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Right Wing Republican Racists
« on: April 25, 2014, 04:19:48 AM »
Nevada rancher defends remarks, loses supporters

The Republican guy who killed the two people He thought were Jewish is just a small sample of the sickness in the Republican right. Now we're hearing he was actually in the witness protection program spying for the feds while he plotted against the Jews. It's so funny how the right wing politicians always gravitates to these racists, until they open their mouths and reveal their true selves. Then they all want to run for cover. The same thing with that Lunatic Duck Dynasty Quack controversy where he opened his mouth to reveal his true nature. All of a sudden the Republicans want to distance themselves from him when they were crowing about his patriotism just a day earlier. And then people have the unmitigated gall to wonder why Jews, Latinos and Blacks don't vote Republican much? It's because Republicans welcome this type of trash in their ranks, under the moniker of Patriotism and anti-government. The Latest?


Republican Patriot Under Fire for Racist Remarks!
By Michelle Rindels

LAS VEGAS (AP) -- A Nevada rancher who became a conservative folk hero for standing up to the government in a fight over grazing rights lost some of his staunch defenders Thursday after wondering aloud whether blacks might have had it better under slavery.

Republican politicians from around the country who have rallied to Cliven Bundy's defense in recent weeks denounced the comments and distanced themselves from the rancher, including potential 2016 presidential contender Sen. Rand Paul and Nevada Sen. Dean Heller. Democrats were quick to pounce on the comments and label Bundy a racist.

Bundy has gone from a little-known rancher and melon farmer in rural Nevada to a national political star since he resisted the federal government's attempts to round up his cattle from federal land because he hadn't paid grazing fees for two decades. His supporters, especially those on the right, have praised him for standing up to what they believe is a heavy-handed federal government, and several armed militia members traveled to his ranch to back Bundy.

His comments were first published in The New York Times on Wednesday, but he did little to tamp down the controversy as he sought to address the public outrage on Thursday.

Bundy was quoted in a Times story referring to black people as "the Negro" and recalling a time decades ago when he drove past homes in North Las Vegas and saw black people who "didn't have nothing to do." He said he wondered if they were "better off as slaves" than "under government subsidy."

On Thursday during an outdoor news conference near his ranch 80 miles from Las Vegas, he echoed the same sentiment: "Are they slaves to charities and government subsidized homes? And are they slaves when their daughters are having abortions and their sons are in the prisons? This thought goes back a long time."

A statement on the official Bundy Ranch Facebook page Thursday said that Bundy was a "good man, he loves all people, he is not a racist man." Bundy explained that he wasn't saying anyone should be enslaved today.

Politicians who had defended Bundy quickly issued statements condemning the remarks.
"His remarks on race are offensive, and I wholeheartedly disagree with him," said Paul, a Kentucky senator.

Heller, who last week called Bundy defenders "patriots" for their stand against the government, "completely disagrees with Mr. Bundy's appalling and racist statements, and condemns them in the most strenuous way," said his spokeswoman, Chandler Smith.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Democrat who last week called Bundy supporters "domestic terrorists," also spoke out against Bundy's words.

"Today, Bundy revealed himself to be a hateful racist," Reid said. "But by denigrating people who work hard and play by the rules while he mooches off public land, he also revealed himself to be a hypocrite."
Bundy says he doesn't recognize federal authority over lands around his property that his cattle have grazed on for years.

The Bureau of Land Management claims the cattle are trespassing on fragile Gold Butte habitat set aside for the endangered desert tortoise, and that Bundy has racked up some $1.1 million in fees and penalties since 1993.

Supporters rushed to Bundy's ranch after a YouTube video showed federal agents using a stun gun on Bundy's son during a BLM roundup of the family's cattle. The resulting armed standoff became so tense that BLM agents and contractors called off the weeklong roundup, released about 350 animals back to Bundy, and left the area April 12.

Federal officials have said the agency would pursue unspecified administrative and judicial remedies, but BLM officials have not provided details.

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Republican Christians, do yourself a favor and steer clear of these Right wing fanatics and assorted nuts who hide under a sheet of Patriotism, anti-taxes and anti Federal Government. You're not doing yourself any good with God or man. You only assure that the Democrats will win another election. You want to win the White house? Stay away from these clowns, vote the hangers on out of office, replace them with conservative Republicans with intellect rather than hayseed and nostalgia.


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Re: Right Wing Republican Racists
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2014, 08:04:36 AM »
Like Women (no I'm not sexist), sometimes Republicans can be their own worst enemy. And I say that as a Life long Republican. They seem to just jump on any band wagon that comes along. The Tea Party. That Nut case in Florida who shot that kid. The  Duck Dynasty Guy. Now this moron? Stupid! People remember all this stuff when it just keeps happening.

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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2014, 02:30:17 PM »
The Democrat Party, the party of slavery, has a long history of aggressive and unadulterated racism. Today they are the party of lawlessness, welfare, genocide, and racism. The Democrat Party does not discuss its past or present racism, the media does not put it on display, and the history books are cooked to sanitize the public from the truth. For several decades, the Democrat Party strategy has been to paint their enemy, the Republican Party, with anything racist they can find, to vilify and attack with slander and lie with impunity.

The liberal media and Hollywood, combined with an ignorant public indoctrinated through a liberal leftist school system have worked together to successfully sell their propaganda to induce fear of racism amongst Conservatives, Christians, and Republicans in general.

The Republican Party was formed in 1854 to abolish slavery and challenge racist legislative acts initiated by the Democratic Party.
The Civil War was called by African Americans at that time as the War Between the Democrats and the Republicans over slavery. The Democrats fought to expand it - the Republicans died to end it.

Democrats, in 1854, passed the Kansas-Nebraska Act. This overturned the Missouri Compromise and allowed for the importation of slaves into the territories. Disgusted with the passage of this Act, free-soilers and anti-slavery members of the Whig and Democratic parties founded the Republican Party -- not just to stop the spread of slavery, but to eventually abolish it.

Emancipation? Republican President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation during the Civil War. In 1865, the 13th Amendment emancipating the slaves was passed with 100 percent of Republicans (88 of 88 in the House, 30 of 30 in the Senate) voting for it. Only 23 percent of Democrats (16 of 66 in the House, 3 of 8 in the Senate) voted for it.

Civil rights laws? In 1868, the 14th Amendment was passed giving the newly emancipated blacks full civil rights and federal guarantee of those rights, superseding any state laws. Every single voting Republican (128 of 134 -- with 6 not voting -- in the House, and 30 of 32 -- with 2 not voting -- in the Senate) voted for the 14th Amendment. Not a single Democrat (zero of 36 in the House, zero of 6 in the Senate) voted for it.

Right to vote? When Southern states balked at implementing the 14th Amendment, Congress came back and passed the 15th Amendment in 1870, guaranteeing blacks the right to vote. Every single Republican voted for it, with every Democrat voting against it.

How many blacks know that following the Civil War, 23 blacks -- 13 of them ex-slaves -- were elected to Congress, all as Republicans? The first black Democrat was not elected to Congress until 1935, from the state of Illinois. The first black congressional Democrat from a Southern state was not elected until 1973.

