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Re: Is Roman Catholicism a Cult or Arminian Sect?
« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2005, 10:49:05 AM »
Lawrence Man,

How can corruptible men be the pillar and ground of the truth?  Just look at the state of the churches today, look even back to that period of time referred to as the "dark age"  These churches lost their way because they strayed from the true pillar and ground of the truth, which is Christ Alone.  When we read the letters of warning to the churches in Revelation, we certainly do not find pillars of truth.  If we had then the warnings would not have been necessary.  We hear words like "repent, return to your first love."  Even in the churches found to labor in love, and those who hate evil, Christ finds fault with.  Some are called a synagogue of Satan.  Would Christ say this if they were the pillar and ground of the truth?  Christ speaks of churches who hold the doctrine of Balaam, and the Nicolaitans, "which thing I hate!" 

It only the church of Philadelphia that receives praise from Christ.  Listen to what Christ says to them:  Rev. 3:11 - Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thous hast, that no man take thy crown.  12a - Him that overcometh will I make (not already is) a pillar in the temple of my God,

No, only the church that removes pride, lust, greed, and coveting, and puts of the whole armour of God will be counted worthy, do you know where this church is to be found?  I would like to attend there!

In Christ Alone, the pillar and ground of All Truth!

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Re: Is Roman Catholicism a Cult or Arminian Sect?
« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2005, 11:01:57 AM »
Doug,

"That's simply your opinion. What is it based upon? Certainly not the teaching of the church down through the ages. Give us more than your word."

If you would take the time to read and study the Bible for yourself then you could quickly see what I base my opinion upon.  If the RCC is as good as you desire it to be, why was it necessary for so many to be martyred trying to reform her?  You would gain much insight if you took the time to study church history, especially the period of the Reformation.


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Re: Is Roman Catholicism a Cult or Arminian Sect?
« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2005, 11:16:33 AM »

That's simply your opinion. What is it based upon? Certainly not the teaching of the church down through the ages. Give us more than your word.


Doug Johnson,

Maybe the Papists will change their opinion...kinda like allowing their faithful to eat meat on Friday.

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Re: Is Roman Catholicism a Cult or Arminian Sect?
« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2005, 09:05:10 PM »
Lawrence Man,

Is it Okay to leave some out?

The Ten Commandments of God
 I am the Lord your God; you shall not have strange gods before me.
 You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
 Remember to keep holy the Lord's day
 Honor your father and your mother.
 You shall not kill.
 You shall not commit adultery.
 You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.
You shall not covet you neighbor's goods.


Here is the list direct from the Catholic site: http://www.catholic.org/clife/prayers/beliefs.php
They are listed about 2/3 the way down the page.

Rev.22:19-19
18  For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19  And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

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Re: Is Roman Catholicism a Cult or Arminian Sect?
« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2005, 05:09:09 PM »
The situation is even worse than we let ourselves believe or understand. 

The issue that grieves me more than anything else is abortion, and the Church of Rome is right with us against it.  (40 some million and counting.  We as a country make the Nazis look like amateurs with their 12 million murdered.)  A good many, if not majority, of the protestant denominations are squishy about it or for it. 

I too believe the Church of Rome is a cult, but we sure need to start getting the Protestant denominations back to the Bible. 
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Re: Is Roman Catholicism a Cult or Arminian Sect?
« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2005, 09:18:34 AM »
Doug,

1 Timothy 15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

This verse does not say the church is the pillar and ground of truth, it says the living God is.




That's simply your opinion. What is it based upon? Certainly not the teaching of the church down through the ages. Give us more than your word.



Matthew Henry says:

1Ti 3:14-16 -
He concludes the chapter with a particular direction to Timothy. He hoped shortly to come to him, to give him further directions and assistance in his work, and to see that Christianity was well planted, and took root well, at Ephesus; he therefore wrote the more briefly to him. But he wrote lest he should tarry long, that Timothy might know how to behave himself in the house of God, how to conduct himself as became an evangelist, and the apostle's substitute. Observe,

