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Eschatology / Re: When Should A Christian Leave A Church?
« Last post by James Heckman on Today at 04:39:43 PM »
I think it's good, because Christians should be stable. Not given to whims or flights of fancy.
Eschatology / Re: When Should A Christian Leave A Church?
« Last post by Larry on Today at 01:14:25 PM »
OK, I read C. S. Lewis, Screwtape Letters, chapter XVI and in it he implies looking for a better church is wrong for the Christian to do. He calls it church shopping, and equates it to the devil's working.


Screwtape says that if Wormwood canít get a certain Christian to skip church altogether, the next best thing is to get him to church shop/hop, in a cynical and critical way, never opening up to receiving nourishment from preaching. What do you say about that?
I agree Apostolic. Walk a mile in their shoes before you start judging. The only lesson in evil is that it is  not of God and suffering is bad for anyone.

Isaiah 45:7
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
I Peter 3:13-14
"And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good? But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;"

Betty, why is it that you are almost always on the wrong side of God's word?
Eschatology / Re: The False Doctrine of Dispensationalism
« Last post by Laura Tomlinson on Today at 09:10:45 AM »
I don't know that he would since I can't speak for him. But I know that "I" would equate what Christ is saying about the Pharisees and the Sadducees to Dispensationalists. Namely, "beware of their doctrines" which are worldly, disingenuous, corrupt and duplicitous.

I couldn't agree more, and would also add "dangerous."

Matt. 16:11
"How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?"

It's like us saying  "How is it that ye do not understand that Christ spoke not to you concerning bread, but beware of the doctrines," and Premillennialists responding, "you have to take it literally as bread because the people of that day would have understood it as bread." That's dangerous because it teaches not to look at Christ's words as spiritual and truth as the Lord intended.

Dispensational theologians use popular and political speeches about worldly things to lead the gullible astray, and all with the appearance of piousness, great sincerity and regard for taking the Bible literally. They feign love for the truth, while rejecting it out of hand, just as the Scribes, Priests, Pharisees and the Sadducees did. They are equated with them because these are those who "by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple" while giving the impression of being orthodox ministers of righteousness. ...just as the Pharisees and the Sadducees. But the truth is, neither had the Spirit of truth or sound doctrine concerning the kingdom of Christ.

So, He that hath an ear, let him hear.

  )amen(  And I think that was the point. Making the kingdom of Christ literally earthly, rather than the spiritual kingdom that Christ preached. It's a false kingdom, a false Christ ruling there, and a false people he rules over.

John 18:35-36
"Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done? Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."

The Pharisees and Dispensationalists would reply, wrong, Christ's kingdom must be of this world because you have to take it literally. That's dangerous.

If so, that is uncalled for.
Of I don't know, I think testifying against bad leaven in God's congregation is always called for. While it is true that in our day it has become a lost art, we were charged to be diligent against such leaven. Why do you think Christ warns His followers to "Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees" in the first instance? Was it because He wanted them to ignore it, condone it and welcome it, or was it because He wanted them to mark and be wary of it? He who hath an ear, let him hear.

He wanted us to recognize it and separate ourselves from such doctrine, not condemn and be offended by the faithful who warn against the dangers of it. Thank God that you are one of the faithful who will stand up against this doctrine as non-Christian, rather than capitulate to the modern philosophy of welcoming division as an old friend.
Eschatology / Re: The Growing Apostasy in the Church
« Last post by Herman Stowe on Yesterday at 09:54:09 PM »
If you think there is no growing apostasy in the church, you're not only wrong, but probably a big part of the reason for it. It's those who cannot see it that are mostly responsible for it. They are blind to what is improper and graceless.
Miscellaneous Topics / Re: International Political and National Disgrace!
« Last post by Philly Dawg on August 15, 2018, 11:30:48 PM »
A Fascist President Makes a Fascist Move

It is so sad that America is headed for a hard and fast fall into a Russian-like fascist dictatorship, if it isn't already in one. My only question is, where are all the Republican Senators and Representatives who are supposed to be the checks and balances to mitigate the dangers of a dictatorial centralized power? hese spinless politicians are just as guilty as Comrade Trumpski of selling this Republic out. Shame on the whole cowardly and pathetic bunch of them.
Eschatology / Re: The Growing Apostasy in the Church
« Last post by George on August 14, 2018, 08:13:31 PM »
You are wrong my friend. I am right.
Eschatology / Re: The Growing Apostasy in the Church
« Last post by billnjune on August 14, 2018, 12:50:21 PM »
George, Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

If you are going to follow the popularity of a doctrine then you can be assured that you are deceived.  Following the Bible alone is your only hope!


Eschatology / Re: Ram with Two Horns of Daniel 8
« Last post by Erik Diamond on August 14, 2018, 12:21:58 PM »
To me, it does not make sense that the second horn of the Ram represented Christ's ministry for only few years before being cut off as the Goat break His horn.
Eschatology / Re: Ram with Two Horns of Daniel 8
« Last post by Frank Mortimer on August 14, 2018, 11:58:19 AM »
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