Ku Klux Klan? In 1872 congressional investigations, Democrats admitted beginning the Klan as an effort to stop the spread of the Republican Party and to re-establish Democratic control in Southern states. As PBS' "American Experience" notes, "In outright defiance of the Republican-led federal government, Southern Democrats formed organizations that violently intimidated blacks and Republicans who tried to win political power. The most prominent of these, the Ku Klux Klan, was formed in Pulaski, Tenn., in 1865." Blacks, who were all Republican at that time, became the primary targets of violence.

During the Senate debates on the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871, it was revealed that members of the Democratic Party formed many terrorist organizations like the Ku Klux Klan to murder and intimidate African Americans voters.

The Ku Klux Klan Act was a bill introduced by a Republican Congress to stop Klan Activities. Senate debates revealed that the Klan was the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party.

Democrats lynched, burned, mutilated and murdered thousands of blacks and Republican white's that were outspoken against the racist policies of the Democrats. The Democrats completely destroyed entire towns and communities occupied by middle class Blacks, including Rosewood, Florida, the Greenwood District in Tulsa Oklahoma, and Wilmington, North Carolina to name a few.

After the Civil War, Democrats murdered several hundred black elected officials (in the South) to regain control of the southern government. All of the elected officials up to 1935 were Republicans. As of 2004, the Democrat Party (the oldest political party in America) has never elected a black man to the United States Senate, the Republicans have elected three.

Fugitive slave laws? In 1850, Democrats passed the Fugitive Slave Law. If merely accused of being a slave, even if the person enjoyed freedom all of his or her life (as approximately 11 percent of blacks did just before the Civil War), the person lost the right to representation by an attorney, the right to trial by jury, and the right to habeas corpus.

History reveals that it was Thaddeus Stevens, a Radical Republican that introduced legislation to give African Americans the so-called 40 acres and a mule and Democrats overwhelmingly voted against the bill.

History reveals that it was Abolitionists and Radical Republicans such as Henry L. Morehouse and General Oliver Howard started many of the traditional Black colleges, while Democrats fought to keep them closed.

Many of our traditional Black colleges are named after white Republicans.

Jim Crow laws? Between 1870 and 1875, the Republican Congress passed many pro-black civil rights laws. But in 1876, Democrats took control of the House, and no further race-based civil rights laws passed until 1957. In 1892, Democrats gained control of the House, the Senate and the White House, and repealed all the Republican-passed civil rights laws. That enabled the Southern Democrats to pass the Jim Crow laws, poll taxes, literacy tests, and so on, in their individual states.

Congressional records show it was Democrats that strongly opposed the passage of the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments. These three Amendments were introduced by Republicans to abolish slavery, give citizenship to all African Americans born in the United States and, give Blacks the right to vote.

Congressional records show that Democrats were opposed to passing the following laws that were introduced by Republicans to achieve civil rights for African Americans:

Civil Rights Act 1866
Reconstruction Act of 1867
Freedman Bureau Extension Act of 1866
Enforcement Act of 1870
Force Act of 1871
Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871
Civil Rights Act of 1875
Civil Rights Act of 1957
Civil Rights Act of 1960

And during the 60's many Democrats fought hard to defeat the:

1964 Civil Rights Act
1965 Voting Rights Acts
1972 Equal Employment Opportunity Act

Civil rights in the '60s? Only 64 percent of Democrats in Congress voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act (153 for, 91 against in the House; and 46 for, 21 against in the Senate). But 80 percent of Republicans (136 for, 35 against in the House; and 27 for, 6 against in the Senate) voted for the 1964 Act.

Court records shows that it was the Democrats that supported the Dred Scott Decision. The decision classified Blacks and property rather than people. It was also the racist Jim Crow practices initiated by Democrats that brought about the two landmark cases of Plessy v Ferguson and Brown v. The Board of Education

At the turn of the century (1900), Southern Democrats continued to oppress African Americans by placing thousands in hard-core prison labor camps.

According to most historians, the prison camps were far worst than slavery. The prisoners were required to work from 10-14 hours a day, six to seven days a week in temperatures that exceeded 100 degrees and in temperatures that fell well below zero. The camps provided free labor for building railroads, mining coal-mines and for draining snake and alligator invested swamps and rivers.

Blacks were transported from one project to another in rolling cages similar to the ones used to transfer circus animals. One fourth of the prison populations were children ages 6 to 18.

Young Cy Williams age 12, was sentenced to 20 years for stealing a horse that he was too small to ride. Eight-year old Will Evans was sentenced to 2 years of hard labor for taking some change from a store counter and six-year old Mary Gay was sentenced to 30 days for taking a hat. While authorities sent whites to jail for the same offenses, they sent blacks to the prison camps with much longer sentences.

Thousands died from malaria, frost bites, heat strokes, shackle poisoning, others were buried alive in collapsing mines, or blown to pieces in tunnel explosions, and still others drowned in swamps or were beaten and shot to death. Every southern black citizen was a potential prisoner for any alleged small offense, including violating evening curfews. Through the prison camp system, southern owners of railroads, mines and farms had an unlimited source of free labor. The black prisoners played a major role the South's economic development. Bryan Stevenson of the Equal Justice Initiative, said, in his opinion, "the prison camps were a new form of slavery, but far more inhumane."

History reveals that it was three white persons that opposed the Democrat's racist practices who started the NAACP.

In 1922, Democrats in the Senate filibustered a Republican attempt to make lynching a federal crime

FDR nominated former Klansman Hugo Black to the Supreme Court. Contrast that to Republican President Dwight Eisenhower, who actually “sent troops” to ensure that schools in Little Rock, Ark., were desegregated and ordered the “complete desegregation of the Armed Forces.” 

Republican Dr. Martin Luther King, several Civil Rights leaders and many historians reported that during the first two years of his administration, President John F. Kennedy ignored Dr. King's request for Civil Rights.

The chronicles of history reveal that it was only after television coverage of riots and several demonstrations did President Kennedy feel a need to introduce the 1963 Civil Rights Act. At that time, experts believe the nation was headed toward a major race war.

History reveals that it was Democratic Attorney General, Robert Kennedy that approved the secret wire taps on Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., and it was Democratic President Lyndon Johnson that referred to Dr. King as " that n* preacher." Senator Byrd referred to Dr. King as a "trouble maker" who causes trouble and then runs like a "coward," when trouble breaks out.

Over the strong objections of racist Republican Senator Jessie Helms, Republican President Ronald Reagan, signed into law, a bill to make Dr. Martin Luther King's birthday a national holiday. Republican Senators convinced President Reagan this was the right thing to do.

Congressional records show after signing the 1972 Equal Employment Opportunity Act and issuing Executive Order 11478, Richard Nixon, a Republican, started what we know as Affirmative Action.

On December 15, 1994, federal Judge David V. Kenyon issued a court order to the Clinton Administration in the Case of Fairchild v Robert Reich Secretary of Labor (#CV92-5765 Kn). The order demanded that Secretary Reich and the Clinton Administration force 100 west coast shipping to develop an Affirmative Action plan to stop discrimination against, African Americans, Hispanics, Female and Disabled Workers. Female employees were being sexually harassed, Hispanic were being denied promotions and training, Disable Workers were being laid off, and African Americans were being force to work in an environment where they had job classification called " N* Jobs." Clinton left office six years later and never complied with the court order. The companies still do not have an Affirmative Action Plan.