I. Those who are employed in the house of God must see to it that they behave themselves well, lest they bring reproach upon the house of God, and that worthy name by which they are called. Ministers ought to behave themselves well, and to look not only to their praying and preaching, but to their behaviour: their office binds them to their good behaviour, for any behaviour will not do in this case. Timothy must know how to behave himself, not only in the particular church where he was now appointed to reside for some time, but being an evangelist, and the apostle's substitute, he must learn how to behave himself in other churches, where he should in like manner be appointed to reside for some time; and therefore it is not the church of Ephesus, but the catholic church, which is here called the house of God, which is the church of the living God. Observe here, 1. God is the living God; he is the fountain of life, he is life in himself, and he gives life, breath, and all things to his creatures; in him we live, and move, and have our being, Act_17:25, Act_17:28. 2. The church is the house of God, he dwells there; the Lord has chosen Zion, to dwell there. “This is my rest, here will I dwell, for I have chosen it;” there may we see God's power and glory, Psa_63:2.

II. It is the great support of the church that it is the church of the living God, the true God in opposition to false gods, dumb and dead idols.
1. As the church of God, it is the pillar and ground of truth; that is, either, (1.) The church itself is the pillar and ground of truth. Not that the authority of the scriptures depends upon that of the church, as the papists pretend, for truth is the pillar and ground of the church; but the church holds forth the scripture and the doctrine of Christ, as the pillar to which a proclamation is affixed holds forth the proclamation. Even to the principalities and powers in heavenly places is made known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, Eph_3:10. (2.) Others understand it of Timothy. He, not he himself only, but he as an evangelist, he and other faithful ministers, are the pillars and ground of truth; it is their business to maintain, hold up, and publish, the truths of Christ in the church. It is said of the apostles that they seemed to be pillars, Gal_2:9. [1.] Let us be diligent and impartial in our own enquiries after truth; let us buy the truth at any rate, and not think much of any pains to discover it. [2.] Let us be careful to keep and preserve it. “Buy the truth, and sell it not (Pro_23:23), do not part with it on any consideration.” [3.] Let us take care to publish it, and to transmit it safe and uncorrupted unto posterity. [4.] When the church ceases to be the pillar and ground of truth, we may and ought to forsake her; for our regard to truth should be greater than our regard to the church; we are no longer obliged to continue in the church than she continues to be the pillar and ground of truth.
2. But what is the truth which the churches and ministers are the pillars and grounds of? He tells us (1Ti_3:16) that without controversy great is the mystery of godliness. The learned Camero joins this with what goes before, and then it runs thus: “The pillar and ground of the truth, and without controversy great is the mystery of godliness.” He supposes this mystery to be the pillar, etc. Observe,
(1.) Christianity is a mystery, a mystery that could not have been found out by reason or the light of nature, and which cannot be comprehended by reason, because it is above reason, though not contrary thereto. It is a mystery, not of philosophy or speculation; but of godliness, designed to promote godliness; and herein it exceeds all the mysteries of the Gentiles. It is also a revealed mystery, not shut up and sealed; and it does not cease to be a mystery because now in part revealed. But,
(2.) What is the mystery of godliness? It is Christ; and here are six things concerning Christ, which make up the mystery of godliness. [1.] That he is God manifest in the flesh: God was manifest in the flesh. This proves that he is God, the eternal Word, that was made flesh and was manifest in the flesh. When God was to be manifested to man he was pleased to manifest himself in the incarnation of his own Son: The Word was made flesh, Joh_1:14. [2.] He is justified in the Spirit. Whereas he was reproached as a sinner, and put to death as a malefactor, he was raised again by the Spirit, and so was justified from all the calumnies with which he was loaded. He was made sin for us, and was delivered for our offences; but, being raised again, he was justified in the Spirit; that is, it was made to appear that his sacrifice was accepted, and so he rose again for our justification, as he was delivered for our offences, Rom_4:25. He was put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit, 1Pe_3:18. [3.] He was seen of angels. They worshipped him (Heb_1:6); they attended his incarnation, his temptation, his agony, his death, his resurrection, his ascension; this is much to his honour, and shows what a mighty interest he had in the upper world, that angels ministered to him, for he is the Lord of angels. [4.] He is preached unto the Gentiles. This is a great part of the mystery of godliness, that Christ was offered to the Gentiles a Redeemer and Saviour; that whereas, before, salvation was of the Jews, the partition-wall was now taken down, and the Gentiles were taken in. I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, Act_13:47. [5.] That he was believed on in the world, so that he was not preached in vain. Many of the Gentiles welcomed the gospel which the Jews rejected. Who would have thought that the world, which lay in wickedness, would believe in the Son of God, would take him to be their Saviour who was himself crucified at Jerusalem? But, notwithstanding all the prejudices they laboured under, he was believed on, etc. [6.] He was received up into glory, in his ascension. This indeed was before he was believed on in the world; but it is put last, because it was the crown of his exaltation, and because it is not only his ascension that is meant, but his sitting at the right hand of God, where he ever lives, making intercession, and has all power, both in heaven and earth, and because, in the apostasy of which he treats in the following chapter, his remaining in heaven would be denied by those who pretend to bring him down on their altars in the consecrated wafers. Observe, First, He who was manifest in flesh was God, really and truly God, God by nature, and not only so by office, for this makes it to be a mystery. Secondly, God was manifest in flesh, real flesh. Forasmuch as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same, Heb_2:14. And, what is more amazing, he was manifest in the flesh after all flesh had corrupted his way, though he himself was holy from the womb. Thirdly, Godliness is a mystery in all its parts and branches, from the beginning to the end, from Christ's incarnation to his ascension. Fourthly, It being a great mystery, we should rather humbly adore it, and piously believe it, than curiously pry into it, or be too positive in our explications of it and determinations about it, further than the holy scriptures have revealed it to us.

