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Philly Dawg

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2017, 06:14:31 PM »
It's going to be a rocky 4 years, I know that. Almost every week something new or some new controversy or some disparaging word or attack against someone. I'm embarrassed and sick of it already.   :-[
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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2017, 06:21:18 PM »
 :iagree:
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." (Isaiah 55:8-9)

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2017, 12:51:00 PM »
Not my business, but what your president is doing is a moral obscenity, his appointments are nothing short of financial larceny, his demeanor an affront to civility, his lack of presidential dignity appalling, his lack of knowledge of foreign affairs makes him an international pariah, and his child-like braggadocious, disgraceful for a grown man. That's just my opinion, for what it's worth!  :baghead:

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2017, 03:51:16 PM »
Not my business,

No offense, but you're right, it's not your business since you are not an American.


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That's just my opinion, for what it's worth!

IMHO, not very much. But like me, you are entitled to your opinion. Nevertheless, you don't hear me insulting Xi Jinping, the chairman of China do you?

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2017, 12:12:51 AM »
Fair enough.

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2017, 02:54:30 AM »
Ever notice how most of the Trump supporters act just like him?  Prideful, Nasty and Uncivil. In a word, unchristian. :thinker:

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2017, 03:12:17 PM »
Ever notice how most of the Trump supporters act just like him?  unchristian. :thinker:

Donald Trump is a Christian. Not a liberal Christian like yourself, but a Christian nonetheless.

In an interview after a meeting with evangelicals in New York City, renowned and respected Christian Dr. James Dobson told those in attendance that he personally knows the individual who led Donald Trump to Christ. Dobson added, “I don’t know when it was, but it has not been long. I believe he really made a commitment, but he’s a baby Christian.”

So he's not unchistian and only liberals think he is mean, racist or nasty. He will make America great again if you just give him the chance.

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2017, 04:24:31 PM »
First day on the job and he signs 3 executive orders: withdrawing US from TPP, freezes federal hiring, and limits overseas abortion funding.

If Trump keeps this up he will become the greatest President in U.S. History.

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2017, 04:51:19 AM »
First day on the job and he signs 3 executive orders: withdrawing US from TPP, freezes federal hiring, and limits overseas abortion funding.

One good thing (abortion) isn't going to make up for the hundred bad things he is going to do to this country. Even Nixon did some good things in his time in office.

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If Trump keeps this up he will become the greatest President in U.S. History.

 :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: :smileyBounce: You are such a jokester!

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2017, 06:06:18 PM »
If Trump keeps this up he will become the greatest President in U.S. History.

:-Oh-tHe-DrAma-: There is a reasonable possibility that he could be the worst President ever. But there is virtually "no" possibility that he will be the greatest President ever. He's too much a narcissist, conspiracy theorist, an immoral man, arrogant, irreligious, prideful, vindictive, paranoid, ungracious, delusional, immature, and insecure. And that's just what we have seen with our own eyes and are familiar with of him. Who knows what secrets are in his closet.  Good thing our lives are in God's hands or we'd be in trouble.

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2017, 12:59:55 PM »
:-Oh-tHe-DrAma-: There is a reasonable possibility that he could be the worst President ever. But there is virtually "no" possibility that he will be the greatest President ever. He's too much a narcissist, conspiracy theorist, an immoral man, arrogant, irreligious, prideful, vindictive, paranoid, ungracious, delusional, immature, and insecure.

The sad part is, that's not the half of it. Trump is a deadly media-made virus, with no foreseeable cure.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2017, 11:39:59 PM »
If Trump keeps this up he will become the greatest President in U.S. History.

Let's try and be reasonable here. Trump lost the popular vote by millions of Americans no matter how he pretends there was voter fraud. His own party admits that. That means over 2.9 million more American people voted against him, than for him. That's nearly 3 million people and nothing to scoff at. Second, he has a dismal 45 percent approval rating, one of the absolute worst in U.S. history for a President coming into office. These are facts, not rhetoric. No one, including most who voted for him, think he is, or will be, a great president. Except apparently his cult following. Talk about buyer's remorse!