President Clinton sent 20,000 troops to protect the white citizens of Europe's Bosnia, but sent no troops to Africa's Rwanda to protect the black citizens there. Consequently over 800,000 Africans were massacred.

During the 2003 Democratic Primary debates, the Rev. Al Sharpton, said Democrats take the black vote for granted and treat African American like a mistress. "They [Democrats] will take us to the dance, but they don't want to take us home to meet mama."

What about the reviled, allegedly anti-black, Republican "Southern strategy"? In order to escape their truly wretched past (click on the link for my short book on the subject), modern Democrats have adopted as an article of faith the bedtime story that, thanks to Tricky Dick Nixon’s “southern strategy,” the racists who had been the backbone of their party for the better part of a century suddenly switched to the GOP en masse some time around 1968, with the happy result that now all the racists are on the right. Presto — instant virtuousness and a clean slate!

Pat Buchanan, writing for Richard Nixon (who became the Republican Party candidate two years later) coined the term "Southern strategy." They expected the "strategy" to ultimately result in the complete marginalization of racist Southern Democrats. "We would build our Republican Party on a foundation of states' rights, human rights, small government, and a strong national defense," said Buchanan, "and leave it to the 'party of [Democratic Georgia Gov. Lester] Maddox, [1966 Democratic challenger against Spiro Agnew for Maryland governor George] Mahoney, and [Democratic Alabama Gov. George] Wallace to squeeze the last ounces of political juice out of the rotting fruit of racial injustice.'" President Richard Nixon, Republican, implemented the first federal affirmative action (race-based preference) laws with goals and timetables.

On December 3, 2002, President Clinton spoke to Democratic Leadership Council in New York regarding the future of the Democratic Party and how they could retake the White House. At no time did he address Civil Rights issues for blacks or doing things to improve the conditions of African Americans. His only reference to Civil Rights was Civil Rights for Gays. His only reference to improving communities was his recommendation to revisit the Marshall Plan to re-build communities in other countries.

After exclusively giving the Democrats their votes for the past 25 years, the average African American cannot point to one piece of civil rights legislation sponsored solely by the Democratic Party that was specifically designed to eradicate the unique problems that African Americans face today.

Congressional records show that all previous legislation (since 1964) had strong bi-partisan support, even though some Democrats debated and voted against these laws.

After reviewing all of the evidence, many believe America would have never experienced racism to the degree that it has, had not the Democrats promoted it through:

Racist Legislation
Terrorist Organizations
Negative Media Communications
Bias Education
Relentless Intimidation
And Flawed Adjudication.

In the final analysis, the racism established and promoted by members of the Democratic Party affected and infected the entire nation from 1856 (with the Dred Scott decision), to the 1954 (Brown v. Board of Education case). They have never offered or issued an apology.

It’s not as if Republicans are responsible for the woes of Detroit. . . There are no Republicans in charge.

It’s not as if Conservatives are to blame for Chicago. . . Liberals run it.

It’s not as if the Right Wing was engaged in voter fraud in Philly. . . Democrats won 100 percent of the vote in multiple districts.

Democrats, the left, and progressives have always been the party of permanent class status. Where would the Democrat’s be without the “exploited” worker? Where would they be without the “struggling” man? The American left has exploited, plundered, and manipulated their way into power since they first justified laws that banned freed slaves from owning weapons for self-defense. Democrats have built their image off of class warfare, race-based-politics, and envy. They promise, in every election, to better the lives of the afflicted by afflicting the affluent. Their entire philosophy is based, not off of individual empowerment, but off of gaining comfort through government dependency.

Liberalism declares rights are gifts from Government. The American Left appeals to those who identify themselves as victims in the same way socialists and communists appealed to the oppressed masses of Europe and Russia. The truth is, their policies only promise the destruction of the powerful, not the empowerment of the oppressed. And thus, the “victims” will forever remain “victims” of urban violence, failing schools, deteriorating infrastructure and welfare dependency.

The VP can say Republicans want to “put y’all back in chains,” in his best Ebonics, for he knows the ignorant will believe his lie, they've been programmed through decades of propaganda to do exactly that (it's not like the media is going to expose one of their own). The truth be told, the only one holding the chains on minorities for 150 years was (and is) the Democratic Party.

What about the eugenics movement that became Planned Parenthood, which the Democrats support? Planned Parenthood was founded in 1921 as the American Birth Control League by Margaret Sanger.  Ms. Sanger was a known progressive from that era and a firm believer in Eugenics and Race Control.  Contrary to current liberal beliefs, the original birth control movement of which Margaret Sanger was a proponent had nothing to do with a women’s right to choose.  It was all about white supremacy and the cleansing of the races.  It was about eliminating the undesirables.  And, yet the Democratic Party of the 21st Century continually claims that birth control is a women’s rights issue and has been so from the start.  They ignore the past because they do no want Americans to know the truth.

The founder of Planned Parenthood had this to say: “We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”  Margaret Sanger’s December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, 255 Adams Street, Milton, Massachusetts

A well- known Democrat and Supreme Court Justice, Ruth Bader Ginsberg, weighed in on Roe v Wade in 2009. In an interview for the New York Times Magazine, Justice Ginsberg said, “Frankly, I thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of. Unfortunately, the interviewer did not ask Justice Ginsberg which populations to which she was referring.

Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood was voted one of Time Magazine’s 100 Leaders and Revolutionaries for the 20th Century, she is an inductee into the American Nurses Association Hall of Fame and the National Women's Hall of Fame. Gloria Steinem recently wrote as follows about Ms. Sanger in Time Magazine: "The movement she started will grow to be, a hundred years from now, the most influential of all time," predicted futurist and historian H.G. Wells in 1931. "When the history of our civilization is written, it will be a biological history, and Margaret Sanger will be its heroine."

But has Planned Parenthood changed? It is significant to note that Planned Parenthood has never distanced itself from the vision and ideology of its founder. Successive presidents of the organization have praised her work, including Faye Wattleton, who said, "As we celebrate the 100th birthday of Margaret Sanger, our courageous leader, we should be very proud of what we are and what our mission is. It is a very grand mission; abortion is only the tip of the iceberg."

Margaret Sanger is a hero of Secretary State Hillary Clinton. “(Hillary) compares the eugenics advocate and racist Margaret Sanger to Thomas Jefferson. In fact, Hillary seems to think Jefferson was a lesser person than Sanger because he held slaves."

The Democratic Party agrees and promotes wholeheartedly with what Sanger said about Stalin’s Russia, “birth control… is part of the regular service of the government.” The saddest thing of all the racism, lies, and violence against minorities in the Democratic Party is they never retreat, never apologize, never take a reckoning of the havoc and destruction their policies and lies have fostered from the current devastation in cities they control to the hatred they fostered throughout the centuries that hurt or killed real Americans. Sadly, the Left's ardent supporters and the public in general, seem to have no aptitude to comprehend the outrageousness of their position.