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Re: Is Roman Catholicism a Cult or Arminian Sect?
« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2005, 09:21:01 AM »
The situation is even worse than we let ourselves believe or understand. 

The issue that grieves me more than anything else is abortion, and the Church of Rome is right with us against it.  (40 some million and counting.  We as a country make the Nazis look like amateurs with their 12 million murdered.)  A good many, if not majority, of the protestant denominations are squishy about it or for it. 


 We're right with you? Don't flatter yourself. The Roman Catholic Church takes the forefront against abortion. It's the only major Church that does. As you say, Protestant Churches don't stand for anything. That is, anything except elections and politics. Look at your own words. You say "A good many, if not majority, of the protestant denominations are squishy about it or for it". And you are absolutely right. The schism that was created in the church has reared it's ugly head and shown itself for what it is. It's not about the gospel truth and preventing murders, it's about politics and preventing taxes. Yet you want to name call and label us a cult?

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Re: Is Roman Catholicism a Cult or Arminian Sect?
« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2005, 01:46:35 PM »
 
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As you say, Protestant Churches don't stand for anything.

The above quote is NOT what I said.  Read my post again. 

It so happens there are a large number of Protestant churches which DO take a HARD stand against abortion.  For instance the Reformed Presbyterian churches and many others, unfortunately a large number, possibly a majority do not. 

As for the Church of Rome being a cult.
 
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cult  n.  A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false...   

Previous posts have shown where the Church of Rome is WAY off the mark in relation to the teachings of the Bible, the only true measuring stick.  They are so far off the mark that if it cannot be called a cult by the exact defination of the word, by its teaching it certainly can be said that it is NOT a Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. 

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It's not about the gospel truth and preventing murders, it's about politics and preventing taxes.

I would suggest the problems with Protestant churches is just plain poor/faulty understanding and teaching of the Bible.  Any Protestant church I have attended has stayed away from expressing politicial views from the pulpit. 
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Re: Is Roman Catholicism a Cult or Arminian Sect?
« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2005, 09:31:15 PM »
What the RCC Says  ... Why is the Catholic Church so determined to interpret the Scriptures for you?
Catechism #100 The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him.

What God Says
1 John 2:26-27  These things have I written unto you concerning them that deceive you. But the anointing which you have received of him abides in you, and you need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it has taught you, you shall abide in him.


RCC Catechism #966 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death."506 The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:

God Says: Jeremiah 7:18  The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

Note: Mary, appears in God's Word only a handful of times, and is never referred to as a queen of anything:

RCC: Catechism #986 By Christ's will, the Church possesses the power to forgive the sins of the baptized and exercises it through bishops and priests normally in the sacrament of Penance.

God Says: Mark 2:7  Why does this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

The list goes on and on ...