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2017, 09:33:15 AM »

Trump is not a good man, much less a Christian man. Nothing is a better window into Donald Trump’s soul than a short clip of him meeting former Republican presidential candidate, and former Republican Senate Majority Leader, Bob Dole. Trump sees Dole, in a wheelchair, walks over, gives a cursory snobby greeting and immediately walks away. Trump’s visit was maybe 1 seconds long.

Obama sees them, and spends around 15 seconds talking to both Dole and his wife, then leans over and kisses Dole’s wife, Elizabeth (“Liddy”). Keep in mind that Bob Dole is a Republican and Obama is a Democrat. Yet Obama acted as a normal graceful human being greeting him warmly and kindly. Trump just blew him off. Trump is a selfish, self-centered man who cares about no one but himself. The point is, this is who Trump really is, it's not an act. He's actually a person without normal affection and grace.

Sometimes it’s not about what people can do for you.

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2017, 03:38:35 PM »
Bob Dole is still alive? I love his pineapple and bananas!

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Re: Is Donald Trump Already the Worst President in US History?
« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2017, 05:12:42 PM »
Bob Dole is still alive? I love his pineapple and bananas!

At least Bob Dole is a solid Christian Republican who served the military and this country with dignity and who all decent Republicans respect. Trump serves only himself and cleverly avoided service in the military, as has his elitist sons. But this typical of a Trump supporter, to attempt to joke about a handicapped person because he disagrees with something your idol Trump says. Disgraceful.


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If Trump keeps this up he will become the greatest President in U.S. History.

How can he be the greatest President ever when he is a "confirmed continual liar, delusional, egocentric, licentious, and more than a little monomaniac. Did I say confirmed Pathological LIAR! Most politicians lie, but not compulsively and nearly every time they open their mouths. The media has to actually make up new words in order not to appear disrespectful by calling him A constant LIAR! For anyone to call this man a Christian or to support his many disturbing beliefs and ideas, including his lies, dangerous paranoia and desire to torture the lawless, is to demean the name Christian.



Calling A Lie, A Lie
by Dan Berry

Words matter.
And from the moment he became president, Donald J. Trump has unleashed so many of consequence that the public has barely had time to parse their full implication. Words about the dishonest media, the end of Obamacare, the construction of that border wall with Mexico — this is an abbreviated list, and he hasn’t even completed his first week in office.

Amid the verbal deluge, President Trump this week repeated an assertion he made shortly after his election: that millions of ballots cast illegally by undocumented immigrants cost him the popular vote. If true, this would suggest the wholesale corruption of American democracy.
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Not to worry: As far as anyone knows, the president’s assertion is akin to saying that millions of unicorns also voted illegally.
But such a baseless statement by a president challenged the news media to find the precise words to describe it. This will be a recurring challenge, given President Trump’s habit of speaking in sales-pitch hyperbole and his tendency to deride any less-than-flattering report as “fake news.”

The words needed to be exactly right. “And the language has a rich vocabulary for describing statements that fall short of the truth,” said Geoffrey Nunberg, a linguist who teaches at the University of California, Berkeley, School of Information. “They’re ‘baseless,’ they’re ‘bogus,’ they’re ‘lies,’ they’re ‘untruths.'

Rarely are these words, each with its own nuance, applied directly to something said by a president, though others have also dissembled (like Bill Clinton on whether he had sex with an intern). “This is the very unique situation that we find ourselves in as journalists and as a country,” said Joshua Benton, the director of the Nieman Journalism Lab at Harvard University. “We have an administration that seems to be asserting a right to its own facts and doesn’t seem to be able to produce evidence to back those claims.”

Still, carefully chosen words can capture that. “A whole vocabulary has come bubbling up that would not have been used five years ago,” Mr. Nunberg said in an interview. “People are going to have to sit down and decide: Are we going to want to go over the moral consequences of telling an untruth? The mere fact of it being untrue? Or the fact that it’s bogus, baseless or groundless?”