And even more shocking are the number of Christians who belly-up to the Democrat Party and defend it.
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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2014, 03:43:03 PM »
For several decades, the Democrat Party strategy has been to paint their enemy, the Republican Party, with anything racist they can find

If you want to argue about the stupidity of the Democratic party, you'll get no argument from me. But from what I see and hear, the Democrats didn't do this, the Republicans did this all by themselves. No need for scape-goating. No one told these Republicans to jump on this bandwagon and support this Rancher who wants free grazing land? If he wants land for his animals, he should buy it like everyone else or get out of the ranching business. I'm sure he'd be the first to decry minorities getting anything for free, but here he is a Republican hero because he wants free grazing land. If it's welfare for minorities, it's welfare for farmers and ranchers.

And I'm sorry, but the Democrats didn't put these ideas that blacks were better off in slavery in this man's head. They didn't say it was because the blacks would have something to do (as if blacks don't do anything). These things came out of this man's own head. We can't blame everything on Democrats. I know that's the popular response every time from some quarters, but it misses the point. As does ancient history of Democrats being the party of slavery. As Republicans, we have to clean up our own house. As Republicans, we have to stop supporting idiots like this man, and stop lifting him up as as some sort of Patriot, which he is not. He's a freeloading, revolutionary wannabe.  It doesn't matter that it's public land, I can't go build a house on public land, I can't grow crops on public land, I can't dig a well and get free water on public land, and neither should he think he can get free feed. He's no better than the welfare people he condemns as freeloaders. He's a hypocrite!

No, sorry, this has nothing to do with Democrats. It has to do with our own stupidity as a Party. As for Democrats jumping on it? Of course they do, just as we jump on them when they do something stupid, which they do quite often. That doesn't make this man a Patriot, a Christian, or anyone deserving of praise from either Christians or Republicans. Yes, it's true, we are our own worst enemy. Not the Democrats, but we ourselves.


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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2014, 06:17:30 PM »
 &TY  :ditto:  I couldn't agree more Stan. If we want the White house, we're going to have to stop this ridiculous behavior of trying to make people like this a hero. Or blaming Democrats when it blows up in our face. I never thought about it, but you're right. He wants free Federal land feed for His animals and condemns free federal food for the poor. Can you say Hypocrite. Republicans obviously think backing people like this gains them votes, but they already have that vote. All this does is lose them votes from reasonable moderate people who would otherwise support them. I use the word, you use the word, because there is no other word for it. Stupidity!

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« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2014, 10:02:39 PM »
I have only one short comment. Isn't it amazing that some Christian's first response is not that this man is a racist, a bad Christian or whatever, but that he's being railroaded by the liberals and then going on a long rant about Democrats?

Next it will be the media's fault that this man has such vile thoughts in his head. They must have implanted them with microwaves, we presume.  ::)
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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2014, 01:06:37 AM »
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No one told these Republicans to jump on this bandwagon and support this Rancher who wants free grazing land?

You can argue all day if the land that goes back generations is legally his to use and make your best case, but what you can't do is equate this man's foolish statement to the position of the entire Republican Party ... and that is exactly the intent of this thread. It has only one purpose - to attempt to paint all Conservatives and Republicans as wild-eyed racists. This is the only game the Left knows how to play - it was the game Joe Biden was playing when he claimed the Republican Party wants to "put you all back in chains".  It is the racist game that the Left uses to silence and marginalize their opponents. Never mind what grievance the ranchers may have with the stealing of cattle and the heavy handed tactics of the Federal government - he's a racist. There you go - discussion over. Or was it about the desert tortoise?

Note the title of this thread, what does it say? Anyone bothered by this smear? "Right Wing Republican Racists" You think this is a level-headed assessment of millions of people? The entire history of the Democratic Party has been to silence, control, and manipulate Blacks, through violence, intimidation, racist governmental policies, and all sorts of trickery and lies meant to engender fear and loathing of the Republican Party. But it is always Conservative, Christians, and Republicans that are racists (according to the Left). The history of the Democrat Party is rampant, in-your-face racism, right up to today, but you can hear a pin drop. There is no thread "Left Wing Democrat Racists", even though that would be the truth.

Though the Democrats use abortion, affirmative action, welfare, and racist rhetoric to destroy the Black family, there is no outcry or concern for the destruction they've brought on a group of people. Liberals can openly accuse Republicans of racism - the Leftist media yawns, of course they're racist - they're Republicans after all. So it is business as usual - we have mudslinging equating the entire Republican Party as racists because they defend State Rights over against an out-of-control Federal government. N0thing to do with siding with a racist comment by the rancher - but that is the game the Left plays (racism is something they know very well). Slander and lies - that's what sells today.

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Isn't it amazing that some Christian's first response is not that this man is a racist, a bad Christian or whatever, but that he's being railroaded by the liberals and then going on a long rant about Democrats?

Rose, there was no "rant" - just a long historical archive of racism embodied by the Democratic Party. You dismiss it - of course. The man's sentiments toward  the welfare state and Blacks was racist, but believe it or not that does not mean the man is a racist. Do you feel morally superior by calling a man you don't know racist? Well of course you do. Labeling anyone they disagree with as racist is the way of the coward and thus the way of the Liberal. Even after Biden made his racist comments no one equated his idiocy with the entire Democratic Party - calling them all racist, or even calling Biden racist, not even me, and I am well aware of their racist history. Biden was attempting to manipulate a group of people  - but he's not a racist. He's a race baiter - using inflammatory language to incite and turn his audience against his political enemy. The rancher was overstating his case against the welfare state - but he does not hate Blacks (as far as we know) and should not be called a racist because of it. And even if he were found to be full of hatred - the only matter at hand up to this point is the rights of the State vs. the rights of the Federal government. But do you agree Rose that it is ignorant and foolish to title this thread "Right Wing Republican Racists"? Or does that make you feel superior too?

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If you want to argue about the stupidity of the Democratic party, you'll get no argument from me.

Good Stan. But it isn't only that their policies and history was (and are) stupid. It is that their core philosophy is racist and has damaged this country in innumerable ways since their founding. Many in the beltway are a divisive and vicious group of social ideologues that would say anything to gain political points.

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No one told these Republicans to jump on this bandwagon and support this Rancher who wants free grazing land? If he wants land for his animals, he should buy it like everyone else or get out of the ranching business.
All good and valid points. But the Republicans did not "jump on a bandwagon". The citizens of Nevada and others who opposed the heavy-handed SWAT tactics being used jumped to the ranchers aid. The Republican media covered it because they traditionally believe a large obtrusive Federal government is a hazard, as our Founding Fathers did also - which was on display for all to see because it was covered by at least on media outlet. The Leftist media did not run the story because they traditionally desire a behemoth State-run government that bestows its favors upon those it agrees with and stomps down its enemies. Thus, they wanted the rancher to be stomped into the dirt. Harry Reid was very disappointed calling the rancher's family "domestic terrorists" - again, no debating issues, just slander and lies - that's the Democrat's strategy whenever they are opposed.