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Re: Is Roman Catholicism a Cult or Arminian Sect?
« Reply #39 on: April 08, 2005, 08:55:16 AM »
'nuff said.


Mark 12:24 "And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?"

John 5:39 "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

John 7:38 "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water."

John 10:35 "unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken"


Acts 17:10 "And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.  These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

Colossians 2:6-8 "As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:   Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.   Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."

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Re: Is Roman Catholicism a Cult or Arminian Sect?
« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2006, 05:07:17 PM »
I'm curious to know the answer to this issue. Catholicism appears to have a "holier" than thou religious approach to teachings of Christ and the Bible. I'm suspicious about this Church's teachings and I certainly don't believe everything that comes out of Rome's mouth which according to its rules...means I'm not a Catholic. For example Rome declared Mary is the Co-Redemptrix and this belief must be followed to remain Catholic. I've balked at believing this and many other things as well. Many things didn't smell right when I thought about much of its teachings. I've been "away" from Church for many years because of my disappointment. But I recently went back to Church, not because I believe what it teaches me...but because I'm trying to assauge my devout parents "worry" about my falling away from the Church.  I've never told them my doubts about much of what I didn't believe in the Catholic teachings. And I never will. And I'm also suspicious about the idea of "confession" to a priest behind a veil. I've always been uncomfortable with this and I still feel "strange" about it.

So...can anybody tell me my suspicions are correct and I'm doing the right thing to "question" the beliefs of the Catholic faith? And would I be condemned to go to Hell if I continue to disbelieve what this Church has taught me to believe?

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Re: Is Roman Catholicism a Cult or Arminian Sect?
« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2012, 09:01:01 PM »
Althought Catholism has infected modern Protestantism with its Jesuitical Arminian Gospel, do not think that the Reformed Church will EVER be exstinct.  As long as there is life on this earth, the TRUE church of the Lord will remain.

The true Church will never be extinct, but the true Church is "NOT" the Reformed Church. Don't get me wrong, many Reformed Churches are the true Church, but many are not. I don't think we should mistake Reformed for meaning true Church. They are two different things. Some Reformed Churches are blatantly unbiblical.

Point two, I don't think Catholism has infected modern Protestantism with its  Arminian Gospel, I think Protestantism created its own brand of Arminian simply because it wills it. We don't need to blame  Catholism for everything, they have enough legitimate blame. The Free will Churches I know want nothing to do with Catholism, and they didn't mimic their works gospels, they formulated their own.

Point three, is Roman Catholism a cult? Of course it is. It is the very definition of Cult. Faddish and irrational devotion to one human leader. That's good enough alone to qualify them for cult status. Not to mention veneration of the woman Mary and the rest of the cult activities.


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Catholism is pagan and evil to the core, and the proof is there for anyone who wants to look for it.

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 Catholism "is" pagan in that it is not Christian, but more importantly it is insidious, seductive and treacherous. Because you have Christians (even in this forum) insisting it is still Christian, insisting they are saved also, insisting we're all brethren and we should join to bring them to truth. And that makes it worse than the heathen and a lot more dangerous.

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Re: Is Roman Catholicism a Cult or Arminian Sect?
« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2012, 06:45:23 AM »
A Cult is a Cult
Dave Hunt (Reaching Catholics For Christ)


The evangelical church today is being seduced as never in its history. It faces a danger so grave that, although we have discussed this problem before, it must be addressed again with new insight and vigor. If evangelicals succumb to the seduction, as they increasingly are doing, then their gospel witness will be submerged in confusion and could eventually be lost—a tragic and new dimension to the apostasy from which the church and the world will never recover. Most astonishing and alarming is the fact that (with few exceptions) evangelical leaders and even the major cult watchers refuse to acknowledge this threat. We are therefore compelled to address the subject once again with renewed concern.

For decades evangelicals have diligently and faithfully attempted to identify, analyze and warn the church against cults. Included in the standard list are Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, Unity School of Christianity, Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church, etc. Yet the most seductive, dangerous and largest cult (many times larger than all of the rest combined) is not included in the list! Most cult experts refuse to identify this horrendous cult as such! Instead, they accept it as "Christian."