Some news organizations used words like “falsely” or “wrongly” — adverbs that tend to weaken the impact — in framing what the president said. Some used “with no evidence,” or “won’t provide any proof,” or “unverified claims,” or “repeats debunked claim.”

The New York Times, though, ultimately chose more muscular terminology, opting to use the word “lie” in the headline. After initially using the word “falsely,” it switched to “lie” online and then settled on “Meeting With Top Lawmakers, Trump Repeats an Election Lie” for Tuesday’s print edition.

People noticed, and debated its use. That is because, from the childhood schoolyard to the grave, this is a word neither used nor taken lightly. It stands apart from most other terms in the linguistic ballpark of untruths, including “falsehood,” which Chuck Todd, the host of “Meet the Press,” recently used to counter the Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway’s Orwellian phrase, “alternative facts.”

To say that someone has “lied,” an active verb, or has told a “lie,” a more passive, distancing noun, is to say that the person intended to deceive. In addition, Mr. Nunberg said, “a certain moral opprobrium attaches to it, a reprehensibility of motive.”

The question of intent has informed National Public Radio’s approach to covering Mr. Trump’s many disputable claims: that he saw thousands of people in Jersey City cheering as the World Trade Center collapsed on Sept. 11, for example, or that the news media had made up a feud between him and the country’s intelligence agencies, despite his own tweets likening those agencies to Nazi Germany.

On NPR’s “Morning Edition” on Wednesday, Mary Louise Kelly explained that she had looked up the definition of “lie” in the Oxford English Dictionary. “A false statement made with intent to deceive,” Ms. Kelly said. “Intent being the key word there. Without the ability to peer into Donald Trump’s head, I can’t tell you what his intent was. I can tell you what he said and how that squares, or doesn’t, with facts.”

Michael Oreskes, NPR’s senior president for news, supported the decision. In an article on the NPR website, Mr. Oreskes said that “the minute you start branding things with a word like ‘lie,’ you push people away from you.” The inherent risk, he suggested, was that news organizations would be seen as taking sides.

Editors at The Times also consulted dictionaries. And they had some prior experience with the matter, having approved the use of the L word once before in reference to Mr. Trump.

In September, when he grandly announced the findings of a yearslong so-called investigation into what nearly everyone else never doubted — “President Obama was born in the United States, period” — The Times published a Page 1 article with the headline “Trump Gives Up a Lie but Refuses to Repent.”

Dean Baquet, the executive editor of The Times, said that he learned of Mr. Trump’s latest comments in a text message from an editor on Monday night. After consulting with other top editors, he decided that the use of “lie” was warranted.

For Mr. Baquet, the question of intent was resolved, given that Mr. Trump had made the same assertion two months earlier through his preferred mode of communication, the tweet: “In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally.”

(Nota bene: The tweet actually contains what might be considered two untruths — or falsehoods, or erroneous assertions, or bogus claims — since Mr. Trump’s victory was no landslide, but among the closer elections in American history.)

Mr. Baquet said he fully understood the gravity of using the word “lie,” whether in reference to an average citizen or to the president of the United States. He emphasized that it should be used sparingly, partly because the term carries such negative connotations, and partly so that it does not lose potency.

“On the other hand, we should be letting people know in no uncertain terms that it’s untrue,” Mr. Baquet said, referring to the president’s assertion of a voter-fraud epidemic. “He repeated it without a single grain of evidence, and it’s a very powerful statement about the electoral system.”

Mr. Baquet said that emails from readers seemed split on the appropriateness of the word’s use. Meanwhile, Mr. Benton, of the Nieman Journalism Lab, applauded its use as a noun in the Times headline (“Trump Repeats an Election Lie”); in this construction, he said, “the lie can exist as a reality distinct from the speaker’s intention.”

Over all, the tension between the Trump administration and much of the mainstream media is — what’s the word?
Troubling, according to Sara Brady, a crisis-communications specialist based in Florida. She says that a complete breakdown of the already fractious relationship affects everyone.

“The media run the risk of being disrespectful to the president of the United States,” she said. “But the problem is: If he doesn’t get called out in some way, we as Americans are never going to know what’s true and what’s not.”
In other words: Words matter!

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