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And I'm sorry, but the Democrats didn't put these ideas that blacks were better off in slavery in this man's head. They didn't say it was because they would have something to do (as if blacks don't do anything). These things came out of this man's own head.
You are right again Stan. The Democrats didn't say it the rancher said it, and it was wrong (neither did the Republican say it). But what else is wrong? In my book it is wrong to slander and make false allegations. Consider these gems that started this thread "Right Wing Republican Racists":

1. The Republican guy who killed the two people He thought were Jewish is just a small sample of the sickness in the Republican right
2. It's so funny how the right wing politicians always gravitates to these racists
3. The same thing with that Lunatic Duck Dynasty Quack controversy where he opened his mouth to reveal his true nature.
4. And then people have the unmitigated gall to wonder why Jews, Latinos and Blacks don't vote Republican much? It's because Republicans welcome this type of trash in their ranks
5. Republican Christians, do yourself a favor and steer clear of these Right wing fanatics and assorted nuts who hide under a sheet of Patriotism

Do you feel this guy's hatred - I do. What is he saying? Republicans want to kill Jews. Republicans are full of sickness and racism. Republicans are homophobes and haters. This is why ethnic minorities do not vote Republican -  they know they are sick racist homophobes and haters of Jews, Latinos, and Blacks. Get it.

So what can we conclude? Someone's rage and hate is on display here and it isn't the Republicans.  Why do people on the Left vilify and slander their opponents, you ask? Ever wonder why? I'll tell you why - it is because the philosophy of the Left is built on a lie - Liberalism is a lie. There is no argument for it - so the Left doesn't debate, it attacks individuals and groups with ad hominums like a bully on the playground. It doesn't win by gaining a consensus, it wins by forcing people to comply through the court system and imposing laws that no one wants. It is the man-centered, godless system that requires America (or any country) to be ruled by a system of men rather than a system of laws. Republican believe in the Constitution (a law), the Bill of Rights (law), the Bible (law), and blind justice for all under the law (law). Lot's of Laws established to keep men free from tyranny. All this is antithetical to the Left - they want the rule of men - and so that old warfare between Satan and God is played out in the religious/political system. You don't believe it? There are only two political parties because there are only two world views on which the are based. If the Progressive Republican Party joins the Democrat Party philosophically and adopts its ways, then another Conservative (party of Laws) will rise to replace it.

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They seem to just jump on any band wagon that comes along. The Tea Party.
The Tea Party is opposed by the Republican establishment, they are not "jumping on any band wagon". The Left hates the Tea Party because it fears them. They have been called racist (of course) by the media because the Tea Party opposes Obama's policies (Obama is Black - hence the Tea Party are racists. QED for the Left).

Meanwhile, the 99-percenters or whatever they call themselves show themselves to be hedonists and communists, America haters with violent tendencies toward overthrowing the government (they are also dullards that can't form a cogent sentence, i.e., the base of the Left). But despite the rapes, drug use, theft, violence, destruction of property, hatred, racism, and debauchery of the Left's version of a "tea party" the media cannot find anything much to fault. These lazy jobless whiners are "patriots" and the Tea Party that only wants their government to obey the Constitution and their oath of office, are racist lawbreakers. That's the upside-down wacky world the Left tries to sell the American people.

The Tea Party stands for the American Constitution, the rule of Law ... this requires a small Federal government with power returned to the States. In other words, the Tea Party wants a polite and civil society free of government intrusion and coercion (Boo says the Left and Right). They want to end the murder of unborn children (Boo says the Left and Right). They want to end  political favors, graft, money bundlers, and lobbyists (Boo says the Left and Right). They want a fair tax - everyone pays a fair percentage (Boo says the Left and the Right). They want term limits (Boo says the Left and Right). They want to end illegal immigration (Boo says the Left and Right). They want to stop the run-away government spending on useless Leftist programs (Boo says the Left and Right).  Mostly, the Progressive Right is in agreement with the Progressive Left, thus forces are at work to return  the country back to sanity (assuming that is possible).

The Tea Party are moms and dads, they aren't a political party they are a reaction to the trillions of dollars of waste, fraud, and overt lying and scandals perpetrated by the Obama White House and the Republican establishment that supports it. Thus, they are the enemies of the Progressive Right and the Progressive Left.

So, we've learned so far that the Left is a bankrupt political and religious system that destroys everything it touches. What - you didn't learn that? Really?, you should have already known it if you've been paying attention. Well, we'll work on it. At least we should  have a better understanding of the Left Wing Democratic Party's history of racism and how it uses race to attack it's enemies both today and throughout history (at least they can't lynch their opponents anymore  - slander is all they got). 

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Re: Right Wing Republican Racists
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2014, 09:23:14 AM »
You can argue all day if the land that goes back generations is legally his to use

No, I couldn't. Because if it was his, he'd have a deed to it like everyone else. And the fact is, he has a deed to "his land," but not to "that" land, because it's not his. All un-validated claims notwithstanding. It's all a smoke screen to justify his actions and prop him up as a anti-government hero. If he had any real claim to it, the courts would have settled it. But talk is cheap, and his talk in particular.


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but what you can't do is equate this man's foolish statement to the position of the entire Republican Party ... and that is exactly the intent of this thread.

From the title of the thread I'd assume it was to criticize the right wing racists that are in the Republican party, not the party as a whole. In all these years I've never got the feeling that Hammerle was anything but a Republican himself. I could be wrong and am certainly open for correction. But I think his whole rant was to warn Republicans to stop latching on to these type people and these type issues, which they always seem to want to gravitate to. Because when it happens, people make assumptions. Maybe they shouldn't but they do. Ronald Reagan had the right idea. Speak softly and carry a big stick. Many Republicans today seem to think speaking loudly, cause division and blame the government or liberals for everything is the way to get things accomplished. That never works, and after a while the short term effects wear off. There is a smart way to do things, and then there is a Stupid way to do things. When you read of all these Republicans scrambling to get away from this guy, that's stupid. Because it never should have happened.


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It has only one purpose - to attempt to paint all Conservatives and Republicans as wild-eyed racists.

Well Rancher Cliven Bundy certainly is. And many Republicans were foolishly flocking to him, so it's a fair point. At least I think so. The fact that they are now running away from him proves they jknew nothing about him and yet latched onto him for their own agenda.


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This is the only game the Left knows how to play - it was the game Joe Biden was playing when he claimed the Republican Party wants to "put you all back in chains".

Well, not the Republican party, but that guy (who Republicans were rallying behind) most certainly had that mindset that they'd be better in chains. And that's the problem. Because we wouldn't even be having this discussion if Republicans hadn't rallied around this guy supporting him and in essence giving him a platform for his twisted views. If Democrats had rallied around him, and he made these statements, you'd have a different tone. It all depends on whose Ox is being gored. I'm just trying to be fair and honest because as a Christian that's what I'm supposed to do.


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Note the title of this thread, what does it say? Anyone bothered by this smear? "Right Wing Republican Racists" You think this is a level-headed assessment of millions of people?

Yeah, the title is designed to inflame, I'll grant you that. But neither do I think many people talking about the Left Wing Communist Democrats is not a smear, but I hear it all the time. I just thought that as Christians we could rise above that. And you're right, the title of this thread is somewhat disappointing.