Worst of all, this cult (which preaches a false gospel that is sending hundreds of millions into a Christless eternity) is now embraced as a partner in "evangelizing the world" by many groups which preach the biblical gospel. Major denominations, such as the Anglican and the Episcopalian church, are involved in merger talks with this cult. The Assemblies of God hierarchy has been engaged in "fruitful dialogue" with this cult, whose members are now widely perceived as born-again Christians. As a consequence, the evangelical church faces an unprecedented crisis that threatens its very survival.

The above is a severe, solemn and devastating charge to make—a charge we have documented in the past and in support of which additional evidence will now be given. I challenge any church leader to public debate who declares that this assertion is false. If proven wrong, I will publicly repent. But if this accusation is true, then a major shake-up in the evangelical church is required, including repentance
by many of its most highly regarded leaders. I solicit your help in providing church leaders with the facts they need to identify this cult—facts of which I myself was ignorant years ago when I, too, failed to identify the Roman Catholic Church as the cult it is.

What is a "cult?" In his book, Rise of the Cults, Walter Martin defined cultism as "...any major deviation from orthodox Christianity relative to the cardinal doctrines of the Christian faith." Though unmentioned by Martin, Roman Catholicism is undeniably a "major deviation from orthodox Christianity" on many "cardinal doctrines of the Christian faith," and thus, by his own definition, a cult. Recognition of this fact ignited the Reformation! To deny that Roman Catholicism is a cult is to repudiate the Reformation and mock the millions of martyrs who died at Rome's hands, as though they gave their lives in vain.

But, says someone, since the Second Vatican Council (1962-65), the Roman Catholic Church no longer teaches and practices what it did at the time of the Reformation. That popular idea is false. To counter the Reformation, Rome's foremost theologians met from 1545-63 in the Council of Trent. Its Canons and Decrees, which rejected every Reformation doctrine, remain the standard authoritative statement of Roman Catholicism, and adherence thereto is required by Catholic catechisms. Opening Vatican II, Pope John XXIII declared, "I do accept entirely all that has been decided and declared at the Council of Trent." Vatican II went on to reaffirm Trent's Canons and Decrees. No, Rome has not changed since the Reformation—except superficially.

Were Luther, Calvin and the other Reformers alive today, they would denounce Roman Catholicism as the largest and most dangerous cult on earth! Yet the Christian Research Institute (and other countercult groups) refuse to classify it as a cult. In the above book Martin emphasized that the five major cults at that time had "a following exceeding 8.5 million persons...." Yet he overlooked Roman Catholicism's hundreds of millions!

Answers to Cultists at Your Door presents another example. Its authors, Bob and Gretchen Passantino, are described as "experts in cult research [who] have spent years in countercult ministry" (outside back cover of Witch Hunt). They include such marks of a cult as the claim that it "is the only organization on earth
that is following God's will" and that its leader is "uniquely chosen by God to lead God's people" and that it alone "offer the Bible's `true' interpretation on all matters."Again, the Roman Catholic Church fully fits all of the criteria. It claims to be the only true church; that its pope is uniquely chosen to lead all of God's people; and that only its hierarchy can interpret scripture. Yet the Passantinos, like most other "cult experts," fail to include Roman Catholicism as a cult, though it meets all their own tests!

Mormons must blindly obey Joseph Smith and his successors; JWs dare not question The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society; other cultists must submit to their leaders. Such authoritarianism is the primary mark of a cult. The same blind submission is required of all Catholics. Canon 212 of Catholicism's Code of Canon Law requires that Catholics must give absolute obedience to their "sacred pastors." Vatican II states repeatedly that only Catholicism's hierarchy can interpret the Bible and that papal pronouncements must be obeyed without question. Canon 333 (Sec. 3) declares, "There is neither appeal nor recourse against a decision or decree of the Roman Pontiff." Vatican watchdog Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger's recent 7,500-word "Instruction" declares that dissent about church teachings cannot be "justified as a matter of following one's conscience." No cult demands surrender of mind and conscience more fully or arrogantly than Roman Catholicism.

