of God
« Last post by George on Yesterday at 08:45:05 AM »
So Judgmental Alexandra. But Drew is correct in his understanding of the sons of God as angels, which as he proved even the Reformed teachers agree. Satan was kicked out of heaven in the war with Michael, the archangel.

I once thought that about Michael, Satan and the angels too George, but then I read the study of Revelation chapter 12 and my eyes were opened to a whole different perspective of Revelation as a book of great symbolism.

See my last post. Even the symbolism is literal. Don't be fooled by the Amillennialists here. There are many ways to have your eyes opened. One is through reading, and another is free will. The Reformed view puts you in a box that you have no power to escape from, where angels are just human and falling stars are Christians. Does that sound right to you?
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Theology / Re: Job 1:6 - Satan Among the Sons of God
« Last post by George on Yesterday at 08:39:36 AM »

We are the voice of most Christians, because most believe as we do. For those thinking as we do, that angels are angels and literal is literal, I would recommend the great read, 50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

https://verticallivingministries.com/2013/06/17/50-reasons-for-a-pretribulational-rapture-by-dr-john-f-walvoord/

This will pretty much cover it all.
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Theology / Re: Job 1:6 - Satan Among the Sons of God
« Last post by Drew on Yesterday at 12:56:42 AM »

Revelation 12:7 & 8

There you have where Satan was in heaven and kicked out. Start taking the Bible literally and you will see this. Drew is correct.

Thank you George,
  And I suppose they think the angel that John saw come down from heaven with the key was not an angel either, despite the fact God's word says he was an angel? They can't keep twisting what the word says.
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Theology / Re: Job 1:6 - Satan Among the Sons of God
« Last post by Drew on Yesterday at 12:52:16 AM »

Tony, are you an Angel? Or as you claim, are you a messenger of god?
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Theology / Re: Job 1:6 - Satan Among the Sons of God
« Last post by Kevin Wright on October 16, 2017, 03:45:20 PM »

2nd Peter 2:4-6
  • "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
  • And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
  • And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;"

It may "appear" that God's word says angels, meaning supernatural beings, but actually God's word there says messengers, and of course it makes much more sense if we read it the way it was originally intended, rather than arbitrarily adding a new meaning to the Greek word. i.e., [aggelos] absolutely, undeniably means Messenger.

Hi,
    I understand what you guys are saying, but who were the messengers that sinned and were cast down and blinded? Israel?
 :anyone:
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