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Consider these gems that started this thread "Right Wing Republican Racists":

1. The Republican guy who killed the two people He thought were Jewish is just a small sample of the sickness in the Republican right
2. It's so funny how the right wing politicians always gravitates to these racists
3. The same thing with that Lunatic Duck Dynasty Quack controversy where he opened his mouth to reveal his true nature.
4. And then people have the unmitigated gall to wonder why Jews, Latinos and Blacks don't vote Republican much? It's because Republicans welcome this type of trash in their ranks
5. Republican Christians, do yourself a favor and steer clear of these Right wing fanatics and assorted nuts who hide under a sheet of Patriotism

Do you feel this guy's hatred - I do. What is he saying? Republicans want to kill Jews. Republicans are full of sickness and racism. Republicans are homophobes and haters. This is why ethnic minorities do not vote Republican -  they know they are sick racist homophobes and haters of Jews, Latinos, and Blacks. Get it.

Again John, I think Hammerle is Republican. As am I. I didn't get the hared from his post you did, I got the frustration of knowing my party is at it again making things more difficult for us to win national elections. When he says the Republican right, I think he means the fanatical part, not the vast majority of Republicans. When he says it's so funny how the right wing politicians always gravitates to these racists, that was my first thought also. Why do they always have to be on the side of obvious racists. I won't name all the examples, as we all know who they are. Even you can't bring yourself to call this man a racist, even though he so obviously is. Judge Not?

Hammerle cannot be anti-Republican because his last words were to Republican Christians to do themselves a favor and steer clear of these Right wing fanatics and assorted nuts who hide under a sheet of Patriotism. So it's not against Republicans, but against the right wing fanatics. Just like the Democrats used to say not long ago to stay away from the Liberal fanatics of the party like the Kennedys. They weren't dissing their party, they were trying to correct it. No one listened to them and look what happened to the party? There isn't even a conservative side anymore, there's only moderate and Liberal. So we'd do well to actually  heed some of the things that are said, for the good of the party.

My feeling is that we should stick with the issues and stop support these type of people just to get attention or use some  senile rancher who wants free grazing land and blames the Federal government for all his woes. That sounds too familiar a note for me. And it inevitably blows up in their faces.


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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2014, 10:43:20 AM »

I'm sorry. Didn't mean to create a firestorm. I won't add wood to the fire. But for the record, I'm a registered Republican, Conservative Reformed Christian. So obviously I don't hate Republicans. I'll just leave it at that for the sake of unity.


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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2014, 07:11:53 PM »
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From the title of the thread I'd assume it was to criticize the right wing racists that are in the Republican party, not the party as a whole
Which is in itself a problem. If you disagree with the ranchers claim to the land - fine. But don't take a seemingly racist comment by the rancher and imply that those who defend his right not to be terrorized by the State are racist and secretly agree with his opinion (the so-called 'running away' of Republicans was not from his cause but rather their condemnation of his comment. The cause will continue).

Today racism flows from everyone's lips like drivel ... it has no meaning anymore. There are real racists out there, and they really do hate certain groups of people because of their skin color. These people would seek out and kill - if given the chance (and sometimes do). This is not the case with this rancher. People on both sides can be wrong or hold incorrect ideas and even make poorly reasoned statements that are ignorant, without being a racist. By calling someone you dislike or disagree with - racist - is a similar shade of tactic used by real racists, and it is disgusting and deplorable. Certain Blacks malign and defame Whites - not because they have a reasoned argument, they have none. But they do so because they hate - with seething hatred - toward White people, because they are white - that's racism. These are the kind of people that when they get bored they attack and kill a White - just because he's White and they want to have fun. Hate on display. Real hate! It's out there in both directions.

It doesn’t do either Republican or Democrats any service when they call everyone that disagrees with their position "racist".  It a substitute for a cogent argument, because once labelled a racist there is no need for further discussion. So it is the tactic of cowards. It is as wrong if a Republican does it (I  have no memory of prominent Republicans doing so, but it would still be wrong) as if a Democrat does it (which is done constantly, openly or through innuendo - i.e., the  Republicans are using racist 'code' words, etc., just watch MSNBC for an hour). Again, the Democrats make a living off of peddling race and racism. It is unseemly and despicable.

So, fight all day about the rancher's land use rights, argue about it on its merits, and condemn the ranchers comment on Blacks - that's fair. But don't assign those that defend him as racist. They defend him based on the facts of his case not on his opinion that Blacks are better off on plantations of old. That's a stupid statement that lets the Left turn the Federal governments overreach into their favorite game - racism, and it was stupid of him to say it on a number of levels. However, history will show that the Black family has been devastated by welfare and social programs that have in-fact created a worse situation for Blacks than they experienced prior to the mid-1960's when most economic and social markers were improving (until the government stepped in). That was what the rancher was trying to say - but didn't.

Through the 1950's (due to WWII and the Korean War, through which Blacks served heroically side-by-side with Whites) the country as a whole was awakening to the sickness of racism (the country had grown tired of the overt racism from Democrats, particularly the southern states, and began turning against the Democrat propaganda machine). If the rancher had explained how the welfare reform policies since the 1960's has destroyed the Black family (in every conceivable way: divorce, suicide, imprisonment, poverty, abortion, out of wedlock births, drug use, education, social acceptance and on and on), then the rancher would have made a reasonable point worth debating. His statement sounds like he is saying he personally wants Blacks to be on a plantation - his hyperbole gave those who wished to make that claim all the ammunition they needed.

With a country accustomed to hearing Democrats rail against racist Republicans, the rancher's goose was cooked. But, just because so many at a drop of the hat call another person (they don't know at all) racist, doesn't make these attacks legitimate or morally right. And it is worse, far worse, to extrapolate the thoughts of an old rancher in Nevada and apply it to an entire political party, or even part of that party. That is the race game the Left plays - it should never be used by Republicans or Conservatives.

Leave the lying, muckraking and slandering to the Democrats. You can feel sorry for them, because that's all they've got.

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Re: Right Wing Republican Racists
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2014, 01:49:04 AM »
If you disagree with the ranchers claim to the land - fine. But don't take a seemingly racist comment by the rancher and imply that those who defend his right not to be terrorized by the State are racist and secretly agree with his opinion

Seemingly racist comments? And you think he's being terrorized by the state? Wow!I am surprised to hear you say that, it's quite radical. I guess we don't really know people on these forums, even when we think we do from their posts. I'm sorry, but there's nothing "seemingly" racist about his comments. They "are" the epitome of racism. If he's not a racist, there's no such thing as racism. I guess you can completely ignore the meaning of the word. It's sad you sound so bitter against the government, one might even say hateful. But the government is terrorizing this rancher, and I've followed this story from its beginning. They are simply asking him to abide by the same rules and laws that the rest of us have to abide by.


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Today racism flows from everyone's lips like drivel ... it has no meaning anymore.

You're making statements that aren't true. You take the few people who use racism as a crutch, and then you apply it to everyone as if this is the norm. That's not true at all. It's the same tactic to promote emotionalism that the other side uses.  If we can't say a person who believes that black people were better off in slavery because then they'd have something to do is racist, then the whole world has gone crazy. Once it was blacks always playing the race card, but now it's turned around and it's some white Republicans who play it all the time in the reverse way, to pretend there is no racism. Shame on them and shame on you.