Roman Catholicism is not only left out of the list of cults by the experts, but it is explicitly approved. For example, in Scripture Twisting, James W. Sire, longtime editor-in-chief of InterVarsity Press, defines a cult as having "doctrines and/or practices that contradict those of the Scriptures as interpreted by traditional Christianity as represented by the major Catholic and Protestant denominations...." (emphasis his) Sire makes Catholicism a standard of orthodoxy against which cults are to be judged! Yet he accuses the cults of twisting Scripture, a technique of which Rome is surely the ultimate master! Sire indicts Mormonism as a cult for adding other revelations to the Bible—but Rome has added far more new revelations to the Bible than the Mormon Church! Sire declares, "There is no guru class in biblical Christianity, no illuminati, no people through whom all proper interpretation must come"—yet that is exactly the situation in the Roman Catholic Church! How, then, does he make it the standard of orthodoxy?!

Consider also The Agony of Deceit published by Moody. Each chapter is written by a leading evangelical about a specific false teaching within today's church. While Agony mostly repeats much that was found in Seduction of Christianity five years earlier, it is another voice issuing many of the same warnings, for which we are thankful. Yet it, too, whitewashes Roman Catholicism. On page 65 it states, "Traditional Roman Catholicism...hold to biblical inerrancy." In fact, Catholicism explicitly denies iblical inerrancy! The next sentence does acknowledge that the "messages [of Protestantism and Catholicism] are poles apart," but moves right on without identifying the vital differences.

Page 111 declares, "The Catholic church resisted the mounting heresies with regard to the Person of Christ, and...Protestants would continue to affirm Catholic Christology." Again, terribly false! Catholicism's Christology is heretical. It denies Christ's exclusive role as mediator between God and man, making Mary "co-mediatrix"; it denies the exclusivity of His redemptive work, making Mary "co-redemptrix" (Vatican II credits Mary with a perpetual "salvific role; she continues to obtain by her constant intercession the graces we need for eternal salvation"); and it denies the sufficiency of His redemptive work, declaring that the redeemed must, in addition to Christ's suffering for them upon the cross, suffer for their own sins here and/or in purgatory, etc. A great deal more heresy is involved in Catholic Christology, such as presenting Him as perpetually an infant or child subject to His mother, perpetually on the cross, but lack of space prevents further detail. The "Christ" of Roman Catholicism is just as false as its "Mary"—as much "another Jesus" as that of Mormonism or any other cult. Let's admit it!

Several times in Agony it is stated that Protestants and Catholics embrace the same apostolic creeds. This is a partially true but seriously misleading statement. The implication is that the creeds are an all-encompassing statement of biblical Christianity, which they are not. Furthermore, there is a vast difference between the meaning Catholics and Protestants attach to what the creeds say. For example, while affirming that Christ "suffered under
Pontius Pilate," Catholicism teaches that His suffering was insufficient. In addition to Christ's suffering, we must each suffer for our sins in order to be saved. We can even suffer for the salvation of others. (The Apostolic Constitution of Jan. 1, 1967, Indulgentarium Doctrina, #1687, urges Catholics to carry "each one his own cross in expiation of their sins and of the sins of others...assist[ing] their brothers to obtain salvation from God"). This is rank heresy to Protestants. Yet Agony implies that Catholics mean the same thing as Protestants by the creeds—an inexcusable and deadly error in a book by eminent Christian scholars written to point out errors within the church! Though this and the other books cited above contain much that commends them, their approval of Catholicism is tragically misleading.

The false portrait of Roman Catholicism persists in Agony. On page 244, after correctly condemning the sale of indulgences which led Martin Luther to nail his 95 theses to the chapel door at Wittenberg's castle, the editor/compiler of Agony, Michael Horton, writes, "It would not be fair, of course, to interpret the entire history and character of Roman Catholicism by this tragic fund-raising scheme...." The implication is that Rome has changed for the better, which is false. Though not sold as blatantly now, indulgences are still an important part of Catholicism's salvation.

The deviation by Catholicism from biblical Christianity goes to the heart of the faith, to salvation itself, and thus affects the eternal destiny of those who are deceived thereby. Roman Catholicism rejects salvation by faith and preaches a false gospel of works that cannot save. Salvation is not in Christ but in the Church through submission to its edicts and sacraments. The Basic Catechism of Christian Doctrine calls the sacraments "the chief means of our salvation."