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There are real racists out there, and they really do hate certain groups of people because of their skin color.

And it's a shame that you are blinded to them, while falsely seeing hatred of Republicans in Hammerle's post, even though he is a Republican himself and was doing nothing more than warning his party. Yet "curiously" you can't see the obvious hatred of blacks in this Rancher's words. It seems you see what you want to see. And aren't you the one who justified one Reformed author of civil war vintage (whose name escapes me) who wrote the most vile things about Negros, saying it was just a part of his upbringing and era? You seem to be on some kind of justification of these people. Makes you sound like a very bitter man against a group of people and the government, which is quite unchristian. Not that you care about anyone's opinion but your own, but I had to take note.


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These people would seek out and kill - if given the chance (and sometimes do). This is not the case with this rancher.


You're saying because this Rancher hasn't killed anyone, that exonerates him from being a racist? Again, you're making untrue statements, and defining terms any way you see fit to justify this man. That's not the definition of a Racist. And everyone knows that. Even you. But you choose to use the personal dictionary of your own opinion. Fine. But the truth is that no person who is not a racist uses that type terminology about a whole other group of people based on their race (color). It's called racism for a reason. If I were ever to say Black people were better off when they were slaves (an obviously ludicrous statement) you have my permission to call me a racist, because I would be. So get a grip on reality.


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People on both sides can be wrong or hold incorrect ideas and even make poorly reasoned statements that are ignorant, without being a racist.

What did you create your own dictionary? Ignorance is not knowing something, this rancher knows perfectly well his disdain for black people and his desire that they be back in chains where they'd be better off. Racism is a lack of tolerance of or hatred for of people of different color or other races. Racism is demonstrating a disdain toward members of another race on the basis of their race. And this rancher clearly thinks blacks are beneath white people, better off in chains (because they don't do anything and at least would have work). To say otherwise is ridiculous. Unless one is a closet racist themselves or this man is mentally ill, then he's not ignorant, he's racist.


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It doesn’t do either Republican or Democrats any service when they call everyone that disagrees with their position "racist".

Do you think no one sees what you are doing John? You're trying to cloud the issue. Yes, we disagree with this Rancher's position because it is Racist. OK. Nothing more sinister than that. It's flat out, plain, open Racism. And the fact that you justify it is disturbing. Not that you care, but it is.


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So, fight all day about the rancher's land use rights,

What's to fight about. He doesn't own the land, it's as obvious as the nose on my face. Land use right you say? You don't simply use other people's land just because it's been done for years, it has to be your own land, deeded and registered. Any fool knows that. Only the anti-government radicals can turn this into a land rights issue. All this Right Wing nonsense about States Right (to justify Slavery) and land rights (to justify stealing) or constitutional Rights (to avoid paying taxes) is all a smoke screen to hide their greed. It all boils down to Avarice or Greed. Something Christ warned about in his sermons. You talk about merits, argue that on its merits. Not that this man is not a racist, because that sentiment has no merit.


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However, history will show that the Black family has been devastated by welfare and social programs


Changing the subject doesn't justify his racism.


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that have in-fact created a worse situation for Blacks than they experienced prior to the mid-1960's when most economic and social markers were improving (until the government stepped in). That was what the rancher was trying to say - but didn't.

He told you that in a dream? Or is that what the Republican Radicals will be coaching him to come out with as an excuse? Because there was no slavery in 1960 or anywhere near then. So your argument/justification of this Rancher's comments make no sense. And just for the record, if that was what he meant to say, he would have said that. No, that's what you say.


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Leave the lying, muckraking and slandering to the Democrats. You can feel sorry for them, because that's all they've got.

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Lying and muckraking is not only by Democrats, as any true Christian knows its politics and goes on in both camps. Any honest Christian would not contradict that statement. There's even been a poll conducted by impartial group that found 51 percent of Democratic TV ads were deceptive and 55 percent off Republican ads were. So don't act as if it is only the Democrats muckraking, because that is beneath you. As one of Jewish heritage, I deplore this type of racism, and more importantly, those in the closet who justify it.

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Re: Right Wing Republican Racists
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2014, 03:04:05 AM »
"Just when I think I'm out, they draw me back in."

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Wave the Flag, Claim to be a God fearing, gun tote'n Christian, refuse to pay your taxes as your cows graze for free off goverment land, and every Republican politician will crawl out of the woodwork to call you a great American Patriot and offer you up as a good Tea party candidate for office. Ahhhhh, but then begin to show your true colors (excuse the pun), spout all your pent-up Anti-black Racism and warped semi-senile thinking and show you are more than anti-government (which is anti-christian rebellion by the way), and the next thing you know, all the Republicans scramble like roaches when you turn the lights on to distance themselves. Oh yeah, Stupid is a good word for it. Instead of fighting against the overthrow of traditional marriage, sexual promiscuity, abortions, our crumbling infrastructure, the systematic emasculation of men, the removal of God from nearly everything, the rebuilding of Russia, the sexual orientation being taught our children, the outsourcing of jobs to China, the failure of our churches and a hundred other "real" problems, they're defending the Tea Party and bone-head racists rights to be racist and use government land for free. Go Figure! Kinda lets you know where their heart is, doesn't it.They think just as long as they keep blaming the Democrats, they'll get more people on their side. In a word, Stupid! It's never worked except in states that were already Republican to start with. The swing states is where they need to work. But they are too stupid to figure it out. They need the "sensible"  states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, etc. They need these people, not the voters of Texas and Mississippi. If they ever figure out how close these states are, they might actually make a comeback in national elections, rather than losing votes in these key states. It's just like Donald Sterling, owner of the Clippers being caught on tape making racist comments. I'm sure because he is Republican, some "people" will write how he's not racist and there's to much calling people racist or no such thing as racism for all intents and purposes. It's just Stupid! Always has been and always will be. But it's because some people have that pent-up disdain within themselves.
 
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Re: Right Wing Republican Racists
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2014, 04:08:25 AM »
It's just like Donald Sterling, owner of the Clippers being caught on Tape Making Racist. I'm sure because he is Republican, some "people" will write how he's not racist and there's to much calling people racist or no such thing as racism for all intents and purposes. It's just Stupid! Always has been and always will be. But it's because some people have that pent-up disdain within themselves.
 
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What did Donald Sterling do, I haven't heard anything about him.


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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2014, 07:11:57 AM »
It's just like Donald Sterling, owner of the Clippers being caught on Tape Making Racist. I'm sure because he is Republican, some "people" will write how he's not racist and there's to much calling people racist or no such thing as racism for all intents and purposes. It's just Stupid! Always has been and always will be. But it's because some people have that pent-up disdain within themselves.
 
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What did Donald Sterling do, I haven't heard anything about him.

You will, he's been all over the news today. Another racist moron. Yes John, I said "Racist." Although this is nothing new with him, he's been known to be that way for a long time. It really shouldn't come as any surprise to anyone. What's really ironic is he was about to receive an award from the NAACP. Another Moronic group.



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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2014, 02:09:53 PM »
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  they're defending the Tea Party and bone-head racists rights to be racist and use government land for free.
And... my point is proven. Over and over.

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Seemingly racist comments? And you think he's being terrorized by the state? Wow!I am surprised to hear you say that, it's quite radical

What is radical are an armed intrusion into his ranch, snipers, heavy weapons, killing cattle, stealing cattle, etc. That is not how you deal with public citizens. We saw similar heavy handed tactics used at Waco and Ruby Ridge - with disastrous consequences.

 
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If we can't say a person who believes that black people were better off in slavery because then they'd have something to do is racist, then the whole world has gone crazy.

Lieberman, I'm not going to defend the error of his comment. But I can see what he was trying to do. Yet, to compare current conditions of Blacks (which is bad) with slavery is ludicrous. As I said, the proper comparison is between the social-economic positions of Black prior to affirmative action and today - those stats are horrific (in the destruction that has occurred). I see a foolish old man who made an insensitive comment easily construed as racist, even if he didn't mean it to be - but that does not mean he personally is racist. You and I do not know anything more about him. You assume he is a racist ... I don’t ... ultimately  it has no bearing on the grazing land debate.

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If he's not a racist, there's no such thing as racism

Racism is the belief that another racial group is inferior, usually associated with hatred and violence toward that group, and a belief that your race is superior. That's racism. How do you get that from the rancher's remark? You didn't. You were offended by his remark, as everyone should be, and since it had something to do with race - ipso facto, he's a racist. I give people the benefit of the doubt - unless I hear otherwise.

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Changing the subject doesn't justify his racism.

No, same subject. The destruction of the Black family was the subject of the rancher’s comment, it was his main point. The idea that Blacks would be better off under slavery is obviously a stupid statement. The rancher thought his comparison of slavery to current conditions would demonstrate how bad things are today ... but that is a foolish comparison.

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Once it was blacks always playing the race card, but now it's turned around and it's some white Republicans who play it all the time in the reverse way, to pretend there is no racism. Shame on them and shame on you.

Yeah, nice try. If we don't call the rancher a racist then we are either racist ourselves or we are pretending  there is no racism. Ah, the old false choice argument. If you’re not in agreement then you are a racist, or a reverse-racist which is another way of calling someone a racist. Again, proving my point. Racism is a word that flows from ignorant people's mouths like drivel.

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And it's a shame that you are blinded to them, while falsely seeing hatred of Republicans in Hammerle's post, even though he is a Republican himself and was doing nothing more than warning his party.

He can warn his party - no issues. But go to the top of the page and read the thread's subject line again. What does it say? "Right Wing Republican Racists" What did he say in his post? Right wingers always gravitate to racists, Republicans are sick, Lunatics, racists, blah, and blah. You'd expect that from the Left, rude and offensive speech is their mainstay. It doesn't prove his point, it is pointless rhetoric used when you have no point.

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Yes, we disagree with this Rancher's position because it is Racist. OK. Nothing more sinister than that.

I disagree with the rancher's position and how he handled it (ignoring court orders). I disagree with how the State (Feds) handled it too. That is not the sinister part. The  sinister part occurred when someone took the rancher's comment and tried to use it as proof that the Republicans and Conservative that defended the rancher are doing so because they agree with the rancher's supposed racism and are racist too (along with the entire Republican party, the Tea Party, and the man on the moon). Calling people racists is sinister to me, you'd better be darn sure you've got it right before claiming someone thinks their race is superior and another is inferior - it implies the lowest regard for people, which often verges on disdain and hatred. You obviously see that ... I don't.

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And aren't you the one who justified one Reformed author of civil war vintage (whose name escapes me) who wrote the most vile things about Negros, saying it was just a part of his upbringing and era? You seem to be on some kind of justification of these people.

Proved my point again. What you are pecking around trying to insinuate (to give you room for plausible deniability later) is that you want everyone to believe that I'm a racist, just like the Republicans, just like the rancher, just like some other guy you can't remember .... charges of racism dribbles out of people's mouths without a thought attached to it. You've adopted the tactics of the Left ... I suppose I can forgive you since the Left has inundated the culture with fear, fear of being called a racist, in order to silence dissent, that many people have become accustomed to making the same assertion robotically. It's what passes for reasoned debate today.

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If I were ever to say Black people were better off when they were slaves (an obviously ludicrous statement) you have my permission to call me a racist, because I would be. So get a grip on reality.

No, I wouldn't call you a racist. I would call your assessment of slavery "an obviously ludicrous statement", as you have accurately done. Ludicrous statements do not make someone a racist. Slavery was a racist institution because it was based on the idea that Blacks were inferior - that's racism. The rancher was not stating Blacks are inferior but (pay attention) that Blacks were better off in some ways under slavery. That right there is an "obviously ludicrous statement", slavery was horrific, and the rancher need to "get a grip on reality". But again, he isn't advocating for slavery. He was making a false comparison. That's the reality.

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Ignorance is not knowing something, this rancher knows perfectly well his disdain for black people and his desire that they be back in chains where they'd be better off.

Again, you can make hay with his opinion all day and assign all kinds of evil intent. You've added "disdain for Black people" to his comment - how do you know his heart? You say it is "his desire that they be back in chains", you are implying that, you don't know that. We do know that his contrasting today's situation with the past so as to imply that things today are so bad that Blacks would fare better as slaves was his point (however ill-conceived). But you've taken it to the next level - now you have him wanting Blacks to suffer under slavery when his point was that he is upset by the state of affairs in the Black community today. You turned his concern for Blacks into a hatred for Blacks. So you are unfair in judging people's intents.


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Lying and muckraking is not only by Democrats, as any true Christian knows its politics and goes on in both camps. Any honest Christian would not contradict that statement.

So Lieberman, based on your ruling - anyone in disagreement with your position is automatically dishonest. That's convenient. There have been Republicans that have lied (recall Nixon) and there are Democrats that lie (recall Clinton). But that isn't what I'm talking about, it is not a lie here and there. It is a culture of ubiquitous lies, lying as a matter of daily policy. The media lies positively (distorting a story for political gain) and lies negatively (dropping or burying a story for political gain). The Democrats go before a Senate committee and lie (or take the Fifth). The Democrats stand before you and lie as a matter of course, daily, bold face lies, complete and utter fabrications. They are easily fact-checked and their lying is exposed - but unless the population is willing to hunt out the truth they'll never know.

The Democrats have long known that they can lie and get away with it, the media has always been there to protect them. Sure, the Conservative blogs and Fox News will expose some of it - but only if you seek out and want to find the truth, and many don't. I'd wager most Americans are programmed to believe whatever Democrats say (within reason) chiefly because the bias to do so has be inculcated in them (unknowingly) through years of public school indoctrination. They don't know how to reason or think - they are told what to think and they have learned to leave the thinking to others.

Yet, I blame the cowardice of Republicans - if they won't stand up for the truth and expose the Left's deceptions, then who will? Sure, you're going to get attacked, people will call you an idiot, a racist, and mock you ... but so what. An HONEST Christian would not let lies go unchecked. You can't change people's minds if they choose to cling to their bias - but at least give the folks the opportunity, that's all that can be done.

john
Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinus alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes!

 


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