The first of the seven sacraments is baptism, which is performed upon 98 percent of Catholics as infants. It is declared in Canon 849 to be the means "by which men and women are freed from their sins, are reborn as children of God...." The Basic Catechism declares that baptism "is necessary for salvation ...cleanses us from original sin, makes us Christians...." Another sacrament is the Mass, which the Catechism declares to be "one and the same Sacrifice with that of the Cross, inasmuch as Christ...continues to offer himself...on the altar, through the
ministry of his priests." Canon 904 states that "the work of redemption is continually accomplished in the mystery of the Eucharistic Sacrifice," thus denying Christ's triumphant "It is finished!"

Let me remind you of Hugh Latimer's last words, spoken through the flames to his companion who was bound to the same stake "Be of good courage, master Ridley...for we shall by God's grace this day light such a `candle' in England as I pray shall never go out!" Tragically, the "candle" lit by hundreds of thousands of faithful martyrs burned at the stake, if not already out, is barely flickering and in danger of being snuffed completely. Paul Crouch, head of the largest Christian TV worldwide network, demeans the martyrs by calling the issues they died for mere semantics; and he makes a mockery of the Reformers by declaring orthodox the heresies that sparked the Reformation.

Those who believe Rome's lies and follow her gospel of works for salvation are lost. Failing to recognize this fact, many evangelical leaders and cult experts have themselves been deceived by Rome and need to be confronted and informed. How tragic to assume that Catholics are Christians who merely have some peripheral beliefs and practices which seem peculiar to Protestants but which will not prevent them from being saved. A false gospel is a false gospel, and it damns those who believe it, whether preached by Mormonism or Catholicism. A cult is a cult. Roman Catholics, like the members of other cults, need to be treated with compassion, warned of cultic lies, and presented with the true gospel which alone can save them.

If you are concerned about the growing cooperation between Catholic organizations and major evangelical ministries such as InterVarsity, Campus Crusade For Christ, Youth With A Mission, the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, Chuck Colson's Prison Fellowship, Paul Crouch's TBN, Pat Robertson's CBN, etc., please write to them and ask where they stand on this critical issue.

The questions could be 1) What is your organization's position regarding Catholic doctrines? 2) What is your position regarding organizational participation with Catholics in matters of world evangelization? 3) Are you presently either officially or unofficially involved with any Catholic lay or clerical groups or organizations? If so, on what basis...and to what end?


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Re: Is Roman Catholicism a Cult or Arminian Sect?
« Reply #43 on: June 11, 2013, 04:27:26 PM »
The true Church will never be extinct, but the true Church is "NOT" the Reformed Church. Don't get me wrong, many Reformed Churches are the true Church, but many are not. I don't think we should mistake Reformed for meaning true Church. They are two different things. Some Reformed Churches are blatantly unbiblical.

Point two, I don't think Catholism has infected modern Protestantism with its  Arminian Gospel, I think Protestantism created its own brand of Arminian simply because it wills it. We don't need to blame  Catholicism for everything

 The Free will Churches I know want nothing to do with Catholism, and they didn't mimic their works gospels, they formulated their own.


Thank you Melanie at least for that honesty. Because most Reformed Christians want to blame Catholics for everything from being the whore Babylon to Genocide to Obamacare. At least you allow Protestant to take responsibility for their own doctrines, rather than go for the praise of blaming others.

So even though I disagree that Roman Catholicism is in any way a cult, and add that we are proud of our doctrines, I commend you for not jumping in step with the Reformed Crowd to blame others for their own sins.

But you need to be less judgmental also.

 

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Re: Is Roman Catholicism a Cult or Arminian Sect?
« Reply #44 on: September 29, 2014, 02:23:51 PM »
Roman Catholic Church (RCC) very often tries to eliminate and defame every person who expose RCC's pagan roots and that its origin is in pagan religions, not in the teaching of the Bible. In the matter of fact, RCC has mixed up Biblical and pagan doctrines. This combination makes from its anti-Christian sect and cult, which doesn't represent Biblical Christianity. RCC has systematically tried to distort evidence that shows clearly wrong doctrines of the RCC and its undisputed connections to paganism. See yourself clear connection of paganism to Catholicism. The site contains also pictorial material:

http://www.kotipetripaavola.com/catholicchurchbabylonianpaganroots.html

 
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